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** Sora seriously needs to talk to a therapist, or barring that, [[Dollhouse|Echo and Alpha]].
** What I saw was that Xion was totally confirmed to no longer exist in any way. Sora's memories that composed her were reabsorbed into Sora and chained back into his heart correctly. I'll give you Roxas as maybe a separate person, but Ventus is murky. His heart was damaged by all the hullabaloo with Vanitas and so it let itself be absorbed by Sora's heart. Due to that, I think it'll take some doing to get Ventus's heart back up to unique person status.
** Sora does not have independent entities in him, though {{spoiler|Ven's heart}} might count, but besides his, the only time he ever housed anyone else was Kairi and that was only for a majority of [[KH 1]]KH1. Roxas and Xion are both a part of Sora and always were; they were never their own people, and despite what some fans would say, the same goes for Naminé to Kairi. It was a major plot point in KHII about how the nobodies aren't supposed to exist because they are a piece of other people, and it seems a majority of the [[Fan Dumb|fandom]] [[Selective Obliviousness|missed it]].
** When that "part of you that isn't supposed to exist" ''does'' begin to exist, and starts wandering around and thinking for itself, going so far as to angrily declare that "My heart belongs to me!", I think it's safe to say you've got an indepedent entity. What to ''do'' with it is [[What Measure Is a Non-Human?|an entirely different issue.]] Do we have a "What Measure Is A Split Personality" trope?
** Based on some of his decisions in II, I'd have to say Sora isn't quite in his right mind.
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** You do know there is a period of time between BBS and when they become Nobodies, right? If you don't want to take Nomura's word seriously, then go for it, but just know you'll probably be gobsmacked in the fandom for not believing him. Also, why wouldn't you believe him when he said they could come back, it's basically him saying "I could bring back any character I want". He's basically admitting to the ability to whore out his characters, instead of definitively saying they're gone forever.
** Though he does seem to lie and you should only take his word second only to what is in the games, you seem to be completely ignoring the in game fact that BBS takes place ten years before KHI, so it gives plenty of time for them to age before actually discovering heartless.
* Weird thing I just noticed. Nomura says that when a Heartless and Nobody are defeated by a Keyblade, they reform into the original person and that this happened to Ansem and Xemnas meaning Xehanort is back. He also stated that [[KH 3]]KH3 will be the final battle between Xehanort and Sora. This is all fine and dandy, but how is Xehanort back if his heart is inside Riku?
** Riku rejected it and expelled it when he transformed Soul Eater into Way To The Dawn.
*** Actually, Riku already had Way to the Dawn when he got to The Castle That Never Was. Xehanort's Heartless was wiped from Riku's heart when Ansem the Wise's Kingdom Hearts Encoder exploded.
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* What was the point of the whole "Everyone forgot that Sora exists" thing? They remember him almost as soon as he sees them again or they're reminded of him, and the people physically closest to him didn't forget him at all. Neither did the Organization, for that matter. It played no role in the plot whatsoever. So really, aside from adding in a few lines of dialog, what was the point?
** It wasn't just something they made up and dismissed for KHII; it was basically the whole plot of Chain of Memories.
* How come Sora becomes a lion in the Pride Lands, but Simba didn't become a human when he was summoned in [[KH 1]]KH1?
** Sora transforms in order to fit in where they are, so as to not raise suspicion. That wasn't necessary for Simba being summoned.
* Is there a canon reason for why the other five princesses of Heart didn't have Nobodies like Sora and Kairi do? If I remember and understand the games correctly, they all had their hearts removed (to make Riku's heart-unlocking keyblade in KHI) and then put back, which ought to have created all new Nobodies... or are they all plotting to be the villainesses in [[KH 3]]KH3? ^_^
** As I understand it, a Nobody is created when a Heartless is created, and you can only create a Heartless from a heart that has darkness in it. By definition, the Princesses of Heart have hearts of pure light. Ergo, no Heartless, and therefore no Nobody.
** Hmm... but Kairi did create the nobody Namine, yet made no heartless. Was it a fluke given that her heart was inside Sora's (a guy with a normal darkness possessing heart) body?