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== As darkness becomes light, light falls into darkness ==

Sora and Riku embark on the Mark of Mastery Exam, a journey both inside and outside to improve their skills and remedy the darkness inside them. The drop mechanic is a measure of immersion, how far they are within themselves. In each world they will journey from the obvious world to the internal world/memories/heart. In doing so they prove their mastery of the keyblade, while exorcising their own inner darkness. At first, this will be Riku, but as they fight the dark within him, Vanitas/All Hell will break loose within Sora. This may/will lead to battles of the past combined with battles of the present being fought at the same time. (Including just back to back Xemnas and Ansem and possibly a reprised Organization XIII). Riku and Sora will develop trust for each other/serious bromance. Oh, and inside Sora is where a lot of fun characters are kept, ie Roxas, {{spoiler|Xion, Ven, and Vanitas}}, maybe even Axel (within Roxas' memories, another level of dream.) Also expect a journey to the Realm of Darkness for Aqua and the real Ansem. Finally, a race with Vanitas/Xehanort to save the princesses of the heart/Kairi. This allows a full cast revival as well as a setup for epic battles in Kingdom Hearts 3. There's going to be a lot of heads to get inside. Finally, you get to watch the game get inside your head. Some other speculated events: A battle between Sora and Riku for Kairi, Watch Roxas wipe the floor with the entire universe to help rescue Namine and Xion. In fact, I can safely say I'm not alone in hoping for badass from start to finish. Oh, and in conclusion, {{spoiler|they pass the exam}}.

 

== The meaning of "not the same Sora we know" ==

* Or that this Sora is more serious, arrogant, and [[Dismotivation|dismotivated]].

** A change in personality is possible, but I doubt he'll turn arrogant or ruthless. Considering his heart's supposed to have almost no darkness and all..

** I figured Anti Form was more of a stress thing than darkness. But if not, it's proven in the series that all that's bad about darkness is bad people using it. Since Sora's good, maybe it means the player can have him use dark powers for good?

 

== What 3D possibly means. ==

First things first: we know for a fact from [[Word of God]] that it's not Third Dimension nor does it refer to the game being the third main game of the series.

* '''[[Jossed]]''', the subtitle is [[Word Salad Title|Dream Drop Distance]].

** Well, maybe...

* Make this happen Nomura! Sora's in desperate need of some doubt to line the boundless confidence.

* Remember this line from Xemnas? (Granted, it's a hard-to-hear battle quote, but it's certainly jarring to those who catch it)

* I fully expect that to rear its head again.

* The idea of trusting others seems to be supported by the appearance of Neku, since trust was the main theme in [[The World Ends With You]].

* If it's not this, Yen Sid is gonna come off as a massive prick for making Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery Exam insanely hard, when all Aqua and Terra had to do was smash around some light orbs and then duel for a bit.

** The point of their exam being simpler is that they'd been training under Eraqus their whole lives; he ''knows'' if they're ready or not.

** Eh, he really isn't "insanely" good. He's basically hack-and-slash while throwing around magic. Even in 2, and that was when he was mainly relying on hack-and-slash and his forms. Sora kinda needs to relearn. Riku, however, is pretty good.

** Riku likely learned a little from Mickey. It's obvious, however, that though Riku is more precise and elegant, Sora's speed, magic, and power is enormous.

 

== Possible Disney worlds ==

* ''[[Lilo and Stitch]]'' seems likely, since there was a Stitch space world in BBS. This time it'll most likely be in Hawaii, though.

** Never say never, but it seems unlikely. TAV filled Lilo's role of ridding Stitch of his [[Crush! Kill! Destroy!]] mindset. This is coupled with the fact that the general Japanese feelings about Lilo are... mixed at best.

* Nomura mentioned that the new Disney worlds would be the ones most requested by the fans. So, probably the most popular movies in the [[Disney Animated Canon]] will appear, basically. Which means no ''[[The Black Cauldron]]'', I guess...

** Then a good question would be "which Disney movies are popular in Japan?"

** Aww, no ''[[The Black Cauldron]]''? I wanna beat up that weird skeleton dude!

** This is supported by the fact that a Pinocchio world was [[Dummied Out|left out]] of ''Days''.

** '''Confirmed''': Prankster's Paradise.

** Add another extra greed! Even though the series was made by [[Bandai]]. [[Legendz]]!

* While their respective movies perhaps wouldn't work all too well as their own worlds, boss fights with [[Fantasia 2000|the Firebird]] and [[The Legend of Sleepy Hollow|the Headless Horseman]] would be fantastic. As for other potential worlds, I could see [[The Wind in the Willows]] potentially working. And if they only focused on the cartoon sections like [[Disneyland|Splash Mountain]] does, I could even see a Song of the South world similar to the Winnie the Pooh segments in previous games.

* The [[Marvel]] universe... or at the very least, [[Deadpool]] as a [[Bonus Boss]].

** The most likely incarnation would be [[Spider-Man]] or [[Wolverine]] as a summon.

** Possibly [[Final Fantasy VI|Kefka]].

*** Someone like Kefka can fit in pretty well in a place like 16th Century France. It would also be awesome to see two of the most [[Complete Monster|sadistic bastards]] from their respective franchises in the same screen. Maybe have a funny exchange like this:

*** ...Oh God. Oh God, oh God. Do we ''really'' need to upstage Xehanort, now?!?

*** Kefka could fit in with THBOND, but I think that if he ever appears in a KH game, he'd be Sephiroth's replacement, being That One Boss from the Final Fantasy series.

** For added awesome, Sora's armor could resemble that of {{spoiler|Xion's}}.

** Sora's should be a mix between {{spoiler|Xion's, Ven's, and Vanitas's}}, while Riku's should be a mix between {{spoiler|his own dark mode, Terra's, Xehanort's, and maybe Eraqus's.}}

* {{spoiler|Turns out it's not as jossed as the above guy thinks it is, Sora is given Ven's Keyblade Armor for protection against the darkness when he falls into the awakening... And ends up getting controlled by it.}}

 

 

== The game will feature a [[Battle in the Center of the Mind|a battle within Sora's heart]] ==

** With Roxas or {{spoiler|Xion}} as a party member.

*** And {{spoiler|Vanitas}} as a boss.

 

== The Mark of Mastery exam will act as a tutorial. ==

* '''Jossed'''; the whole plot covers the exam.

 

 

== Sora will fail the Mark of Mastery Exam ==

* Kind of doubtful. Sora clearly has darkness in his heart, as demonstrated by the presence of Anti-Form. Sure, he's clearly got more light than darkness, but that's just who he is, and you can't really fault someone for being who they are so long as they acknowledge the need for balance.

** Well... there's a rumor going around about the ending {{spoiler|and this is the very outcome. Riku becomes a master, and Sora doesn't. For currently unknown reasons, Sora leaves to go on his own(also very vague right now)adventure.}}

 

== Cyan, Gabranth, Cid Raines, and Shantotto will appear to emphasize various aspects that Sora and Riku need to learn. ==

 

Cyan is there to emphasize patience, motive, and tragedy. His fighting style requires him to wait to dish out power attacks (patience), Motive is to keep Sora from fighting senseless battles (See Cyan just after Doma vs End Game Cyan), and Tragedy is to remind Sora that no matter what, things can end badly and you must be prepared. (And I'm a total Cyan fangirl)

Gabranth is about judgement and despair. No matter what, someone will claim power over you and you can do very little about it. Even if you fight against it, you may only be delaying the inevitable. (Gabranth will also judge Sora at a point).

 

 

 

== Sora will cease to exist partway through/after the mark of mastery (or become comatose or become Vanitas) ==

** {{spoiler|Confirmed; Sora's heart is shattered, though it is repaired. Happens near the end though.}}

== Frollo will hold Sora on trial ==

 

== Sora will have a massive change of heart ==

 

== Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas are illusions ==

 

== Possible voice actors for Frollo ==

* [[Corey Burton]] -- After hearing him as Sark and [[Transformers Animated|Shockwave]], he has potential.

* [[Kelsey Grammer]] -- [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtm80Z2iqoA This AMV gave me the idea.]

 

== This is the only game that non FF characters will appear in. ==

** Characters designed by Nomura are probably the most likely on either side of the FF fence.

 

 

== The Realm of Sleep Sora and Riku will travel through will allow access into the subconsciousness of the worlds. ==

 

== Sora and Riku are actually traveling through the Realm of Sleep in order to wake Ven up ==

* Bambi's world (for a breather)

* Tokyo(Neku's homeworld)

*** I agree that some kind of made-up name would be involved, the "Land of the Rising Sun" evokes old Japan more than shiny modern fashionista Shibuya.

* Atlantis

* It's been confirmed that Neku is in the middle of playing The Game as shown by his timer. Logically, there must be a Gamemaster. It can't be the Composer, as he's too imbalanced for the Game to be fair. However, in [[The World Ends With You|TWEWY]], Sho left behind a body while every other reaper faded upon death. It's been theorized before that he was kept alive by the Composer as he's entertaining. It makes sense that he'd be used as the Gamemaster, being one of the highest ranked reapers at the end of TWEWY.

** I don't know about that. TWEWY was basically confirmed to one day get a sequel (you can see it on its page). They'd most likely keep Sho for the sequel. I don't totally discount the thought that he may be in the game, but it'd have to end with him escaping again. Assuming TWEWY and Kingdom Hearts are in the same continuity.

** Sho or any other Gamemaster might make an appearance. Much like any Disney world, where the player (Sora or the trio from BBS) more or less followed the events of the original movie, Sora and Riku here seems to be following the events of the original Game (i.e. these are not post-TWEWY events, these are TWEWY events set in KH universe). For example, Shiki still looks like Eri, and Rhyme doesn't have any memories whatsoever. Also, Joshua says the exact same line he told Neku at the end of the week 2, when Sho was around.

** On the other hand, Xemnas/Xehanort might take the entire role of a Gamemaster, setting the rules of the Game (Neku at one point is seen charging at a hooded figure yelling "This is not what we agreed on!") - but then it's unclear what would that make of Joshua's role.

''Warning: Many Unmarked Spoilers for BBS. Read at own risk.''

* From Aqua's ending in [[Birth By Sleep]]:

'''Yensid''': It sleeps in the place between light and darkness. From all I can perceive, that means he will be looking for a friend --- one who believes in him, to show him the way home. Just as long as you (Aqua) love him, then Ventus will be able to find you when he wakes. He can follow that love back to where he belongs --- the realm of light. }}

 

 

To elaborate, Ventus' heart is somewhere deep inside the Dreamworld, most likely beyond the Keyhole of Sleep. However, because Ventus is presently inside Sora's heart, I'm going to say that this will only take place in Sora's story, since Riku shouldn't have any bonds/affiliations with him. It's stated by Yen Sid that Ven will need his friends (Aqua, Terra, and Mickey) to help him wake up. Unfortunately, Aqua is out of commission, Terra is having [[Grand Theft Me|his own problems]], and Mickey can't really do much of anything (I'd imagine it'd be very complicated, and painful, to separate a person from their heart, especially one with multiple hearts) This leaves the task to Sora, who will have to look within himself, aka go inside his dreams, and become the "friend" that Ventus needs to guide him back to the realm of light.

A Riku that soars. Riku means Land. A land that falls... Few ideas but none specific.

* I think you mean a land that ''soars''. Hmm...Neverland, maybe?<ref>Even though it's been used already, but hey, it's possible.</ref>

 

== The [[Pinocchio]] world will have you fight the Coachman ==

== The Riku that soars and a Sora that falls is not the two teens ==

Instead the phrase is talking about two characters. These character will be Terra and Ventus, considering that Terra fell last time it would be symbolic that he soars this time and a similar situation with Ventus. He will show up with everyone who knows Roxas thinking he's Roxas but wondering why he looks so different(clothing). It might also have a connection to Re:Coded's opening where he disappears from the Chamber of Waking.

 

== Sora and Riku will eventually learn how to use [[Morph Weapon|the more versatile aspects of the Keyblade]] thanks to Yen Sid's training. ==

 

What vehicle will Sora's Keyblade be able to turn into? [[Call Back|A skateboard.]] And not just any skateboard, ''[[Eureka Seven|a lifting hoverboard]]''. ''[[Rule of Cool|With]] [[Weaponized Exhaust]]''.

 

== Explination of Three Musketeer's World being present ==

 

And one of those worlds is Disney's The Three Musketeers.

Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the young xehanort at the end of the Jump Festa trailer is Terranort but he's not. First he seems too young(as in his design seems younger than Terra's) more like what one would imagine riku would look like if he was possessed by MX in current day. This seems to implie that he is in fact the Master Xehanort restored to a more youthful body. just compare to Xemnas or even Terra, even the hairstyle from the back seems more in line with the young Xehanort we've seen in the flashback. It just seems that there is more to it after all they are in a world of sleep.

* On that note, when they save the sleeping worlds MX will be restored as well but at the same time there will also be a Terranort, each symbolising Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnes respectively to go with what Yen Sid said in Signs of What's Next.

 

== Sora takes Sam's place ==

The one seen in The Country of the Musketeers is the King but what about the proper one of that world. Simple they pulled a Prince and the Pauper. Make sense don't it.

** Well, this would also mean a world based on the actual Disney version of ''The Prince and The Pauper'' is a no-go. What a pity... [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot|no, seriously.]] Except this is unlikely, because 1) Disney rarely misses cash-cow-milking chances, and 2) in the 8-minute trailer, Mickey clearly shows to know Sora.

 

== The Cloaked Riku from the Jump 2012 Trailer ==

 

== The series already pulled many [[Homage Shot|homage shots]] in order to replicate moments from Disney movies despite Sora replacing the characters seen in said movies because he's their equivalent; this game will do the same with [[The World Ends With You]] as well, though. ==

 

== [[Tetsuya Nomura]] has been so [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|generous]] about characters from ''[[The World Ends With You]]'' because there aren't going to be any ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' characters in the game. ==

This is because FF characters haven't popped up yet despite the game supposedly coming out in March 2012, and in order to keep ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' cameos exclusive to Playstation installments of the ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' series from now on, while ''[[The World Ends With You]]'' will appear on Nintendo KH games instead. Despite this isn't entirely true since there's a "Final Fantasy All-stars" game coming out for the 3DS (namely ''[[Theatrhythm Final Fantasy]]'', featuring the entire cast of ''[[Dissidia Final Fantasy]]''), the possibility is bound to turn the TWEWY characters from ATFR-inducing into [[Replacement Scrappy|replacement-scrappies]], especially for the series' [[Fan Dumb]]. [[User:Alex Sora 89|This troper]] [[I Knew It!|is calling it right now.]]

*** [[I Knew It!]]! It's been basically confirmed [http://kh13.com/forum/topic/30393-kingdom-hearts-3d-in-nintendo-power/ in the Nintendo Power interview:] "In previous games in the Kingdom Hearts series, Final Fantasy characters made appearances and gave Sora guidance to help with his adventure. This time, it’s characters from The World Ends with You who perform that role". On the good side, this implies the characters' roles will be far more relevant to the story than just mere cameos, but on the bad side... just, ''damn it'', Nomura.

 

As a wild idea for why some of the past villains have returned.

* Wait you mean in the possible real world sequences right?

 

== We'll see more of the organization members revived ==

If the scene between Lea, Ienzo and Aeleus takes place in the real world (of the kingdom heart games) then it is likely other apprentices will be revived as well. This leads to some problematic situation involving Braig though. That means we'll also learn the real names of the Demyx through to Larxene.

 

== Vanitas will try a [[Grand Theft Me]] on Sora ==

 

== Riku's story will end with Riku {{spoiler|sacrificing himself in order to free Terra from Xehanort's control}}. ==

** So you want Terra to be freed and Riku to be possessed(again), isn't that a bit redundent. I doubt they would do something like that because the two have so many similarities already and it would wear thin with many fans. On that note the Xehanort in the 2012 Jump trailer is a young MX thus being likely that he will be reborn like that rather than possess someone else again.

*** Ugh, ''hell'' no. When I stated my theory, I didn't mean it was something I wanted by that. It's just something I [[I Knew It!|feared.]]

The reason he's there is a mystery to me as of this moment. Maybe Ienzo told him that some of Ansem's Tech is on a world he's never seen before and asked him (Lea) to get it for him(Ienzo), who really knows at this point. After Lea saves Mickey, Mickey will then tell him about Xion. This may have something to do with Xion becoming her own person.

* Interesting theory, but does Mickey even know about her? And even if he did, wouldn't have have {{spoiler|forgotten about her like everyone else}}?

*** Yes, but only as "black-haired girl whose name I don't know". And describing that to Lea probably won't trigger remembering her, to be honest.

*** Remember, her memories were absorbed into Sora. Spending some time with Lea might awaken some of her and Roxas's memories, therefor theres a possibility (which I think is likely) that Sora will learn Xion's name through said memories and the he'll tell Lea. Sora may even force Lea to reanact that tearjerking fight he had with Xion back in Days if it is needed.

This troper's theory: From what this troper understands, during the [[Battle in the Center of the Mind|battle in the center of Ventus's heart]], when Ventus defeated Vanitas, Vanitas disappeared but lay dormant within his heart, and by extension, Sora's heart. It could explain why Anti-Sora exists. Whenever Sora activates a Drive Form, he taps into Ventus's heart, which is how he could wield two keyblades during those forms (or at least have heightened magic / attack power, in the case of Wisdom and Limit Form). Whenever it backfires, Sora becomes corrupted by the darkness that lay within, which is Vanitas. This in turn, turns him into Anti-Sora.

 

 

== The TWEWY Players will be allies, and can also be fought later in the game. ==

At some point in the game, you will fight them all, just like how the player fights Cloud, Tifa, Yuffie, and Squall in [[Kingdom Hearts II]].

 

== Vanitas will attempt to fool Sora into thinking he's his other half or something along those lines ==

Come on, something has to be made of the identical faces and voices. He may also attempt to fool others that he is Sora gone bad, which would fit in with the trust theme of the game. Given how the only good guys who have seen Vanitas are Mickey, Aqua, and Ventus and the former never saw his face, it may take a while to clear up the confusion.

 

Ones that aren't already listed above.

 

* [[Lady and the Tramp]]

** How many of these are Disney movies? Classic or not, they kind of have to belong to Disney.

*** Corpse Bride is a [[Warner Bros]] movie, so it's kind of a no-go. Despite being made by [[Tim Burton]] and all.

 

== Every so often we'll see Kairi practicing with her Keyblade ==

 

== Lea and Kairi will re-meet....and it'll be awkward as hell ==

 

 

== Mickey will somehow convince Lea to help train Kairi ==

 

== Trust won't be the only theme. ==

* Who could forget about that scene in The Three Musketeers when Mickey and Minnie have a day together and fall in love?

 

 

== Lea is [[Putting the Band Back Together]]. ==

 

 

As for Lea's apparent [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment where he comes to the aid of Mickey & co. against Maleficent, it's probably a tangentially-related mission. Maleficent might not be as big a threat as Xehanort, but she's ''still'' the Mistress of all Evil.

== The Organization members are trapped inside the Realm of Sleep, and it's up to Sora and Riku to save them. ==

 

 

Speaking of which, where ''are'' the other returning members hinted in [http://kh13.com/forum/topic/28238-kingdom-hearts-3d-in-famitsu-weekly-hq-scans-interview/ Nomura's interview]? Since all the members are dead, most of them should be back by now. Sure, some of their Heartless could still be running around somewhere, but this doesn't explain Ienzo's and Aelueus' sudden appearances. There's no way for them to just pop in out of nowhere; that's not Nomura's style. It's just too easy. He'll most likely turn them into another plot device like [[Kudzu Plot|everything else in the series]], convoluted or otherwise. And what better way to do that than by putting all of the Organization in the Realm of Sleep?

Honestly, I can't see the them anywhere else other than the Realm of Sleep. Even if they were hiding all this time, all the member's appearances just seem too... coincidental. Also, we have yet to see Young/Old Master Xehanort appear in the Realm of Light yet. He could very well be stuck inside the Realm of Sleep like the rest of Org. 13.

* Axel is only seen in the Realm of Light. In the Febuary trailer he even goes to see Yen Sid.

* Lea has not been seen in the Realm of Sleep. At all. He HAS been seen in the Realm of Light however. Also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BssrlR_rdFc#t=528s link].

** That actually looks more like Xigbar, though (longer hair tied in ponytail, grey streaks in hair). It could be Braig, but I doubt that he would have aged ''that'' much in the span of a decade (the physical discrepancies between Braig and Xigbar seem to be chalked up to the minor alterations a Nobody goes through when reviving). And seeing as dream and memories are linked together, it's not impossible that a dream version of Braig/Xigbar would still remember what his real self did. Additionally, the trailer shows {{spoiler|at least ''three'' different incarnations of Xehanort (four if you believe the Mysterious Figure to be Young Master Xehanort) simultaneously existing in the same place when two of them have to be dead in order for Xehanort to come back like Yen Sid said}}, so nothing's set in stone. The Realm of Sleep seems to very much be a [[Mind Screw]]-laden [[Fisher Kingdom]]. Nothing in the series (so far, and I stress those words) would seem to suggest that the Realm of Sleep is involved as some intermediary with Somebodies/Heartless/Nobodies, seeing as canonically speaking, a Nobody returns to darkness when killed, only being restored as that person's original self if their Heartless was slain first (as written above). We'll see, but right now, I'm leaning towards no. For all we know, Lea's revival and his meeting with Yen Sid could've happened ''while'' Sora & co. were at TWTNW during the end portion of ''II'' and we're seeing events out of order and behind the scenes. After all, it took until ''coded'' for Yen Sid to figure out that Xehanort came back, and that took place some time after Xemnas was defeated.

 

== Goat Horn is the spawn / fusion of [[Okami|Kazegami]] and either [[Pokémon|Sawsbuck]] or [[Monster Hunter|Anteka]]. ==

 

== It'll be revealed that Sora is a plucky goth of sorts ==

== This game is going to throw Sora in a coma of sorts ==

Judging by the box cover and the February trailer, it looks like Sora is going to be out of it. Nice job breaking it Yen Sid.

* Semi-Confirmed. {{spoiler|Sora's heart becomes shattered towards the end, but Riku makes him better.}}

 

== Lea will get a Keyblade. ==

The Feb trailer has him talking with Yen Sid about going on a dangerous journey, which might involve gaining a Keyblade. And if he does, it would be the Bond of Flame or something similar.

But if he doesn't become a keyblade wielder....maybe he'll become a guardian(like Auron) of sorts, but will have to take a test of character before becoming one.

*** Or maybe the "dangerous journey" will involve bringing Xion, Roxas, and(possibly) Namine back into exsitence but as actual people this time.

 

== Riku will become the main character for the Next Game ==

 

Riku however has a completely new outfit and a new haircut to go along with. Another clue is the last trailer, In the last trailer near the end Xehanort has seemingly convinced Sora to go to with them somewhere and several scenes show Mickey and Riku in the same area trying to save him only to be stopped by Xemnas and Ansem SOD.

* Jossed

== {{spoiler|Donald, Goofy and Mickey}} are going to be [[Secret Character]] Party Members. ==

 

* Oh, sh[[Last-Second Word Swap|oot]]. My theory has [http://kh13.com/forum/topic/31397-kingdom-hearts-3d-in-famitsu-weekly-interview-summary/ just been jossed!] The last [[Hope Spot|hope]] is Nomura... well, [[I Pulled a Weird Al|pulling a]] [[Lying Creator|Nomura.]]

 

* Another Unknown. It would make a lot of sense, considering that in the other 'main' games (or Final Mixes of said games), there would be an Unknown type of character with insane strength. However, this time, he/she won't be plot relevant.

* A giant Mr. Mew. Shiki and Neku activated their Level 3 Fusion, but something went wrong and Mr. Mew is on a rampage.

* Xion. They'll make you fight her armored forms as a [[Sequential Boss]] just like in the end of Days, and even use the same music (or remixes of the tracks) for each phase. However, she'll have some new tricks that require you to take advantage of the Free Flow Action. Alternatively, if the Ursula boss battle being a part of the 'Memoirs' feature is true, this will be part of it too.

* A character from a Pixar movie. As a hint that they're going to start using Pixar worlds soon.

== {{spoiler|Vanitas}} will be a boss fight in the [[Tron: Legacy]] world. ==

His helmeted form even makes him look like Rinzler, which will cause Sora to initially brush him off as one of CLU's [[Mooks]].

{{spoiler|'''Vanitas:'''}} [[Boss in Mook Clothing|Program?]] [[Evil Laugh|Ahahahaha!]] {{spoiler|*pulls out Void Gear*}} [[Oh Crap|Who said anything about me being a program?]] }}

** '''Jossed:''' {{spoiler|Vanitas never shows up other than as a vision from Young Xehanort, unless you want to consider Anti-Black Coat or Nightmare Armor Ventus forms of Vanitas.}}

== The Memoirs feature ''is'' going to [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|allow players to re-live classic moments from the past]]. ==

 

* '''Jossed''' [http://kh13.com/forum/topic/31821-cvg-preview-kingdom-hearts-dream-drop-distance/ This baby] says otherwise. Apparently during the opening, Sora and Riku use a raft to leave the dream Destiny Islands. On the way, out of no where Ursula comes and tries to kill you. Talk about diving in head first.

 

== The Young Xehanort is the memories that got locked away when Terranort caused his amnesia. ==

 

== {{spoiler|Lea's keyblade comes from Terra, or Master Erauqs.}} ==

** Alternatively, Yen Sid just gave him the ability. As we saw with Terra and Aqua both being Eraqus disciples, the Inheritance Ceremony isn't limited to one person, and Yen Sid is a Keyblade Master who trained Mickey in this continuity. Anyway, the decision Lea didn't have what it takes was a subjective call by the old keyblade wielders, just because they didn't think he could wield one then hardly means it was impossible for him to wield one later in life.

*** I don't think it's been said that it's possible to pass down ownership to more then one person, Yen Sid is Mickey's Master and the one who gave him his original Star Seeker. Lea got a Keyblade due to a strong heart that represents his time as a Nobody and as a human, The Bond of Flame/Frolic Flame hybrid representing it.

This may at first sound like a redundant attempt to save the "Roxas is not a facette of Sora"-brand of theories, especially in the light of [[Kingdom Hearts 3D]], but let me explain. An interesting ammount of evidence can be found to support this theory.

 

 

Now, the ''Kingdom Hearts Ultimania'' Book for [[Birth By Sleep]] hints that Ventus' heart might have remained within Roxas and that this might be the cause for him looking exactly like Ventus, but there's one crucial flaw in this: Both, [[Kingdom Hearts Re Coded]] and [[Dream Drop Distance]] strongly imply that Roxas is to be considered an existence seperate from Ventus. Likewise, Ventus' heart was supposed to be pure light, yet Roxas is capable of opening Corridors of Darkness and his personality, while resembling Ventus' a lot more than Sora's, is also lot more aggressive, moody and overall negative. He does a lot of things that a "Heart of Pure Light" would never do... Like senselessly destroying a computer, just to express his anger. This is something Ventus would have never done, no matter the circumstances. However, it's also made very clear that Roxas' heart is very different from Sora's, {{spoiler|which is striking, especially compared to Axel/Lea, who apparently had his old heart and his new heart merge seamlessly upon being turned back to normal.}} The seamless merging-process failed with Sora, as Roxas clearly retains a seperate conciousness. The question is: Why? If he is neither Ventus, nor a natural recreation of Sora's heart, then ''what'' is his heart?

Nomura himself implying that Roxas might hold Ven's heart despite evidence to the contrary seems especially strange, as the Ultimania was likely released in a stage where the plot of [[Dream Drop Distance]] had long been written already. So, while Nomura is known to occasionally retcon details, why would he outright lie at the fans? That's where this theory comes into play. What if he didn't lie? What if Roxas ''did'' hold on to Ventus' heart- but just not the half of it we assumed it to be?

 

 

 

 

 

Next up: Evidence in [[Kingdom Hearts 3D]] (Which I actually played, rather than just reading spoilers, you mind.) '''Needless to say, this section contains some spoilers, so read with caution'''.

Vanitas appears in the game for all but 2 seconds, talking in unision with Young Master Xehanort. This brief scene is very possibly just a vision Sora has upon hearing YMX speak, though it makes you wonder how active Vanitas' conciousness is within him by that point. Flash foreward to Sora's [[Mind Screw]] Royal in The World That Never Was: In his dream, Sora encounters Roxas... Who promptly states that things aren't well the way they are and infuses Sora with his memories. All at once, suddenly, with little explanation and not preparing him at all, playing directly into Xehanort's plans with it. Now... Why would Roxas do this? The "Roxas" Sora meets clearly is completly aware of what is going on and, unlike the other dream-people Sora meets, actually speaks to him for a while, implying he is doing the memory transfer conciously and willingly. However, all the memory transfer accomplishes at that point is to scare Sora so baddly that he goes into an [[Heroic BSOD]] and finally has his heart shattered by Xemnas, which benefits Team Xehanort greatly. So if Roxas was even one bit aware of what was going on he ''knew'' this was going to happen, and he still did this. Why? Being allied to Xehanort somehow (which is tragic) seems to be the only plausible explanation. Also, look at Roxas face when he transfers the memories. His expression looks surprisingly like Vanitas', when he held the X-Blade and challenged Ventus within their Dive Into Heart and is pretty much identical to Vanitas' expression in afformentioned [[One-Scene Wonder]] moment. Even more striking: If you take a close look at the timelines of Riku's and Sora's stories, you will notice that Roxas' disappearance from Sora's dream almost immediately coincides with Riku's battle against ''Anti Black Coat'', a Nightmare-Type Dream Eater, who looks exactly like what Vanitas' "true" form has been described to look like, even featuring a simmilar battle style. A point could be made that for Sora only a few seconds pass between Roxas' disappearance and hearing Riku's post-battle pleas for him to wake up, but remember that Sora is dreaming. It was been outright stated that time doesn't flow normally within his dreams, so the entire battle against ''Anti Black Coat'' could easily have taken place in those "few seconds" between Roxas's disappearance and Riku's pleadings. ''Anti Black Coat'' being Vanitas is likely, due to all the simmilarities and Vanitas being pure darkness at the core (Though, should this theory be true, it is likely that Roxas' friendships with Axel, Xion and the virtual Twilight Gang gained him a bit of Light), so it would make sense that he'd manifest as a Dream Eater within Sora's dreamworld. After all, Riku, too, manifested as a Dream Eater, albeit as a Spirit-Type, rather than a Nightmare. It would make sense that Roxas, sensing Riku trying to interfere, "beamed out", in order to stall for time while Sora succumbs to his BSOD. ''Anti Black Coat'' being slain by Riku means nothing. He might simply have disintegrated to return to the depths of Sora's subconcious... Where Riku later finds Roxas, alongside Ven and Xion.

 

 

 

Only time will show if this theory is true, but if it was it would be a genius move by Nomura to create a character that embodies "Dark Does Not Have To Be Evil": Making us sympatize with Roxas for 2 games and then spending an entire other game making us hate Vanitas, while leaving us unaware that the two of them are basically the same person would serve to create a character that perfectly shows one of the central points of the series: Evil does not equal Darkness. Evil is something that can be ''shaped'' within the Darkness.

* I'm not necessarily going against your theory, but I have two points to bring up. For one, Nomura said in an interview that {{spoiler|Vanitas's brief appearance was caused by Ven's heart within Sora (and the memories it held) resonating with the appearance of Young Xehanort.}} Two, your theory would imply that {{spoiler|upon creating his Nobody when he unlocked his heart with the Keyblade of People's Hearts and turned into a Heartless, not only did Sora's heart splinter, allowing Ven's heart to be released from it like Kairi's was, but Ven's heart subsequently split in half again, with the darkness that comprised Vanitas going straight to Roxas. It's not ''im''plausible given the nature of this series to begin with, but it does sound unlikely and/or contrived.}}

 

 

== In the Kingdom Hearts universe, "sleep" is equal to "death." ==

 

 

Nomura-sensei says "there is no concept of death" (or whatever the exact quote was) in Kingdom Hearts. Basically, he has no set afterlife or anything... no one's really died, they've just lost pieces of themselves or vanished, etc. Then 3D comes out and apparently takes place in the "World of Dreams," where we meet {{spoiler|the entire cast of TWEWY.}}

== Sora can {{spoiler|travel through time.}} ==

 

Who is with me betting that they will use that as a [[Chekhov's Gun]] against Xehanort during Kingdom Hearts 3?

 

# '''Master Xehanort:''' The original Xehanort and the mastermind behind all of his incarnations' actions.

# '''Young Xehanort:''' Master Xehanort in his youth, who traveled through time with the assistance of Ansem.

# '''Saïx/Isa:''' Member of the first Organization XIII.

 

 

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