Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

*** Also note that Hades didn't do anything particularly evil (at least not in Terra's story). No kidnapping princesses, no helping Xehanort or Vanitas. He didn't even try to go after Hercules this time. The worst he ever did was mind-control Zack, but that was probably only meant to test whether Terra would start channeling the darkness under pressure, not as part of some big plan.

** Dr.Jumba -- Jumba only said that Stitch was made for evil purposes when they got to Stitch's cell.

*** Normally people aren't thrown in prison for no reason, true. Then again, Terra got thrown in for no reason, he probably assumed the same happened to Jumba.

** Captain Hook -- this might be the one I have the most trouble going along with. Hook says the chest is full of light, but why didn't Terra unlock the chest just to be sure? Is it like how hearts work, once released it'll fly away? Also, would you honestly someone with [[Evil Brit|Hook's]] [[I Take Offense to That Last One|accent]] had good intentions?

**** Remember also that Terra had been arrested himself on false charges. He may have assumed that the other prisoners were in the same boat.

*** How was it a false charge? He ''was'' trespassing/stowing away on the ship without permission (From [[The Other Wiki]]: a stowaway is a person who secretly boards a vehicle, such as an aircraft, bus, ship or train, to travel without paying and without being detected). His intentions were good, but he still technically broke their rules. And I'm not sure how that makes him look ''less'' naive or stupid, in any case.

**** And besides, Aqua and Ven were guilty of ''exactly the same thing'', only Ven never got caught and Aqua had a chance to explain why she was there to the Grand Councilwoman. If either of them got thrown in the brig, they'd have broken out, as well.

**** Still doesn't justify breaking out Jumba too. He's a denizen of that world and in prison for a reason, breaking him out was "meddling" in addition to stupid.

*** Or maybe newborn just means relatively young. I doubt the time between Ven meeting Sora and the start of the game was more than a year, given how Ven doesn't age.

** Nomura's original idea was for it to be Sora's heart from ''before'' he was born, so I think that yes, Sora was indeed a newborn and Ven was supposed to be 11.

** [[Knight Templar Parent|Knight Templar Fairy Godmother]]?

** [[All There in the Manual|If you have the guidebook]], it indicates that since Ven is not used to inter-dimensional travel yet, he kinda screws up re-entry on Cinderella's world and that's why he is so tiny.

** Yup, definitely still a part. Note that Ansem: Seeker of Darkness kept Terra's shape, despite being in Riku's body, indicating that there ''was'' a chunk of Terra in there somewhere.

** I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Nomura said darkness causes you to age faster or something. Not sure where that was.

** Maybe Eraqus just aged better.

** It was in [[Updated Rerelease|Final Mix Plus]]. The portal in Disney Castle's basement takes you there to fight Terra's Lingering Sentiment. It just didn't show up on the world map the same way all the other BBS-specific worlds didn't.

* ...So how exactly did Terra's and Ven's Keyblades get to the Realm of Darkness to save Aqua from the Darksides? The Ends of the Earth was with the Lingering Sentiment, and the Wayward Wind was... presumably... with Ven, who's in Castle Oblivion. Or is it all just visual metaphors?

** Since the Keyblades are so intricately linked to their users' hearts, and since Terra, Ventus, and Aqua's hearts are all connected thanks to their friendship, perhaps Terra and Ventus were able to sense that Aqua was in danger from within the hearts of Xehanort and Sora, respectively, and guide their Keyblades to her. But they were only able to do it for a limited period of time because Ven's heart needed to heal, and Terra's heart had to continue the struggle with Xehanort?

** In universe explanation: Namine screwed up.

** Maybe Mickey and Pete had another scuffle during the nine-year gap between games, and Mickey banished him again rather than actually kill someone he used to be friends with?

*** {{spoiler|At the end of the game, he's the one who brings Ansem to take in Xehanort.}} That, and during Ven's visit to Radiant Garden, Dilan says, "Lord and castle come first," to which Even replies, "Which reminds me, his Lordship was asking for you," which seems to indicate that all six inhabitants of the castle knew each other.

** There were Unversed a-plenty running around. Considering that Braig was ''supposed'' to be defending the town, and that Ansem the Wise didn't seem to know that he wasn't doing his job, he has a ready-made scapegoat to blame the injury on.

* What's with Xehanort and the princesses of heart? I mean, he tells Maleficent about them, including that Aurora is one, {{spoiler|(and steals her heart,)}} sends Unversed after Cinderella, Snow White, and even KAIRI, but then, after Aqua beats the Unversed attacking a four year old, they leave them alone, and that plot point is never mentioned again.

** [[We Need a Distraction|He needs to come up with some other threat for Terra, Aqua, and Ven to deal with]] in order to buy time to complete his plans. They didn't make much progress, but it did achieve the intended goal -- buy time.

* When Terra was in Enchanted Dominion and {{spoiler|was manipulated to steal Aurora's heart}}... uh... what the hell happened? I know MX is all "heh heh heh" about it later, but I still don't have a clue what or how it happened.

** It's implied that Xehanort did it himself in order to make Terra doubt himself, although the how of it is left unclear. Presumably he was nearby watching (somehow) and intervened at the right moment, I guess?

* So how ageless are the toons? It seems that Hercules is the only character that undergoes any change in physical appearances, if only by bulking up. Do they (or at least the Walt Disney characters) essentially age depending on what Era of Animation they are (as evident by the Timeless River)?

** Who are you asking about specifically? The princesses of heart that showed up were in their early 20s, so they probably wouldn't change much. Neverland is a place where you never grow up, and Stitch has been shown to stay the same after 10 or even 20 years.

*** [http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1177360/Mrfipp One fan] [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3512766/6/Give_Me_Strength thinks] somebody (perhaps the Organization) kidnapped Stitch (with Lilo as hostage most likely). Although I don't think that belongs here. Also, who says the world Stitch goes to is KH's representation of our world?

* How long was Pete locked up in... Wherever Minnie and the Fantasia brooms dumped him before Maleficent busted him out? If it was before KH1, then where was he? I just got the impression that Minnie wasn't planning to leave him in there for that long, though considering Toon Age (as discussed above), 10+ years might not be that long for toons.

** Terra was naive with a one-track mind. He was probably too focused on proving himself and finding MX to put two and two together. That doesn't explain Aqua, however.

** Aqua was supposed to be looking for Xehanort and spying on Terra. She never got around to either of thoe things either. She was just to busy looking for Terra and fighting the Unversed.

* Ok, so, when Terra, Aqua, and Ventus meet up again in Radiant Gardens, Aqua tells Terra that "I've been to the same worlds as you, and I've seen what you've done". Wait, what? The only world where Aqua saw any reasons to become suspicious of Terra was Enchanted Dominion (ONE world!) and it mostly consisted of Aqua refusing to believe what Maleficent told her about Terra. So... how did she suddenly go from "Terra would never do that!!" to being so suspicious the next time they meet?

** Because "Terra would NEVER DO THAT" was a kneejerk reaction she threw back at Maleficent in the heat of the moment. Her suspicions of Terra came much later, when she's had time to properly digest what she's been told and her doubts about Terra, rooted in Eraqus's own doubts, have had time to fester.

** That still doesn't explain her suspicion, only the fact that she was worried about Terra being close to the darkness. The fact that she ran into Terra right after the Enchanted Dominion means she went from believing in him to suspicious of him in a short time frame only really on Maleficent's word. Also, her talk with Maleficent puts more doubt on Master Xehanort then Terra, which is even more odd, as in that same scene, she questions Terra'a actions not following Eraqus's orders, but he basically told them to figure out about the unversed (which Terra does, as he names the person responsible) and find MX (who a bunch of red flags were raised about), yet this isn't brought up once by her at all. Seems more of a case of [[Rule of Drama]].

*** If you've seen Aladdin, it makes perfect sense for him to have Ice magic. He was a sorcerer, then upgraded to the most powerful sorcerer, then further upgraded to an ALL POWERFUL GENIE. What's surprising is that he isn't pulling out Flare, Meteor Swarm, etc.....

** Pay attention. The Evil Queen threw a potion at the thing after she thought it was defying her. Somehow, the potion turned the Spirit of the Mirror into an Unversed (I don't get how either, just roll with it), hence the sudden combat abilities and ensuing battle.

** {{spoiler|Ven's heart is merged with Sora's. As a result, his nobody, Roxas, looks like Ven because Sora had Ven's heart.}}

** To be fair, Ventus's personality is completely different from Roxas's. And the connection actually makes a lot of sense when you look back at the series as a whole.

*** The Lingering Sentiment is {{spoiler|the memory and will of Terra, trapped inside the armour; it probably doesn't have enough sense left to take its body back.}}

* How old are Huey, Dewey, and Louie? They're supposed to be ducklings, but they appear in Birth By Sleep and haven't grown since then.

*** Hmm... it's been a while, so remind me: were they as short in KH I & II as they were in Birth By Sleep?

* According to Xehanort Report VII, there is only one true Kingdom Hearts made up of the world's hearts. Which means that all the Organization's plotting, manipulations, and conniving, all of Sora and co, and by extension, the player's attempts to stop Xemnas's master plan, it was all to create or stop an artificial, sub-par Kingdom Hearts, that apparently had been done before. Granted, we would only learn this by Birth By Sleep, but that doesn't stop the cheated feeling I have.

* Is it just me, or has the final boss for the last few games just been Sora Vs. Roxas over and over again? I mean, {{spoiler|Days has Roxas Vs. Xion, Birth by Sleep has Ventus and Vanitas, coded has Data Sora/Data Roxas, and for good measure, Data Sora and Data Sora's Heartless.}} It's like Sora's just fighting himself over and over again.

** One of the main themes of the series is the stronger one's light, the stronger the shadow. It's only natural that in the games between major Xehanort manifestations, the protagonists end up having to fight the shadows produced by their own blinding light. And besides, BBS's final battle was the Final Chapter, and that's against {{spoiler|Terranort}}, ultimately the same guy as the final battle in KH1 and KH2. Plus, virtually none of the fights play out the same way ({{spoiler|Xion}} turned into a suit of armor thingy, etc), so it's purely a plot-based thematic thing, rather than gameplay repetition.

* The timing in BBS makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, at the start, Terra leaves, and then Ven minutes later, and then Aqua, again, only moments behind. And yet somehow, her FIRST world is the END of Terra's THIRD. Um, really? So Terra {{spoiler|stole Aurora's heart, interrogated the Magic Mirror, and lead Cinderella to the ball}} all before Aqua even made it to the FIRST WORLD? You would think that these transactions would take more than ten or fifteen minutes...

** Best I can figure is either their gliders travel at noticeably different cruising speeds, or the trio habitually ''flies'' at noticeably different speeds. Given that we're dealing with ''worlds'' here, so the travel time can probably be as much as a day or two, differences of as little as ten to fifteen percent probably add up to several hours at least.

** Aqua left later. It was Ven who pursued Terra immediately.

*** I saw her follow ''shortly'' after, just as few seconds.

*** There's actually a timeline built into the game, but you do have to have completed the Final Episode to be allowed to view it.

* So let me get this right from the Blank Points movie. {{spoiler|It's implying that along with Terra, Aqua, and Ven, Sora will have to rescue Axel, Xion, Roxas, and Namine? Uh, hang on... aren't Roxas and Namine already merged with Sora and Kairi, respectively? And Xion just doesn't exist anymore, since she was just made of leaked memories? And Axel gave up his own Nobody life to help Sora? And finally, if he were to bring back Ven AND Roxas... won't that cause confusion of twins wandering around?}}

*** A flashback in [[Kingdom Hearts II]] shows that Mickey met Ansem the Wise and Xehanort walked in. Then again, Mickey states he has a bad memory, so maybe he forgot about Xehanort? Mickey saw Roxas at the end of [[Kingdom Hearts II]], but he never thinks it is Ven.

*** Mickey never met Master Xehanort. He didn't know what went down with Terra and Xehanort, and honestly, would body snatching be the first thing that popped into your head, or would you just assume it was an [[Identical Stranger]]?

* The lost boys are afraid to fly up an enormously steep cliff edge, pixie dust or no. Peter Pan calls them cowards and goads them on to their current quest... annoying armed pirates capable of killing them. Aqua calls Peter Pan "a good leader."

** What? Never heard of sarcasm before?

*** Except that she was being completely sincere. And to be fair, she did see some good qualities of leadership in him, but she was ignoring some gaping flaws there too.

*** Their current quest had nothing to do with the pirates. The pirates just happened to show up which, well, happens like every other day in Neverland. She was calling him a good leader because the point of the "treasure hunt" wasn't the treasure, it was getting the kids to push themselves and conquer the obstacles that would ''lead to'' the treasure.

** She said he was a good leader, not a perfect leader.

* Why does Vanitas look like Sora? Ventus hadn't merged with Sora yet, Vanitas has no connection to Sora.

*** Reverse it. Maybe Sora grew up to look like Vanitas.

*** After wondering that myself, I came to the conclusion that maybe it was for the sake of parallels. Sora and Roxas are separate halves, so why not make Ven's other half look like Sora?

* None of the main characters seem to know which people are Princesses of Heart, even though Eraqus makes it clear that they know that the Princesses exist, and are important. You'd think that, for example, Terra would ''know'' where the hearts of pure light (the Princesses) are. And yet, he seems surprised to discover that Cinderella and Snow White are such individuals.

** TAV probably never left the Land of Departure for more than a brief visit before (it was ''definitely'' Ven's first time, and possibly Terra and Aqua's, as well), so they wouldn't know where to look. Besides, these are supposedly [[Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale|worlds]] we're talking about. It might be common knowledge that there ''is'' a Princess of Heart on a given world, but actually finding them would be searching for a needle in a very big haystack. It was pretty much luck (or destiny, or both) that TAV met the princesses at all.

* A more meta headscratcher, what is so confusing about how Aurora's heart was taken? Xehanort clearly tells Braig that Terra was not yet capable of doing something like that.

* Ventus's connection to Sora at the beginning explains Vanitas's physical appearance to Sora, but it doesn't explain his voice before Ventus connects to Sora. Was it officially said that Vanitas resembles Sora or the other way around?

* How does Ventus know what the Unversed are called? He was never at the meeting where Master Eraqus says Yen Sid calls them unversed, yet he knows that name as shown by his inner thoughts (the goals written on the screen) and the cutscene where {{spoiler|Vanitas forges the X-blade}}.

** The information about the Unversed was covered in Master Xehanort's letter to Eraqus, which Ventus acquired upon leaving the Land of Departure.

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