Marth Debuted in Smash Bros: Difference between revisions

...and then, for whatever reason, Product B manages to come out in a new market ''before'' Product A does. Meaning that the characters of Product A get their debut... in a product that isn't theirs at all. This causes people to assume that an [[Easter Egg]] character from Product B got their own spinoff in the form of Product A.

 

 

Sometimes an example of [[Tropes Are Not Bad]], since this can drum up interest in the game or series in question, causing it to be localized. The [[Trope Namer]] is one of these positive examples.

 

== Anime & Manga ==

* This occurred to ''[[Mazinger Z]]'' in large parts of Europe and the Middle East; ''[[UFO Robo Grendizer]]'' was translated and shown in countries such as Italy and France first, and when ''Mazinger'' finally aired in response to the surprise popularity of ''Grendizer'', it was seen as a '''cheap knockoff''' of ''Grendizer'', especially since Kouji Kabuto, the hero of ''Mazinger'', appears in ''Grendizer'' in a supporting role (despite the series sort-of-not-really being a direct sequel.) This was exacerbated even further because [[Macekre|Kouji's name was somewhat unnecessarily changed between the two shows]], making people think that "Kouji Kabuto" was a bad knockoff of Duke Fleed's buddy "Alcor".

** Technically ''Grendizer'' beat ''Mazinger'' to American airwaves as well, but due to [[Macekre|name changes and the like]] the phenomenon went unnoticed.

* This was even worse, and weirder, for ''[[Raideen]]'', ''Danguard'', and ''[[Combattler V]]''. They were part of the "Shogun Warriors" toy set Mattel introduced into the States in the late 70s - which also included bizzaro versions of Mazinger and the various [[Getter Robo|Getters]], so if you really want to stretch the trope you could say that a lot of robots "debuted" as oddly huge toys - but the cartoons weren't licensed for American release. Oh no, that would be logical. Instead, the likenesses of the Raideen, Danguard and Combattler robots were licensed to, of all people, ''[[Marvel Comics]]'' for the creation of a Shogun Warriors American print comic. That eventually featured, among other things, ''Combattler fighting alongside the Fantastic Four against the gigantic robot minion of, basically, the Star of David''. Really, you couldn't make up something like this [http://www.option38.com/comics/80s/shogun_warriors_19.asp if you tried.] Raideen and Combattler's shows never made it to America (well, ''Raideen'' aired in three cities on local Japanese language commmunity channels, but the majority of the Union and 99% of the public never got to see the show); Danguard eventually made it to American TV with the franchise name intact as part of the syndicated ''[[Force Five]]'' cartoon package (alongside Grendizer from above), after the toys and comic went out of production.

* ''[[Kinnikuman]]'' - While neither, the original manga nor anime were licensed for the US, toy company Mattel did sell a toyline of ''Kinnikuman'' figures under the name of ''M.U.S.C.L.E.'' When the sequel series, ''Kinnikuman Nisei'', was later adapted to the US, the title was changed to ''Ultimate Muscle'' in order to tie the series with Mattel's figures.

* ''[[Dragon Ball]]'s'' aborted first syndication run (which cuts off at the end of the Emperor Pilaf arc), meant that every one of Goku's fellow Z-Warriors (with the exception of Yamcha) were introduced to American viewers when ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' debuted.

** Who here was familiar with ''[[Doctor Slump]]'' before Goku and General Blue visited Penguin Village?

** ''Fusion Reborn'' was released in North America in March 2006. Before that, the video game ''Budokai 3'' had Gogeta as a playable character in 2004, and 2005's ''Budokai Tenkaichi'' had Gogeta and the movie's antagonist, Janemba. Gogeta was also in the game ''Ultimate Battle 22'', but they tried to cover it up by calling him Vegito (another fusion). ''Budokai 3'' also came out a few months before ''[[Dragon Ball GT]]'' ended, so it additionally spoiled Omega Shenron and Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta. The aforementioned Gogeta is also playable in his Super Saiyan 4 state from the end of GT, making him a double spoiler.

** ''Raging Blast 2'' averts this with Hatchiyack, since the game comes with a remake of the anime special he debuted in. However, it's played straight with Tarble, from the yet-to-be-dubbed ''Son Goku and his Friends Return''.

* ''[[Bleach]]'s'' fourth movie introduced a character named [[Bleach Movies|Kokuto]] who would later go on to appear in the videogame ''Bleach: Soul Ignition''. Nothing wrong here; the movie wouldn't be dubbed for a good few years and the game would probably never see the light of day outside of Japan ([[No Export for You|As is, sadly, the case with most Bleach videogames]]). ''Then, however'' comes the news that N.I.S America are releasing the game in the West under the slightly modified title; ''Bleach Soul Resurrección''. And apart from the name and the opening theme song which had to be changed due to [[Screwed by the Lawyers|licensing issues]], everything was left intact, ''including Kokuto'', even going as far as to giving him an [[Travis Willingham|English voice]]. Given that his backstory was not given in the game and at this point, there wasn't even a [[Fan Sub]] of the movie available yet, a standard reaction to unlocking him is "Who the [[Stealth Pun|Hell]] is Kokuto?"

* The entire cast of ''[[Wangan Midnight]] Maximum Tune'', an arcade game released worldwide, comes from the manga and anime series ''Wangan Midnight''. Despite the former first being serialized in 1992, [[No Export for You|neither the manga nor the anime have seen an official release outside of Japan]].

* Many playing ''Pokémon Pinball'' outside of Japan when it first came out probably didn't realize that the tune that plays during the "capture" mode is "Mezase Pokémon Masutaa", the original opening to the Pokémon anime.

** Same deal with the ''[[Mega Man Battle Network]]'' side game ''Network Transmission''. If you happen to have seen the anime in Japanese, you'll get the intended thrill when, at a key moment, the game busts out an instrumental version of "Kaze wo Tsukinukete" (the show's first opening theme).

* In ''SSBM'', there were several trophies that came from ''[[Custom Robo]]''. The series eventually made it to North America in 2004 and PAL regions in 2007.

* The ''[[Robot Wars (TV series)|Robot Wars]]'' game ''Arenas of Destruction'' featured Terrohurtz amongst its robots. The game was based on the 4th season, and Terrohurtz would not appear until the 5th (which didn't start until after the game was released).

** Similarly, ''Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: [[Endless Frontier]]'' is the North American debut of Reiji and Xiaomu, the protagonists of ''[[Namco X Capcom]]''.

* The first robots from ''Warrior Mech Gauss'' shown to international audiences were trophies in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''.

** He finally made his first American appearance in 2009, with the DS game (which was actually the fifth game in the series).

* Fans of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' often insist that certain details about the characters, such as Tails' [[Gadgeteer Genius]] skills and Eggman's goofiness first appeared in ''Sonic Adventure''. In reality, this was actually a case of [[All There in the Manual]] mixed with [[No Export for You]], as the Japanese manuals and supplemental material revealed these facts from the start. There were hints in-game, however, such as Tails' mechanical know-how in ''[[Sonic Triple Trouble]]'' or ''[[Tails Adventure]]'' (he has a personal submarine, for one thing). Even more notably, in ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog 2]]'', Tails fixed Sonic's plane, the Tornado, by affixing a jet beneath it when it was shot down at the start of Wing Fortress Zone, and in such a short amount of time as to be ready to pick Sonic up at the end of the stage ''no more than ten minutes later''.

** Don't forget that Banjo, star of the later title [[Banjo-Kazooie]], also debuted in Diddy Kong Racing. Tiptup appeared in BK too.

** Timber was also supposed to have his own game after DKR, with Bumper and Pipsy as his sidekicks.

 

== Rhythm Game ==

 

== Role Playing Game ==

* A rather notorious example in SSB is Lucas in ''Brawl''. Fans have been hollering for a ''[[Mother 3]]'' release ever since it came out in Japan and Nintendo pointedly ignored them... and then Lucas was put into ''Brawl'', and some of his Subspace Emissary missions were spoilers for ''M3''. This remains a sore spot with a lot of Nintendo fans.

** Before him, Ness from ''[[Earthbound]]'' has been in all three ''Smash Bros.'' games despite his own game never being released in Europe.

* Some of the cast of the first and second ''[[Atelier]]'' games finally appeared in America... in the Gust game ''[[Ar tonelico]]'', in a bonus level of the dream states for the heroines. This happened nearly ''ten years'' after the debut of the first ''Atelier'' game. The characters finally made their solo debut in the Western market in manga form, but the ''Atelier'' games that ''Ar Tonelico'' referenced still aren't out in the States.

** This has gotten even more ridiculous and more Marth-like with the game ''[[Cross Edge|X Edge]]'' (pronounced "Cross Edge"), which has been released by NIS America in late May 2009. It's the full-on console debut for Marie, the first ''Atelier'' heroine, in a SSB-style crossover game... that wasn't produced by, and isn't distributed by, ''her own home company''.

** Don't forget Eugene and Annie from ''[[Tales of Rebirth]]''. Their American debut was in 2007 in [[Tales (series)|Tales of the World: Radient Mythology]], ''3 years'' after [[Tales of Rebirth|ToR]] came out in Japan. It has yet to arrive in the USA and I doubt it ever will...

** Can't forget that ''[[Tales of Symphonia]]'' was actually intended as a prequel to ''[[Tales of Phantasia]]''. ''Symphonia'' was localized at least a year before ''Phantasia''.

** ''Tales of Graces f'' will have three of these upon its western release in the forms of Veigue Lungberg (''Tales of Rebirth''), Reala (''Tales of Destiny 2'') and Kohak Hearts (''Tales of Hearts''). None of whom have had their games released outside of Japan.

* A peculiar ''intra-series'' instance of this involves the ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' series. The games tend to reuse themes, but Western audiences were denied several of the original games for quite a while. So, for example, while practically every game has "Gysahl Greens", the place it's named after wasn't seen until ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' was finally released for the Nintendo DS in 2006, a full ''sixteen years'' after its 1990 release in Japan and nine years after Gysahl Greens first were seen in the West in ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]''.

** ''[[Final Fantasy III]]'' is especially prone to this as it wasn't released outside of Japan until the DS remake. This led to many elements first introduced here being assumed to have debuted in later games, such as [[Summon Magic]], Moogles and the Job Change system.

== Shoot Em Up ==

* Barely averted with fellow assist trophy Saki Amamiya. His game ''[[Sin and Punishment]]'' was made available to Americans on the Virtual Console mere months before Brawl's release, more than seven years after its initial Japanese release.

** Similarly, the [[Sega Superstars]] series have also renewed popularity in and brought about a new generation of fans for [[Space Channel 5]] , [[Fantasy Zone]] , [[Jet Set Radio]] , [[Samba De Amigo]] and [[Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg]] .

 

 

== Technology ==

** North American debut, too, although it was only about four months on this side of the Atlantic.

** It should be noted that, when licensing the Game Boy Camera for English-speaking countries, Nintendo went out of its way to avoid this trope by [http://tcrf.net/Game_Boy_Camera/Regional_Differences#Wild removing] ''Pokemon''-themed picture frames... making it all the more odd that they left the ''Pokemon'' stamps in, thus playing this trope straight.

 

== Turn Based Strategy ==

** Roy actually ''did'' debut in ''Melee'' - his own game hadn't come out yet in Japan when the game was released, and his inclusion (and possibly Marth's as well) was meant to promote the upcoming game. His game never even made it to America, who instead got the prequel starring his father Eliwood. For Europe and Australia, however, this is a straight example, as ''Melee'' came out there a few months after ''The Sword of Seals'' was released in Japan.

** Technically, Marth debuted in the USA (as "[[Spell My Name with an "S"|Mars]]") when the ''Fire Emblem'' OVA was released, in 1997.

** As it stands, Ike is the only playable ''Fire Emblem'' character that avoids this all together, even having a second game before his ''Smash Bros''. debut.

* ''[[La Pucelle]]'' didn't receive an English localization until the American success of ''[[Disgaea]]''. This resulted in Prier first appearing as a [[Bonus Boss]] cameo in ''Disgaea'', before appearing in her own game. Worse, her appearance in ''Disgaea'' spoils a plot point of ''[[La Pucelle]]''.