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=== This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. [[Just for Fun]] and silly guesses go on the [[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (Animeanime)/Silly/WMG|silly page]]. If a WMG is [[Jossed]], please move it to the [[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (Animeanime)/Jossed/WMG|jossed page]], if it is Confirmed, please move it to the [[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (Animeanime)/Confirmed/WMG|confirmed page.]] ===
 
''Please add new entries to the bottom of the page.''
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== Each Wolkenritter is based on a [[Public Domain Character]] ==
* Signum = [[Archangel Michael]] (leader role, [[Flaming Sword]], generally [[Playing Withwith Fire|associated with fire]], grows wings when in unison with Agito)
* Vita = [[Norse Mythology|Thor]] ([[Redheaded Hero]]+[[Fiery Redhead]], wields [[Drop the Hammer|a hammer]] that changes size, minus the lightning)
* Shamal = [[King Arthur|Lady of the Lake]] (apparently, in name only; I admit this is the weakest one)
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== Earth is only an [[Insignificant Little Blue Planet]] because there isn't native Lost Logia on the planet. ==
As we see in ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'', the general technology level is pretty much the same as the general population as Mid-Child. Magic is heavily regulated by the military, special clearance is required just to fly in a civilian zone; so it's not commonly used in public. Earthlings are capable of magic, they just never had to develop it. Why "Unadministrated?" Because the Time-Space Administration Bureau has it's hands full keeping societies that do know about Lost Logia away from the stuff. Introducing a population of 7 billion to [[The Multiverse]] means tourists, immigrants, and a possible small percentage (which would happen with any population) of the curious and/or malevolent getting into stuff they shouldn't. When there's finally a [[Mage in Manhattan]] situation which results in [[The Unmasqued World]], then they'll initiate official First Contact. Until then, they'll just recruit anyone who privately Awakens and absorb them into their society.
 
== ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]] the Movie First'' is a propaganda vehicle by the TSAB. ==
Well, we know from the Sound Stages that it's sponsored by the Bureau with Nanoha and Fate keeping their eye on it for 'factual accuracies'. This is also the reason why, instead of running gung-ho into earth like he did in the series, Yuuno informs the proper channels of TSAB first of his plan to retrieve the artifacts that were lost in earth in the supplementary manga. He would have set a bad precedent to anyone watching.
* Likewise, the "Emoha" aspect was played up to counter criticisms of their zealous recruitment policy. Even if a mage is still a Sleeper and not psychotic; having magic potential that isn't honed is mentally painful. Fate's horrific homelife also emphasizes how not being Administrated is a bad thing; and the TSAB is the best possible thing that could happen to young mages.
* Corollary: What Teana and Subaru are watching in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' is actually Nanoha The Movie 1st.
* [[Fridge Logic]]: Who is playing the young Nanoha and Fate, then? Or is the movie an [[All CGI Cartoon]] in-universe?
** The Sound Stages mention costumes and props for the movie, so presumably it's child actors who happen to look and sound ''a lot'' like the cast as kids.
 
 
== ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' is actually being written by [[Yukari Tamura]] ==
Remember her comment [http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/BPHaru3/RND/Fate_chan_is_a_prince_en.jpg in this interview]? Now take a look at the Takamachi household in ''ViVid''. Mmmm... suspicious. Of course, if this is true, we may see a case of [[Homosexual Reproduction]] sometime before the end of ''ViVid''.
* I can agree with this to a point since so far, there hasn't been any real sense of plot in this series. But as for that claim of [[Homosexual Reproduction]], it's doubtful that they'll get to that stage considering the current status quo of [[Hide Your Lesbians]].
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== Yuuno is [[The Man Behind the Man]] of the Takamachi family. ==
I haven't really got much to support this apart from my love of (Fate)Yuuha and the "fact" that [[The Man Behind the Man]] usually stays in the background, letting the [[Disc One Final Boss]] take centrestage. Also, [[In Soviet Russia, Trope Mocks You|on Earth, behind every successful man is a woman. On Mid-Childa, behind every successful woman is a man!]]
* This is an amazingly bitter theory, even if the poster submitted in jest or good-heartedness. It basically says that because Yuuno didn't get his [[Throw the Dog Aa Bone|bone]] like he "deserved"; then nothing Nanoha and Fate accomplished without him could have been done.
** Let's go all the way with this and see where it goes. So Nanoha and Fate are ''hiding'' Yuuno like a dirty little secret; being together with him...oh, one hour every two months or so; in a closet in the Infinite Library; and they've either not told Vivio about him at all; or somehow trained her not to talk about him. Using his amazing skills of training and mind control; he has manipulated and dictated their every action without anyone in the TSAB ever talking to him.
 
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== The TSAB is [[Yanks With Tanks|the US Coast Guard]] [[In Space|INSPACE]]. ==
They are a military style organization, there is no doubt about that. But they are basically a fantastic Coast Guard. Their job isn't to fight wars, it's to prevent crime and enforce laws that are beyond the scope of normal civilian and military duties. This may be the reason why their infantry [[Redshirt Army|sucks so bad]]...
* This seems likely of the Ground Forces. By ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' though the Air Force apparently [[Took a Level In Badass]]; this ''may'' be a reflection of a SWAT role or they're actually getting better. The Navy, though, seems prepared to fight a war if necessary.
 
== The various [[Alternate Continuity|Alternate Continuities]] (The main continuity, [[Triangle Heart 3 Sweet～sweet Songssongs Foreverforever～]] continuity, the Movie continuity, the Movie manga continuity, the A's portable game continuity) that the franchise is spouting will be revealed to be actual events in other dimensions, leading to all of them meeting each other sometime in the future ==
Well, why not? Think of the possiblities! Everyone realizing that [[The Movie]] events actually happened (with the implication that all stories that exist create their own dimensions)! Standard Nanoha meeting Emoha! Main continuity Hayate's reunion with {{spoiler|an alive (if depowered) Reinforce Eins}}! Finally figuring out which aspects of the Triangle Heart-verse was retained in the Nanoha-verse! Four Nanohas Starlight Breakering something to oblivion!
* Four Nanohas? [[Four Is Death|OH SHI--]]
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That would explain the obvious discrepancies between the Artificial Mages and Combat Cyborgs real and visible ages ''AND'' the sheer amount of [[Hot Mom|Hot Moms]] running around. Think Zest, for example: he was killed by Cinque in 0067 and then Scaglietti presumably cloned him, creating a baby!Zest (at least, that's how cloning works in [[Real Life]] and any moderately hard science fiction). Baby!Zest was then somehow artificially aged to his pre-death age before being implanted with memories from Real!Zest dissected brain, giving us the 35+ looking Zest in ''StrikerS'' (0075). Oh, and considering his best buddy Regius was 54 in ''StrikerS'', it is likely that Zest was only aged to a portion of his pre-death age, which makes sense since young body can take more damage.
 
As for the second part, it is blatantly obvious that all women on Mid-Childa use some magical means to maintain their beauty even when the age sets in (think Lindy and Leti). Wolkenritter are hardly a telling example but Signum is officially ''35'' in ''Force'' and still looks like twenty-something. But the most glaring example is probably Momoko Takamachi, Nanoha's mom, who is 47 in ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' but still has the looks she had in the original series. It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that Nanoha has been casting some de-aging magic on her family ever since she learned how.
* In the [[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Manga]], it's explicitly stated that the Wolkenritter do not age, and Vita will have to use transformation magic to prevent people on Earth from noticing this, while Signum and Shamal only have to change their hairstyles.
 
== Hayate is a [[Glass Cannon]] ''[[Willfully Weak|by choice]]'' ==
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== [[There Is Another|There are other pre-Belkan magical tomes]] with powers roughly on par with Reinforce. ==
Reinforce once said that she's "the happiest magical tome in the world". It could be just an [[Overly Narrow Superlative]], but it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that there are other Al-Hazard and Belkan relics lying across the dimensions.
* Maybe cliche, but I can see it now: A [[Light Is Not Good]] genuinely [[Complete Monster]] ([[Woman in White]])[[Man in White|man In White]] Tome of the Day/Morning Sky, complete with big frakkin' ball of light Angelic (or something) Emission to serve as an [[Evil Twin]] for the {{spoiler|[[Schrodinger's Cast|late?]]}} [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villainous]], [[Dark Is Not Evil]] Rein Eins.
* As things are going on in FORCE, by this point it looks like "The Book of the Silver Cross" is actually more powerfull(or at least more dangerous) than "The Tome of the Night Sky".
** Debatable. The BOD did not get to go to full world-killer mode before Hayate '''[[Mass Effect|ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL]]''', so we don't know what its full power really is. Admittedly, we don't know about the full power of Eclipse and the Silver Cross either yet.
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****** Only by that logic they would need to reclassify Teana grappler gun and Subaru first scates. I can't see difference.
******* The Strike Cannon uses magic ''as a power source'', it is not used to cast spells. Teana's Anchor Gun, and Subaru's skates are used to cast spells.
******* I don't see a problem: since Devices are very much like PCs, amateur-made ones like Teana and Subaru's are basically comparable to early personal computers of [[The Nineties]] running MS-DOS. Intelligent Devices are something like the latest model MacBook in terms of performance and comfort. And Strike Cannon is like a [[PSPlay Station 3]]: a portable supercomputer but only specialized for one task. That's the difference. Therefore, I don't think Nanoha will be using both Strike Cannon and Raising Heart simultaneously like Subaru did with her Devices: either one after the other, or by merging them in the [[Mecha Expansion Pack]] kind of way.
******** Only, you know... It's was Subaru that did exactly that - Revolver Knuckle(s) are interfaced through Mach Caliber, so de facto she uses one device and not two. And in article simultaneous use of RH and Strike Canon was explicitly stated - RH have new form for it, to act as support flying turret...
********* Yes, Subaru did, but Revolver Knuckle is an Armed Device (okay, a half of an Armed Device, but still), i.e. it is capable of independent operation, as well. Strike Cannon, on the other hand, probably just shoots things and blows them up, i.e. its complexity is much smaller. We have to wait for details, but I would imagine that Strike Cannon doesn't actually need to be synchronized with a particular mage, and anyone sufficiently powerful (read: Fate and Hayate), not just Nanoha would be able to glue it to their Devices with little trouble. Nanoha is just everyone's favorite guinea pig for testing new weaponry.
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== The [[Demoted to Extra]] status of Yuuno, Arf etc. is the result of a systematic [[Unperson|Unpersoning]]. ==
Obligatory crackpot conspiracy theory! It would explain why you have such ridiculous things such as Yuuno not being visible even in his own Library in ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]''.
* While Yuuno is conspicuously absent on the list of Vivio's important people, Vivio never goes to the ''Infinity'' Library in ViVid, only stopping by a normal library that may be the school library.
 
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* The Combat Cyborg project was adopted by Scaglietti, who only perfected it, while the prototype Type Zero cyborgs were created by another scientist. Who was he/she?
* An illegal secret research facility was experimenting on a Unison Device from the Ancient Belkan era in ''StrikerS''. Who created it?
* Someone leaked the supposedly top-secret information on both a Sankt Kaiser clone and Dark King Ixpellia's presence on Mid-Childa to Einhart Stratos in ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]''. Who was it?
* Another illegal secret research facility experimented on Lily Strosek, an {{spoiler|EC Reactor}}, in ''Force'', and wasn't above incinerating the intruder along with the evidence (and probably not above pinning their crimes on Hückebein). Who set it up?
 
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* Also, Caledfwlch Techniques is Their [[Front Organization]]. This way, then get ludicrous sums of money from the Bureau for AEC equipment development, get to test it on live targets, with the best beta-testers of the Burea, ''and'' when the zero hour comes, they can easily counteract their own AEC weaponry, would the Bureau try to use it against them. Also, if Caledwlch ''did'' secretly own the lab that Thoma trashed in chapter 1, it'd explain their ability to produce Anti-Eclipse weapons when nobody is supposed to know that much about Eclipse. It's a win-win situation for them.
* Now that I think of it, the Saint Church must have been working with them all along or was brought under their control between ''StrikerS'' and ''Force''. We all know that [[The Church]] tends to be the [[Anti -Magical Faction]] in normal circumstances. While the Saint Church rather atypically embraces magic, they do eschew ''Mid-Childan'' magic--in favor of Ancient Belkan one! Don't you see? The Church is a perfect front organization for the Belkan conspiracy, since if they are ever busted, they will just hide behind religion! The Church in fiction also often trains [[Mage Killer|Mage Killers]]--which is exactly what the Hucks are. Except that they obviously went rogue just like Scaglietti. The "nuns" that Veyron killed weren't really nuns but Church Knights sent to apprehend him--they shot first and he acted in self-defense! Also, why is it that we haven't seen even a glimpse of a Church clergy (except those nuns) in ''Force'' yet? Not even Carim, who ''had'' to be behind the Special Duty Section 6... unless she was [[Trouble Entendre|removed]].
 
== Nanoha and Hayate enjoy keeping Fate out of the loop for personal amusement ==
 
Her not knowing about Vivio's [[Older Alter Ego]] is not the only time this has happened; near the end of the ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl Lyrical Nanoha (Anime)StrikerS|Striker S]]]] manga, [http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS/14/21/ Hayate leads Fate to the final battle between the forwards and the captains without telling her what it is]. This could be the result of Fate being possibly the most serious and socially awkward of the three Aces, compared to the more cheerful Nanoha and the sometimes mischievious Hayate, making her reactions all the more amusing. Rather than it being a case of being so [[Married to Thethe Job]] that she doesn't hear about Vivio's ability to transform at will, Erio, Caro and Vivio most likely assumed Nanoha told her already and didn't say anything.
 
== Agito will be reminded of her promise to {{spoiler|kill Signum}} ==
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* ''But, before this, the ship of law that guards the many seas shall be torn apart.'' The [[Prophecy Twist]] itself, of course. But note the order the events take place in; the Cradle is supposed to be destroyed ''before'' the events of the second part, and since the Cradle is destroyed right at the end of ''StrikerS'', the second part of the prophecy can't have been fulfilled in that season.
** Wasn't Asura scheduled to be decomissioned at the beginning of ''StrikerS'' (hence Chrono getting a new ship)? The ''ship of law'' part might refer to her.
* ''The dead shall dance, and the tower of law in the central lands shall burn to the ground.'' Here comes the fun part; taken solely in the context of ''StrikerS'', "the dead shall dance" could be interpreted as Project F mages like Zest and Vivio running around, but outside that context it could also refer much more directly to ''[[Night of the Living Mooks|the Mariage]]''. Or maybe not; maybe it's just talking about Vivio and Ingvalt going on a date and hitting a night club or something. If it ''was'' referring to the Mariage, on the other hand, then the last part is most likely foreshadowing events in ''Force'' or ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]''.
 
== Lutecia's [[Emotionless Girl]] status was Quattro's fault... ==
...because unless Quattro has super brainwashing powers in addition to her IS, she couldn't have executed Lutecia's [[Villain Override]] unless Lulu had been tampered with somehow, possibly by turning her into a relic weapon (which would explain quite nicely how a ten-year old who isn't Hayate gets to be an S-rank mage). If Quattro had a chance to tamper with Lutecia for any reason, it would be perfectly in-character for her to play God with Lutecia's personality like she did with Sette, either to make her more pliable as a tool or [[For the Evulz|just because she could]]. This would also explain why Lutecia experienced such a dramatic personality shift between ''StrikerS'' and [[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]; without Quattro's tampering and with the TSAB probably getting her medical attention at some point in her captivity, whatever artificial changes Quattro imposed on her came undone, and her thought processes and personality naturally shifted back to their original state.
 
== Lutecia is an Artificial Mage ==
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== Megane was a DMG in her youth, and Quint was the MG who befriended her ==
[[Generation Xerox]], remember? Though, actually, this is inspired by Megane's flashback in the recent ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' chapter.
 
Basically, Megane was a DMG, Quint befriended her, they became <s>a couple</s> [[Just Friends]]. Since it was still the time when Magical Girls were supposed to marry, Quint married Genya for show but continued her relationship with Megane (then again, lesbian office affairs are ''obviously'' not a big deal on the Mid). Genya probably knew about and accepted it, which is why they didn't have any kids, but jumped at the chance to adopt Quint's clones. Also explains why rainbows are straighter than at least one of her "daughters". As for Megane's own daughter, see the above theory.
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== You can destroy a Huckebein with magic. You just need a lot. ==
[[Inception|You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.]] I was playing ''[[Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|Team Fortress 2]]'' the other day, using the Engineer, and a lines from his "Meet the Team" video came to me: "And if that don't work? Use more gun." That reminded me of this ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' fic, [[And If That Don't Work (Fanfic)|And If That Don't Work]], where the "more gun" is [[Useful Notes/From Russia With Nukes|From Russia With Nukes]]. That also made me think of ''[[Warhammer 40000]]'', where the [[Anti-Magic]] of Blanks can be [[No Sell|No Selled]] by sufficiently strong daemons or psykers.
 
Where am I going with this? Diabolic Emission. Ragnarok. Blaster Mode Exceed Max Starlight Breaker. [[Fantastic Nuke|Arc-en-Ciel.]] [[Up to Eleven|Multiple Arc-en-Ciels.]] Of course, unless the Huckies somehow cause the crossing of the [[Godzilla Threshold]], we might not see the Fantastic [[Nuclear Option]] in play.
* Bad comparisons. Both ''AITDW'' and ''40K'' have that option present in the source material (Ramiel and several other angels were killed without the use of an AT-Field in ''Eva''), but the Hucks have been presented so far as being utterly immune to all forms of magic. This was the whole point of having Cypha laugh off a direct hit from Signum in Unison with Agito -- and if you recall ''Karyuu Issen'', Unison Signum is close to Hayate's level of destructive power -- and as we've seen they can regenerate any damage they take. So it's ''possible'' they can be hurt by magic, but it is absolutely ''not'' cost-effective to bust out Blaster Mode just to give the Hucks a few bruises, and the Aces are just about the biggest guns the bureau has that are effective against man-sized targets.
** And aided by the fact of the Huckebein Warship being a giant-sized Divider capable of totally negate a giant beam the size of a Starlight Breaker coming from the Wolfram's(Hayate's assigned Warship) main weapon called "Augusto" while the Huckebein are preparing lunch.
** ... If Nanoha uses Starlight Breaker as an anti-personnel weapon then obviously you don't use a '''mere''' Starlight Breaker-scale weapon in space-naval combat. Comprehende, amigo? After all, [[Schlock Mercenary (Webcomic)|If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.]] I will concede, though, that the Bureau may not think the situation dire enough.
** There's a gaping hole halfway through the Saint's Cradle that would like a word with you, "amigo". Regardless, calling the Augusto a "Starlight Breaker-class" weapon is dubious at best, seeing how we never see what sort of damage it does to targets that aren't immune to magic. In all likelyhood it's a ''lot'' more potent than a "mere" SLB and the Hucks' ship didn't even twitch from a direct hit. There is still the Arc-en-Ciel but the bureau seems to have known about the Huckbein for a while now (hence the convenient availability of the AEC equipment) and if they didn't outfit the ''Wolfram'' with an Arc like they did for the ''Asura'' back in the Book of Darkness case, then it's probably because they don't think it will be effective. Either that or the heroes are trying to bring the Hucks in alive instead of atomizing them.
** Eclipse could well confer [[Up to Eleven|an even higher level of magic resistance]] than the AMF on board the Cradle. I'll concede, though, that the Bureau might want them alive. Either way, it seems that we won't be getting anywhere here until an Arc-en-Ciel actually gets fired at them.
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* In Yuuno's defense I can add the fact that the only two times a barrier created by him gets pierced in canon are first against Starlight Breaker Plus and then against the Triple Breaker, the first's a very powerfull spell with barrier piercing capabilities (as showed when it destroys Vita's barrier) and the second is the combination of the three more powerful character attacks at the time, any other time his shields and barriers have worked just fine, then again he's regarded as versatile but wasted character, not only because of the Razor Floss, he can also cast Struggle Bind (you know, those chains with dispelling abilities) and is capable of teleport targets agains their own will (a feat that even Shamal doesen't show to have). Sadly it's true that he can't catch up by the time of FORCE because almost all of his usefull spells are rendered useless now by the Huckebein, super-strong barriers are not of much help against someone who can simply negate them.
** Having his shields ''broken'' by a powerful spell doesn't make Yuuno special. If he'd ''blocked'' a Starlight Breaker at some point ''without'' his shields breaking that'd be one thing, but without an incident like that the best we've got is his fight against Vita, which isn't quite as impressive as most people make it out to be. Chain Bind's ability to do physical damage is nothing special, we see magic spells alternate between physical and non-lethal damage all the time, and while Struggle Bind is useful, it's not nearly enough for Yuuno to call himself a combat mage (when was the last time you saw a mage in this series cast one spell over and over again for an extended fight scene?). Forced teleportation is a neat trick, but its main use is as a delaying tactic when Yuuno is trying to run interference for someone, in cases such as pursuing a criminal or dueling a rogue mage its usefulness is significantly lessened.
** And this is exactly where the franchise fails to balance character potential, Yuuno can't be an effective direct fighter but can aid great support, the fail part is, support mages are really underrated in Nanoha. For example, Shamal who is claimed by some to be better at support than Yuuno gets quickly [[Demoted to Extra]] in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'', then on the same season comes Caro who use her support spells ONCE (to give Erio extra power to defeat a Gadget Drone Type III) and then only shine when summon her dragons(after Voltaire shows up Caro go full sommoner and less support for the rest of the series). It's only in recent chapters of ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' when support magic came to shine again with Caro and Lutecia (who did a better support role than Caro in ''StrikerS'') as fullbacks. In FORCE the situation already leaves any non walking-killing-machine character to the sidelines(and apparently it isn't any support mages among the new cast) so it's pretty clear that non-full combatants are never fully apreciated. Still, Yuuno doesn't fight Vita, he only stalls her while focused on destroying the barrier. Also there's nothing wrong with his shields been broken by SLB Plus and Triple Breaker, if had managed to block SLB that intantly would launch him to [[Game Breaker]] status(something the franchise trying to avoid at least in the past), the two aformentioned spells are used to defeat [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]], [[Dark Magical Girl|dark magical girls]] and cloned superpowerfull [[Crystal Dragon Jesus|Ancient Belkan rulers]] so it's plotwise understandable that Yuuno can't contain such powerful attacks, other than that is an example of a character who is only good on one thing but does really well on that.
*** I beg to differ. Lutecia's teleportation spells were instrumental in Jail's attack on the Ground Forces and Caro uses her support magic for all kinds of stuff (boosting Teana's illusions is a common trick). If all you can remember her doing is ''Twin Boost: Slash and Strike'', then you probably need to watch the series again. If Caro got shafted in ''StrikerS'', she got shafted for the same reason everyone else did (too many characters, not enough screentime), and ''not'' specifically because she was a support mage.
* Yuuno's problem is his personality. He's far too directly confrontational to be a good support mage. Shamal gets it and acts like a sniper, making sure her opponents are not aware of her until it's too late to react, concealing her presence on the field until she's needed. Unless the series steps it up to a consistantly lethal level where he (and Shamal) could cut loose with the [[Tele Frag]], Yuuno'll never be able to compete because he doesn't seem to know how to best play the role.
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== The Wolkenritter are actually getting weaker over the years ==
Think about it, in A's they start as nearly invulnerable war machines capable of withstand unholy amounts of punishment, on ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' we receive a clear statement that their resurrection powers and [[Healing Factor]] are starting to weaken, that and their powerlevel is pretty much the same after the 10 year [[Time Skip|gap]] between A's and ''StrikerS'' (except for all the [[Fusion Dance|Unison]] thing that didn't make much difference anyway), fortunately they still are able to cope with the current situation, and Vita shows that she's still capable of fight even after being [[Normally I Would Be Dead Now|stabbed across the chest]]. Then came FORCE and we see the(supposedly) strongest of them being [[Curb Stomp Battle|CurbStompped]] and fall uncounscicious after a simple impalement. They don't look so mighty now huh?
* Only if you're suffering from massive [[Fan Dumb]]. First of all, Agito gives Signum access to [[Incredibly Lame Pun|firepower]] that's nearly on Hayate's level -- if also restricted by a shorter range -- ''without the use of her full drive'' (Imagine what [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_strikers_the_comics/c015/27.html this] will look like after Agito powers it up). Second, what the hell is this ''nonsense'' about Signum being "supposedly" the strongest of the Wolks? Go back and reread [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_strikers_the_comics/c015/1.html the ''StrikerS'' manga epilogue] and watch Signum take a Blaster 1-boosted Shooting Star Assault ''and'' a Divine Buster at ''point blank range'' and come out ''relatively unscathed''. She's not just the strongest of the Wolkenritter, she's quite possibly the strongest fighter ''in the entire cast''. It took a weapon ''specifically designed'' to kill mages to put her down, and two attacks -- she was x-slashed across the chest, ''then'' impaled -- that were meant to ''kill'' her and quite clearly went ''right through her barrier jacket'' only ''knocked her out''. Now compare this to A's where she was challenged and fought on equal ground by a AAA-rank loli. [[Sarcasm Mode|Yeah, she's totally gotten weaker over the years, hasn't she?]]
** Also, I think the destruction of Laevatein hit her with some kind of backlash, if only psychological, leaving her stunned for a moment. While I agree that the Wolkies are definitely more fragile now that they aren't powered up by the [[Tome of Eldritch Lore]] ''cum'' [[Eldritch Abomination]], I see no reason to believe that their [[Power Levels]] are degrading over time.
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*** You need to remeber that Cypha clearly states that bladed weapons are useless against a "reacted" Eclipse Driver, i agree that Laevatein's demise had something to do with the [[Anti-Magic]] thing, but also Signum and then Cypha clearly make note of the toughness of the latter's body before(fissuring Laevatein but maiming Cypha) and after(when Cypha block and destroys Laevatein with her own body without any physical damage ...or even [[Clothing Damage]] whatsoever) the mentioned "reacting", So far the AEC-Equipement is not perfected yet, but still none of them relies mainly on "slashing" attacks(save for Fate but she's justified by wielding an upgraded Bardiche with energy powered blades).
*** Dude, you are ''[[Fan Dumb|way]]'' too determined to come up with reasons why Signum is suffering [[Badass Decay]]. [[Single-Issue Wonk|As usual]]. First of all [[Did Not Do the Research|you're wrong]] about none of the AEC weapons using solid blades, Nanoha's Fortess Mode has configurations for arm-mounted blades in both solid-state and energy forms, and IIRC the Strike Cannon comes with a solid-blade configuration for melee combat. Yeah, she's not relying on them as her primary weapons, but if they're ''completely useless'' against the Hucks then why put them in at all? Answer: ''they're not'', because they're not ''magical'' blades. Second, [[Fridge Logic|why on Earth would a reacted state give the Huckbein protection against slashing damage but not piercing or blunt force trauma?]]
*** First of all, i'm more critic and less ranting by now. Back on topic, i say that AEC weapons don't rely MAINLY on blades, not that they don't include it, still the blades are not very effective(as Erio's Strike Cannon demonstrates while pitted against Deville's Axe on Chapter 9.5), if Nanoha's ones are more effective is yet to be seen(and for all instances Laevatein's even without magic is clearly a big metal sword that was pitted against other durable materials on various ocassions, only damaged for the first time after hitting something as hard as Cypha's body). As for the last thing about piercing/blunt force(showed by Veyron's bleeding after being Strike Cannon'd by Erio) i can think of any better than ..uhm... [[New Powers Asas the Plot Demands|Less Powers as the Plot Demands]] perhaps?
*** Not effective against the dividers themselves, maybe. Go back to Touma's fight with Veyron in chapter 4, notice that Veyron is parrying Touma's bladed attacks with his own divider instead of his arm. I'm very much inclined to think that when Cypha said she was immune to blades, she was referring specifically to melee-type devices -- those being the only blades that see use in this series -- meaning that neither Belkan nor Mid-Childan magic will work on the Hucks, not that she has some additional resistance to physical damage that none of the other Hucks have for some bizarre reason.
*** I agree with most of that except for the fact that Veyron doesen't have a divider of his own(the one he uses is from someone else), because of that is logical to assume(but still debatable) that he dosen't even have a reactor, still their ridiculously powerfull [[Healing Factor]](allowing them, or at least Cypha, to regenerate lost members in matter of seconds with no visible effort) made them to be very hard tu kill by using cutting weapons(i run with the theory that it's easier to regenerate a lost limb than "repair" a badly crushed or bruised one, with fissured bones and all the like).
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*** The "significant" damage you're talking about is a modest hole on a wall and it takes not only Nanoha's Striker Cannon but also Vita's War Hammer to actually acomplish that, oh, and the damage is start to regenerate quickly(Yes, the Huckebein's Warship also have the same ridiculous [[Healing Factor]] that Cypha posseses) i fail to see why that can be considered being "perfectly effective". I agree on Subaru's Sword Breaker tough(is the only AEC that don't suck thus far).
*** No, the significant damage I'm talking about is a hole in a layer of freaking '''starship armor''', and the Cannon has enough oomph behind it to rock the ship even without Vita's assistance. The weapons are perfectly effective because they fulfill their intended roles; they are effective against the Huckbein (effective in the sense of "can hurt them", not "can reduce them to mincemeat just by being nearby" as you probably interpreted it) and allow a mage to fight an Eclipse Driver without getting [[Curb Stomp Battle|WTFPWNED]] in one hit like Signum was. Any shortcomings they possess currently will be addressed with fine-tuning and upgrades over the course of the rest of the season. And in regards to the AECs "sucking", for all your talk of not ranting anymore you're very quick to dismiss them as weapons despite the fact that we've barely seen them used at all and they've been clearly indicated to be incomplete. I would strongly suggest that you keep your opinions to yourself until you have enough information to make an ''informed'' opinion, i.e. when we've seen the inevitable Full Drive equivalents and seen the AEC devices performing at their maximum capabilities. ''Then'' you'll be qualified to say whether they suck or not.
*** When it's true that there's not much information to say the AEC weapons suck there's also no evidence of their supposed "effectiveness", sure they usefull in keeping their wielder alive(sorta), but the fight aboard the Huckebein's Warship can barely be described as "even". If we talk about plot developement, this new upgrades are failed to made a big impact like their predecesors(if this are the writer's intentions i don't know), when the upgrades in A's can't defeat the Wolkenritter still shows to be capable of equal the grounds between their masters and such formidable foes. Same in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' when RF6 finally [[Let's Get Dangerous|got serious]] and start to actually turn the tables on Jail's, before that the trope was masterfully avoided with the Wolkenritter that, despite having the exact same powerset as the last season, are perfectly capable of kick ass, i fail to get that atmosphere here in FORCE(probably with the Fortress Mode that finally can change but at the moment neither of the new, shinny, highly promoted weapons are able to do that). But, i agree with you that this is becoming too large, and we have distanced form the original topic that is about the Wolkenritter's credibility as warriors(i think Signum loss a good deal of credibility after this), from this point i only respond to commentaries related to the topic. If you want to state a point about something else, post a new WMG.
** And that's if the story didn't end once she gets it, or if the author wants to give her one at all. Since this is [[Expy|Expying]] the events in SRW OG, there's always a chance that Cypha would bite the dust first before Signum gets hers.
** If the story ends once Signum gets her AEC equipment, it'll be because Signum pulled a [[Big Damn Heroes]] [[Dynamic Entry]] and one-hit-KO'd the [[Big Bad]] and/or the entire Huckbein team. I've seen that "Signum = Lamia, Cypha = Juergen" train of logic used to explain why Signum is suffering [[Badass Decay]], and I invite anyone who believes such rot to reread the last few lines of my first point up there; when you're done, consider the notion that [[Memetic Badass|Signum can even endure a curbstomp in a badass fashion]]. The Blazing General will suffer [[Badass Decay]] the same day Sanger Zonvolt does.
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* I wouldn't be so quick to make Veyron's parrying of Tohma's attacks a reason for claiming that he's that much weaker. Remember that [[The Law of Diminishing Defensive Effort]] has been averted before with Rein Eins still using barriers even though she can shrug off crap thrown at her perfectly fine without them. I will concede that I have no explanation for the bleeding, though.
 
== Force's [[Darker and Edgier]]-ness will be cemented with a [[Back for Thethe Dead]]. ==
A strong way of cementing the "this isn't the light stuff it used to be" feel would be to bring back one of the [[Demoted to Extra]] characters and kill him/her off.
* I think that it was already cemented by bringing back one of [[Lady of War|the]] [[Playing Withwith Fire|most]] [[Badass|awesome]] [[Lightning Bruiser|characters]] this franchise have and [[The Worf Effect|beat]] [[Worf Had the Flu|the]] [[Curb Stomp Battle|tar]] [[Hero-Killer|out of]] [[Defeating the Undefeatable|her]] and left her [[Near-Death Experience|near death]].
 
== Regius Gaiz wanted the Combat Cyborgs to fight the Huckebein. ==
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*** And what the Wolkies themselves want is not an issue at all? Remember, they have sworn to protect Hayate as far back as ''A's'', and that's not an oath you can break without compomising your very self. In one way or another, they ''had'' to be at her side during a crisis this big, and it's better to have them armed for this occasion. More than anything, what happened to Signum shows the [[Never Split the Party|dangers of splitting the team]] (in more ways than one).
*** Exactly, they definetly not the kind of people who retreats when they have something important to do, also i think Signum's demise is supossed to indicate the fate that awaits for ANY mage that attempts to confront([[So Last Season|without]] the [[Mid-Season Upgrade|new toys]]) the Huckebein, not just the Wolkenritter. Also we must admit that despite all the claims over the matter, Signum put up a hell of a fight to an otherwise invincible opponent.
**** They've been deployed separately from Hayate before. ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' did it quite a lot and the preceding manga actually had the Wolkenritter as part of different units from Hayate. For that matter, their personal feelings are irrelevant. Duty first is the air the Wolkenritter breathe and how they got through life before Hayate. The would have sworn an oath of service like any other Bureau member. If they're ordered, particularly by Hayate, not to do something, then they will not do it.
***** Let's just that we have different character interpretations. When the Wolkies were deployed separately, Hayate was never in particular danger. Now, the Hucks are a danger to every mage in the multiverse, so naturally, they want to be by her side. And as for their oath... I think your misunderstand something: they are with TSAB because Hayate is. It is true that they wanted to repent for their crimes after A's (see SS03), but their first and foremost desire is to spend the rest of their lives with Hayate (see ''StrikerS'' episode 18, I think, where her conversation with Shamal reveals that they are not longer immortal). Oh, and by the way, they also kinda have a record of ignoring Hayate's direct orders if they think it will save her life.
** Arf mentions in the ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' manga and Sound Stage M2 that, apparently at Fate's suggestion, she retired from active duty and now does chores around the Harlaown house while looking after Chrono and Amy's kids (and apparently also has spent a fair amount of time around Erio and Caro), saying that Fate is strong enough to protect herself and is no longer alone. Similarly, while Hayate's magic is such that she's almost useless in single combat and only reaches her full potential in a group, her subordinates can provide support, which is why she can serve separate from the Wolkenritter if necessary, calling them together for major threats like Scaglietti and the Huckebein.
 
== Erio is secretly the best card of Section Six in FORCE. ==
By ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' he's able to outclass Fate on both speed and skill(by catching up with her Sonic Form all by himself and nearly taking her down without breaking a sweat). Only God knows how much awesome the guy has become two years after, probably him receiving a Strike Cannon is an excuse to not let himself cut loose on the Huckebein at Mach 5.
* After Fate had a power limiter put on herself, and was fighting 2-on-1, I should note. The Hucks have no such handicap.
** It's noted that the power limiter is given out to the "adults", which is a somewhat vague term (it's unclear whether it includes just Nanoha and Fate, or the Forwards, Lutecia and Nove), but it could be of different strength, as while Nanoha and Fate's limiters reduce them two ranks in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'', Hayate's takes her down by four.
*** Potentially [[Jossed]], at least so far; {{spoiler|Curren takes him down almost effortlessly, along with Vita}}. Subaru seems poised to be the "best card," at least as far as dealing with Touma goes.
 
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* Religion: Religion is not abandoned altogether, but put into service of the state, with only one ideology propagated across the worlds, even where TSAB is not present yet.
 
** That doesn't quite work. We see monetary transactions with the devices doubling as [[Mundane Utility|credit cards]] in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]''.
The Saint Church would disagree with the statement that there is no religion on Mid-Childa and as for Politics--the show deals primarily wtih military and police matters, so a lack of focus on elections or other leaders is not surprising. Hell, there are the {{spoiler|[[Man Behind the Man|brains in the jars]] [[Government Conspiracy|controlling things from behind the scenes]]}} to worry about too.
 
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== There's going to be a bronze or platinum cross Belkan book. ==
The Night Sky's cross was gold. The Silver Cross is [[Exactly What It Says Onon the Tin]]. Therefore, to keep the pattern of precious metal-coloured crosses going, I think you can see what will have to come.
 
== Nanoha will develop reverse [[Glam of Shazam|Adult Mode]] magic ==
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* They won't let her. She would wipe the floor with pretty much everyone thanks to her vast real combat experience--just like she did with Einhart during their training. Plus, she [[Veteran Instructor|made a career]] <s>wiping the floor with</s> cooling the heads of wannabe mages for their own good. Even the reduced mana output of a child's body won't do much to diminish her power, since she was already a AAA ranked mage in ''A's''. Face it: not even Vivio can beat Loli!Nanoha.
 
== Ixpellia will wake up sometime during ''[[ViMagical VidGirl (Manga)Lyrical Nanoha ViVid|Vi Vid]]'' ==
[[Expy|If Vivio is Irui]], then Ixpellia is probably [[Super Robot Wars ImpactCompact 2|Alfimi]], both of them being high-placed units of great importance in their respective armies of darkness, but not being fully in control of their minions. Using this comparison and taking it to its logical conclusion, there are two possible outcomes: either Ixpellia follows the ''Impact'' route and stays comatose for the rest of the story, or she takes the ''Original Generations Gaiden'' route and wakes up after a brief absence from the plot. Either of these routes could work for the story, and yet the artists keep cutting back to characters taking care of Ixy, talking about visiting her, etc... [[Chekhov's Gunman|as if to make sure we don't forget she's there...]]
* Don't forget that ''ViVid'' is essentially a fighting story, and Ixy has never been a good fighter, as far as we know.
* "As far as we know" is not very far at all, considering that she's had all of about two scenes or so, neither of them animated. She definitely doesn't ''like'' to fight, but that doesn't mean she ''can't'', or that she wouldn't be averse to recreational combat that doesn't involve all-out warfare and armies of cyborg zombies killing everything in their path. It's a moot point anyways, since Ixpellia could just as easily be a spectator as a participant and still be involved in the plot.
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== Agito's original intended user was Signum in ancient Belka ==
Or at least the person that the Signum Program installed in the Tome of the Night Sky/Book of Darkness was based on. Think about it, Agito's title is Sword Spirit of Blazing Flame, and she mentions in ''[[StrikerMagical SGirl (Anime)Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]] Sound Stage 03'' that her original "lord" was probably a sword fighter. Now, Signum is a sword fighter, and the first special move we see her do in the series is power up her sword with fire. Also, they go well together, Zest mentions that after the first time they fight. And Signums origins are certainly old enough, and Agito is apparently so old that everyone she doesn't remember have been dead for hundreds of years (at least that's the impression she gives.
* There is a nearly identical theory on [[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (Animeanime)/Open One/WMG|Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]].
 
== Caledfwlch Techniques or someone within the company is the true villain of ''Force'' ==
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== The Huckebein are not intended to be the Wolkenritter's [[Evil Counterpart|Evil counterparts]], but their [[Hostile Show Takeover|replacement]] instead ==
According to a theory recently commented. Given the not so subtle similarities between the two groups and the results of the direct confrontation between it's members(specially Hayate and Signum's battles) It's more or less stablished that the Huckebein is an improved version of the Wolkenritter on their debut(crueler and stronger). The amount of attention and screentime Tsuzuki is giving them, and the fact that they stablished their superiority by utterly trouncing mostly Yagami family members([[Put Onon a Bus|effectively putting Signum on a bus for example]]), makes the sentsation that the plot ir riding of them on purpouse to cement their dethroning as a [[Badass Family]] at the hands of the Huckebein.
 
== Subaru will Befriend Stella. ==
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== Signum is actually scared of Cypha ==
Think about it, she was very shocked when [[Wrecked Weapon|Laevateinn got destroyed]], enough to let Cypha cross-slashing her, then she allowed herself getting [[Impaled Withwith Extreme Prejudice|impaled]] even when she's supposedly a determinated [[Blood Knight]]. But the real kicker came with her reaction upon recovering counciousness: She completely ignored what just happened and act without a bit of motivation in pursuing a rematch with an opponent strong enough to almost kill her. She instead [[Stepford Smiler|becomes all smiles]], a notorious change for someone who is cannonly described as someone who [[Blood Knight|really enjoy battles]]. Considering how easily Cypha trounced her and how Signum described herself as being nothing more than an old fashioned knight, it's not strange for her to feel afraid of the Huckebein top swordswoman.
* She probably recognized that if she even showed fear and regret about the loss, it would severely demoralize the whole team. She recognized the defeat, but she'll not let her emotions and fear get the best of her, so she's been hiding it. Or not, considering on how she instantly sparred with Tohma to get some idea on how to fight [[Mage Killer]] weapon. In other words, she might not ignore what just happened, but she'd rather not let the others know her worry or else it demoralizes the whole squad.
* At least that can be interpreted as a confirmation of this WMG. Signum is [[Can't Catch Up|pretty councsious she's at horrible disadvantage]] in front of [[Smug Super|Cypha]] and basically any [[Super Mode|fully reacted]] [[Story-Breaker Power|EC Driver]]. Her usual combat style that credited her as a [[Lightning Bruiser]] got totally destroyed by the new rules of the setting, she can fight but [[Fragile Speedster|isn't able to deal lasting damage to a Huckebein and she can't stand even one hit from almost any of them]], her trusty companion is repaired but [[So Last Season|hasn't received any upgrades]] so she more likely will receive a totally different AEC-weapon that she's not used to fight with(and if we go by the [[Scrappy Weapon|showed quality of blades on AEC-equips]], i'll say it won't be as trusty as Laevatein xDU). Plus, she's fully councsious that she's now even ''weaker'' than when she confronted Cypha the first time, her body wasn't able to fully recover and is even implied that she may suffer permanent sequels because of that last impalement that go directly through her guts injuring her spine. Her fangs are broke and she know it, that's why she's suddenly modest and calm. It could be very justified for her to feel afraid of the Eye-Patched monster that puts her on that situation.
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The people of El Hazard seem to have a form of [[Sufficiently Advanced Technology]], including two weapons of mass destruction (a Death Star expy and an artificial-mage-slash-android wielding what's basically an [[Command and Conquer|ion cannon]] in staff form). The drill-tipped buildings in the TOS imagery are reminiscent of the [[Arabian Nights]]-style architecture.
 
== Curren's abilities are similar to [[Fate/stay Stay Night (Visual Novel)night|UBW]] ==
She uses a katana(or a shorter version, possibly a wakizashi) to shank Hayate in the back and dispatch Vita and Erio before commenting that the blade was not as tough as the opponent's weapons after it breaks. later, we see her wielding a different kind of sword (a rapier) without any mention of why she prefers wielding different swords. Since she is one of the few members of Huckebein who's abilities have not been revealed, it can be guessed that her primary offensive ability is to create replicas of swords. It could also be theorized that she can replicate her allies' unreacted dividers if she so pleases.
 
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