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* Head over to [[Cartoon Brew (Blog)|Cartoon Brew]] and try to post a nice, mature, rational argument that motion capture technology is a valid form of animation when used well. We'll be behind you with the marshmallows...
** Actually, just post anything (in a polite or not combative tone) about the industry that Amid personally disagrees with. Before you even get flamed, you'll more than likely just be deleted, IP banned and deactivated from the blog, and then mysteriously gain your posting privileges back 2 weeks later.
** Heck, motion capture is a picnic compared to what happens if you even casually mention anything remotely connected to the question of whether cartoons should have scripts or storyboards, and whether non-artists should write for animation. From there it quickly devolves into a battle over [[Ren and Stimpy|John Kricfalusi]], who's a very vocal advocate of storyboards, and who attracts very rabid [[Fan Boy|fanboys]] and an avid [[Hatedom]], the latter resulting from some of his [[Small Name, Big Ego]] qualities.
* Add ''[[Family Guy (Animation)|Family Guy]]'' to this. ''Family Guy'' has become a good source of heated debate there for a while, only to come to a head in this [http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/family-guy-goes-disney.html# commentsrecent blog post], with 105 replies and counting. Jerry Beck himself is a self-admitted hater of the show. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oekDrOQGnYY This person] believes that ''[[Family Guy]]'' should be canceled off the air for [[Dead Baby Comedy|repeating pop-culture reference gags]], and he even bashes Seth for [[Only in It For Thethe Money|making cartoons just for cash over entertainment]].
** Say you like "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven". They'll treat you the same way as Brian.
* After watching ''[[Avatar (Filmfilm)|Avatar]]'', Jerry Beck has said the following: "It turns out I don't hate mo-cap after all. I just hate [[Robert Zemeckis]] and all his lousy animated films."
* Whether or not the animated ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'' is part of the [[DCAU]]. Really. Also whether or not Robin in this series is Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake or "just Robin."
** It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to debate Robin's identity though -- [[Word of God|it's confirmed]] he's Dick Grayson. Not that it stops them. This might be because the producer said he's not meant to be any one Robin, while one of the writers stated he was Dick Grayson.
** Speaking of ''Teen Titans'', mention the very last episode of the series, and watch as the [[Shipping|Shippers]] tear themselves into pieces.
** The fact that Nightwing already existed in the DCAU at the same time that Teen Titans was going on should be evidence that the two are separate Dick Graysons, but still, the flaming continues.
* While some prefer to compromise between the two, "Is Azula a [[Magnificent Bastard]] who deserved [[A Fate Worse Than Death]], or is she [[The Woobie]] who deserves a hug from her mommy?" will still start [[World War III]] at most ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' forums.
** The reason this is such a problem is because, [[Your Mileage May Vary|in some people's eyes]], the show didn't actually explain why Azula is as nuts as she is. Zuko's backstory got tons of screen time, but Azula's didn't get nearly as much. Some fans argue that subtle buildup was there all along while others say her breakdown was still too sudden.
** Also: energybending.
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** Another option is start a war between Fight For Five and Fight Against Five (people who want/don't want a 5th season for the show).
** Kim's rival [[Alpha Bitch|Bonnie]]: Does her [[Freudian Excuse|crappy home life]] give her a good reason to belittle Kim and Ron at school? Some say yes and view Bonnie as a sympathetic character (and even an [[Anti-Hero]]), others say no, claiming that a [[Freudian Excuse]] for the [[Alpha Bitch]] is the most [[Warped Aesop]] in children's programming. Arguments between these groups are almost as fierce as the ship wars. Oh, and speaking of ship wars, Kim/Bonnie and Ron/Bonnie tend to be fairly popular couples amongst the fanbase, so rivalries with Kim/Ron and Kigo come into play quite often. Kim/Bonnie and RonBon are so popular in fact that fanfiction of canon pairing [[Pair the Spares|Junior/Bonnie]] is practically nonexistent.
* Simply say that ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'', ''[[The Boondocks]]'', ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]'', or ''[[Code Lyoko]]'' are anime. If you want to commit suicide in a ''really'' painful way, say ''[[Winx Club]]'' is an anime, or even compare it to ''[[Sailor Moon]]''.
** Which is always hilarious when one takes into account that Japanese refer to all hand-drawn or computer animation as "anime" (here's a hint, [[Captain Obvious|the term is a shortened form of the term animation]]), so if shown there all those shows (and every other western animation) will be called anime anyway by a Japanese viewer.
*** Calling them [[Critical Research Failure|"an anime from Japan"]] is more likely to get you laughed off the forum, however. Unless you are an actor cast in a live-action adaptation, that is, in which case the laughter will be mixed with cries for you to either learn more or be fired.
* What happened in the ''[[Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (Animationanimation)|Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers]]'' fandom on St. Valentine's Day 1998 fits the description on top of this page perfectly. A new member stepped into [http://www.theacorncafe.org/ the Acorn Cafe] which was only six days old back then, posted special Valentine's Day greetings for Chip and Gadget, and launched [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|the biggest flamewar in the fandom's history]] between the "pro" and "anti" Chip/Gadget factions, also known as Ranger War II or St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
* Go to an ''[[Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy]]'' forum, and say you hate one of the three titular Eds. Oh boy...
** "What's under Edd's ha..... aagh, the flames! THEY BUUUURRRRNNNN!"
** Is Plank real or not? {{spoiler|[[Word of God|Danny Antonucci confirmed that he's just a plank.]] If that's the case, how did he drive that bus and tell Johnny about the kitchen or to special order that lobster?}}]
** Justifying Kevin's actions has became somewhat touchy. If you claim that Kevin's either the kid who keeps the Eds in line for a good cause or the scourge of the earth, except some flames from both sides on the subject.
* Say you like ''[[Out of Jimmys Head]]'', ''[[My Gym PartnersPartner's a Monkey]]'', or ''[[Squirrel Boy]]''.
* Another flamestarter: [[Sixteen|Fresh]] [[Total Drama Island (Animation)|Tv]] [[Stoked|Cartoons]]. Good, because their more mature humor means that CN is finally starting to realize its [[Periphery Demographic]], or Bad because the realization of said demographic may or may not have inspired CN Real.
** Bringing up CN in general will start up heated wars over which era of CN was best (typically between 90s era vs. 2000s vs [[The New Tens]]) [[Broken Base|And it]] [[Unpleasable Fanbase|may never get resolved.]]
* Go to...well, pretty much nearly ANYWHERE on the Internet and say something that's even just slightly negative about [[Pixar]]. Even if you make just the ''tiniest'' criticism of one of their films, the [[Fan Nickname|Pixtards]] will be all over you.
** On that note, go to ANYWHERE on the Internet mentioning ''[[Cars]] 2'' and there will be at least one person whining about ''[[The Incredibles]]'' not getting a sequel.
** The furor surrounding ''[[Cars]] 2'' has likewise kicked up a lot of argument. For every person complaining that Pixar squandered their reputation for an easy buck, there's another defending the film, saying that Pixar is being held to unfairly high standards and not every film has to have the [[Tear Jerker|big emotional moments]] (a hallmark of Pixar movies) in order to be good. Fanning the flames further was the rumor of a ''[[Toy Story]] 4''.
** Did you ever hear the story of the ''[[WALL-E]]'' fan who [[Ban Onon Politics|rather naively tried to start a mature and sensible debate on the enviromental and anti-consumerism messages]]? [[Foregone Conclusion|The poor soul was doomed from the start]].
** All of the above pale in comparison to the flames generated by one question: [[Unfortunate Implications|Is Pixar sexist?]] This has grown even worse with the announcement (now retracted) that Disney Animation Studios (headed by [[Pixar Regulars|John Lassetar]]) would no longer be making fairy tale movies to focus more on [[Most Writers Are Male|appealing to boys]] and the firing of Brenda Chapman from ''[[Brave (Animation)|Brave]]''.
*** And now that the trailer for Brave is out, there's been a lot of complaining that the movie just looks like a mashup of ''[[Mulan]]'', ''[[How to Train Your Dragon]]'', and ''[[Tangled]]''.
* Mention you like [[Dream WorksDreamWorks]] more than you like [[Pixar]]. Apparently, according to some fans, this is a form of blasphemy and the only treatment is a massive flame attack against the unfortunate [[Dream WorksDreamWorks]] fan.
** Now that [[Dream WorksDreamWorks]] has started releasing fairly critically successful films, this has died down to the point where some ''[[Dream WorksDreamWorks]]'' fans will bash [[Pixar]] for being overrated and drawing attention away from [[Dream WorksDreamWorks]]'s movies (such as how the extremely well received [[How to Train Your Dragon]] was soon overshadowed by the [[Toy Story 3]] juggernaut). Some have even gone as to claim that [[Megamind]] would have been better received had Pixar released it.
* Go to the [[Happy Tree Friends]] social network board and bring up shipping. The flames will be visible from space. Such choice pairings include Flippy x Flakey, Flippy x Giggles, Giggles x Cuddles and Shifty x Lifty [[Twincest]]... Also good (if not better) is claiming that Flakey is either a boy or a girl, and to a lesser extent whether it is spelled F-L-A-K-E-Y or F-L-A-K-Y, since Mondo Media changed their minds about that, too.
** Even better, say it's a ripoff of [[Retarded Animal Babies]] and if that hasn't [[Berserk Button|pushed enough]], say it's better, give a gratuitously huge laundry list of reasons why.
* Go near a [[Ben 10 (Animation)|Ben]]/Gwen fansite and casually talk about how [[Kissing Cousins]] could ever appear in the show outside of [[Subtext]]. Run as far and as fast as you can.
** Judging from the reactions people on this site have to it, go to a Ben10 fansite and say that you believe that [[Ben 10: Alien Force (Animation)|Alien Force]] is a good follow-up to the original show, and agree with all the retconned changes. In fact, just admitting that you like [[Ben 10: Alien Force (Animation)|Alien Force]] might start a flamewar between the original fans and [[Ben 10: Alien Force (Animation)|Alien Force]] fans.
* ''[[The Fairly Odd Parents]]'': Who is Tommy and Tammy's mother? Don't ask. [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|Really]]. ''[[Ship-to-Ship Combat|Don't]]''.
** For that matter, bringing up any of Timmy's love interests will likely start fires. The show's fanbase is pretty unstable right now, [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|for]] [[Ship Sinking|various different]] [[Base Breaker|reasons]].
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** Made [[Up to Eleven|even worse]] with an episode revealing that [[Girl of the Week|Johnny]] is now [[Ms. Fanservice|Vanessa]]'s [[Official Couple|boyfriend]].
** And now another upcoming episode has them {{spoiler|breaking up...}}
** While we're on the subject of ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'', say that [[SpongebobSpongeBob SquarePants]] is better than it around the fans. [[Shmuck Bait|Go ahead, try it]].
*** For that matter, [[Fandom Rivalry|avoid putting those two shows in the same discussion]] ''period''.
* If you were a ''[[Total Drama]]'' fan during the special and the second season, you got flamed to oblivion if you were on Team Courtney ''or'' on Team Harold, depending where you go.
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** Say you like [[Creator's Pet|Owen]] or [[The Scrappy|Sierra]] and that the former doesn't really get too much screentime. Go ahead, do it.
** Alternatively, say that you don't like [[Breakout Character|Cody]] or that he didn't deserve to win ''World Tour''.
* Even before it began, the ''[[Young Justice (Animationanimation)|Young Justice]]'' cartoon was already undergoing this. It's not an adaptation of the [[Young Justice (Comic Bookcomics)|comic of the same name]], but it has led to people either trying to defend how appropriate the title is despite it not being an adaptation or criticizing using the title because it isn't one. The presence of Dick Grayson and Wally West instead of Tim Drake and Bart Allen has also invoked this.
** Their version of [[The Joker]]. Either you thought it was an interesting interpretation, or he was the worst thing ever. Be prepared for comparisons to the [[Batman: theThe Animated Series|Mark Hamill]], [[Batman: Under the Red Hood|John Dimaggio]], and [[The Dark Knight Trilogy|Heath Ledger]] versions of the character..
** The second season has just begun, and fans are already arguing about the [[Time Skip]]. You either think it's unnecessary and [[What Happened to Thethe Mouse?|ignores several established characters]] [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot|and plotlines]], or that it paves the way for new characters to shine. And don't even get fans started on [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|the fact that Superboy and Miss Martian have broken up and the latter is now with Lagoon Boy]].
* [[FostersFoster's Home for Imaginary Friends]]: Regardless of which forum you go to, it is usually best not to bring up with the fans any of the following: liking Goofball, promoting Mac x Frankie, general dislike against Frankie, Mac, Wilt, or any fan favorite character, saying you like Cheese, and thinking the post season 3 episodes weren't as good as the earlier ones. You have been warned.
** If I may add, it's probably best not to bring up pairings such as Herriman x Frankie or Wilt x Frankie. The debates can get... heated to say the least.
* The [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]] episodes penned by Dave Polsky, "Feeling Pinkie Keen" and "Over a Barrel", have sparked a more than a few arguments, detractors claiming that the former is a direct attack against skepticism, and that the latter is a trivialization (or, in the most extreme arguments, ''glorification'') of the oppression towards Native Americans in the early '90s.
** "Feeling Pinkie Keen" is ''so'' prone to this that a [[Flame War|"Debate"]] on its message occured in a forum thread ''that was criticizing a completely separate episode''.
** The simple mention of this show can incite this from [[Hype Aversion|those trying to avoid it]].
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** Is Pinkamina cuter/deeper/something better than regular Pinkie? And no, 'I like all elements of her character' is not an accepted answer in these conflicts.
** ''Cupcakes.'' Just don't bring it up.
** Derpy-- funny or offensive? Appreciated fandom nod or mindless [[Pandering to Thethe Base]]? It's best not to even touch this one at the moment; it's already caused countless wars of words over [[Tumblr]] and other forms of social media.
*** Now that they've edited out everything "offensive" about Derpy in "The Last Roundup", including her name, at least one known [[Moral Guardian]] who complained about her [http://yamino.deviantart.com/ is getting screamed at]. Despite the fact that this particular [[Moral Guardian]] actually had nothing to do with it, according to one of the producers.
** Bronies: oppressed fans who can't openly celebrate their fandom in public without being mocked, or rightfully vilified basketcases with with an almost unhealthy obsession with a children's cartoon? Say any of these, and RUN.
* Say you hate ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' or ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures (Animation)|Tiny Toon Adventures]]''. RUN. RUN FAST. RUN FAR.
** Say you like ''[[Loonatics Unleashed (Animation)|Loonatics Unleashed]]'' or ''[[Baby Looney Tunes]]''.
** ''[[Space Jam]]'' or ''[[Looney Tunes: Back in Action]]''? Discussions on which film is better or worse, are rarely progressive.
*** Or likewise claim in the slightest that ''[[Animaniacs (Animation)|Animaniacs]]'' put too much emphasis on talky dialogue banter and talking heads than on visual humor. And God help you if you even mention that you think ''[[Ren and Stimpy]]'' was closer to the spirit of golden age animation than it.
*** Say you prefer ''[[Pinky Elmyra and The Brain]]'' over ''[[Pinky and The Brain]]''... or that you like ''[[Pinky Elmyra and The Brain]]'' in general... or [[The Scrappy|Elmyra]].
* CGI vs. 2D Animation. Bonus points if you blame [[Pixar]] for killing the latter.
* Go to any ''[[Transformers]]'' forum and try to comment that [[Transformers Generation 1|Season 1/2 was better than Season 3]] (or the other way around). Alternatively, try to say ''[[Beast Wars (Animation)|Beast Wars]]'' was the best thing in the entire franchise (for extra fuel for the fire, lump Beast Machines in there too).
** While you're at it, claim that G1 was not the diamond-encrusted gold-plated cartoon that some (extreme) fans make it out to be. Lump a little bit of "I like [[Transformers Animated|TFA]]/[[Transformers Prime|TFP]]/series of choice instead". Prepare for the intense rage of a thousand supernovas.
** On the subject of ''[[Transformers Prime]]''- mention [[The Scrappy|Miko]] [[Genki Girl|Nakadai]]. Say you like her. Say you hate her. Mention her ambiguous accent. Roast a steak in the ensuing heat.
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*** Even more worse, ''say you like the animation style''.
* Before being brutally beaten, saying (even politely) that you didn't see anything pointing to [[One True Pairing|Martin/Aviva]] would get you told to keep your mouth shut. These days, go to any [[Wild Kratts]] discussion and tell Anti-Maviva supporters they don't have the right to speak, especially since the shipping war has died down. I'll wait here for your ashes so I can give them to your family.
* ''[[SpongebobSpongeBob SquarePants]]''
** If you're suicidal, just say you like "One Coarse Meal" or "A Pal For Gary" for a quick and painless death.
** Say that Casey Alexander and Zeus Cervas write the best episodes.
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** Say you like Peggy or Lucky.
** Say you like "What Makes Bobby Run".
* ''[[Codename: Kids Next Door]]'':
** Say you ship Numbuh 1 and [[The Scrappy|Lizzie]].
*** Or that you ''don't'' ship Numbuhs 3 and 4.