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See also:

* [[Capcom vs. Whatever/Awesome Music|Awesome Music - Capcom vs. Whatever]]

* [[Capcom vs. Whatever/Memes|Memetic Mutation - Capcom vs. Whatever]]

 

* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]: To date, ''MvC3'' has been producing a ''Biblical flood'' of these moments:

** The announcement of the game.

** Pretty much any character announcement generally caused this.

** The amount of references to Yipes' [[Memetic Mutation]] lines, from the "Mag-freakin-neto" and "Mango Sentinel" color schemes to Deadpool's winquote against Magneto, caused quite a few fans to cheer.

** As of March 22, 2011, Sentinel's health was officially nerfed from 1.3M HP to 905K.

** '''[[Galactus]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_r23inl7o is playable in] ''Ultimate.'''''

* [[Broken Base]]: Simply put, the fanbase as a whole is [[Broken Base|a bit divided.]]

** [http://www.newsarama.com/games/marvel-vs-capcom-3-preview-interview-110201.html An interview to Seth Killian made by Newsarama] becomes ironic when it was confirmed that Iron Fist and Ghost Rider are playable in ''UMvC3''. A snippet:

** The ''existence'' of ''UMvC3'' is a point of contention for the fanbase. In one corner, you have fans decrying an [[Updated Rerelease]] being announced no less than ''five months'' after the original game's release; the other side more or less says, [[Capcom Sequel Stagnation|"This is Capcom. You should have seen it coming."]] There's also a subset that falls somewhere in the middle of this that believes that while a psuedo-sequel is the usual business for Capcom and is not ''too'' irked by it, it probably would have been better for them to have just waited until everything was ready to go since the window between vanilla and ''Ultimate'' was only about eight months. Explanations given in later interviews (such as Japan's 2011 Earthquake ruining the DLC plans for MvC3 and giving UMvC3 as a result) helped to abate some of the backlash, [[Fan Dumb|but alas...]]

*** The trailer, especially considering the leaked list of fighters appearing (or better yet, ''not'' appearing) for each company.

** Early looks into ''Ultimate'' are giving a lot of hype to the newly-buffed Captain America, Vergil, Phoenix Wright, and Hawkeye.

** Wesker has been at a high position on the Tier list for both games. He got ''better'' in ''Ultimate'', now with an infamous buff when he takes off his glasses, leading many to decry his spot as the third character on many teams where he now gets [[Game Breaker|"Level 4 X-Factor"]].

** For the assists, it's usually Dr. Doom, Tron Bonne, Haggar, or Hsien-Ko. Although Dr. Doom, Sentinel and Wesker is some of the more common character that is picked thanks to their superb assists(and being pretty good on point).

** Given what we've seen of them so far, Strider Hiryu, Ghost Rider, Firebrand, Nemesis, Vergil, and Iron Fist look like they'll be working their way up here in due time.

** If you want to play a fun drinking game, take a shot for every Dante/Vergil/Wesker team you run into online.

** Vergil, IN JAPAN !! So much that many called him the Wesker of Japan.

** Some uneducated fans accuse Mike Haggar of lifting his moves from [[Street Fighter|Zangief]], when in reality, the opposite is true.

** Some players feel it was silly to include "the dog from ''Okami''", ignorant of Amaterasu's godhood or her game's [[Cult Classic|status]].

** Fans want Mega Man X, but those who don't will claim that he is like Zero. X is known as a marksman, not a swordsman. Got worse due to Zero getting a DLC costume based on X.

* [[Contested Sequel]]: A good number of fans tried to compare this game with its previous installments. Expect heated debates.

 

* [[Crack Pairing]]:

** Felicia and Super Skrull appearing in the art for one T-shirt hasn't stopped certain fans in Capcom's official forums from shipping them together.

* [[Crazy Awesome]]:

** Deadpool is so crazy that he attacks in nonsensical ways like using the HUD to attack opponents.

** Dante, of his own admission.

* [[Creator's Pet]]: Some argue that Wesker is such, seeing as though he's got more buffs than nerfs despite being top tier already.

* [[Crossover Ship]]:

** Some fans also have been pairing up Felicia, Amaterasu, Super-Skrull and Hulk in all of the pairing matches.

** And now, thanks to the fourth intro movie, Haggar/Felicia.

** {{spoiler|1=She-Hulk/Spencer}} in Spencer's ending.

** Shuma-Gorath shows very... creepy amounts of interest in Hsien-Ko.

** Chun-Li/Thor.

** Doctor Strange greets a female character (except Hsien-Ko) by inviting her to join his team of "all-female Defenders". He also throws a rose to female fighters as his taunt. How much have you picked up from Tony, Stephen?

* [[Designated Hero]]: The character select screen is labeled as "'''Hero''' Select" despite the presence of Deadpool, Super-Skrull, Dr. Doom, Dormammu, M.O.D.O.K., Taskmaster, Wesker, and, [[Anti-Hero|to some extent]], Akuma and Magneto, Shuma-Gorath, {{spoiler|mind-controlled}} Jill, Firebrand, Nemesis, and last but not [[My Friends and Zoidberg|Zoidberg]], Vergil.

* [[Epileptic Trees]]:

** In Wesker's ending, due to him {{spoiler|capturing some Marvel heroes (shown in picture: Phoenix, Spidey, and Cap) and placing them in [[People Jars]], as well as infusing them with Uroboros virus}}, many fans think that he's the one who caused the ''[[Marvel Zombies]]'' plot. His slightly-modified ending in ''Ultimate'' touches this deeper, as per his quote:

** In a similar vein, some fans speculate that Sentinel's original ending from ''X-Men: Children of the Atom'' triggered the ''Days of Future Past'' stage in ''Ultimate''.

** There was also the infamous leak coming from a Twitter member named Lupinko, which leaks some of the ''MvC3'' characters before release, and it's all proven true. Now he informs a leak about the (possible) release of a "super" version of ''MvC3'', and fans go along with it. Turns out that he was right.

* [[Excuse Plot]]: Unlike the previous installments, it actually has something of a plot, but it's mainly "Wesker and Doom team up to gather villains to take over both realities".

* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: [[Magnificent Bastard|Albert Wesker]], [[Brainwashed and Crazy|Jill Valentine]], ([[Anti-Villain|to some extent]]) [[Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain|Tron Bonne]], [[Super-Powered Evil Side|Dark Phoenix]], and several others as taste and fetish dictate. [[Averted Trope|Not]] [[Horny Devils|Morrigan]], however; she is undeniably sexy, [[Dark Is Not Evil|but she is not evil]].

* [[Fan Dumb]]: There's a large amount of fans of certain dis-confirmed characters [["Stop Having Fun!" Guys|who will flame anyone who doesn't agree that the exclusion of the character they wanted makes the cast totally worthless]].

* [[Fashion Victim Villain]]: Taskmaster's Carrot Orange outfit from his time in the Frightful Four makes a return.

* [[Flanderization]]: Phoenix, especially in contrast with the other X-Men. All of her battle quotes seem to revolve around her fear of Dark Phoenix, whereas Storm, Wolverine, and X-23 all have surprising degrees of characterization for a [[Fighting Game]].

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Trigger Happy|I love me some guns!]]'' <ref>Not present in the final build of the game, instead replaced by the below quote.</ref><br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Trigger Happy|Have gun, will shoot!]]''<br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Wrong Genre Savvy|Anime power up time!]]''<br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Screw This, I'm Outta Here|Bathroom break!]]''<br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Your Mom|Yo momma]]!''<br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Blood Knight|Who was I supposed to kill again? Heh, doesn't matter]]!''<br />

'''Deadpool''' (''up first against Magneto''): (''[[Evil Laugh]]'') ''[[Ascended Meme|MAGNETO, WELCOME TO]] '''[[Ascended Meme|DIE]]'''!''<br />

'''Deadpool''' (''upon defeating Magneto''): ''[[Ascended Meme|I just beat Mag-freakin'-neto! Where yo curleh mustache at?]]''<br />

'''Deadpool''': ''[[Captain Obvious|This is my taunt!]] [[Don't Explain the Joke|Heh. Get it?]]''<br />

* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]:

** The "too much RAM" jokes regarding the Human Torch's removal from the game also become slightly more awkward now that {{spoiler|the Torch was killed off in the comics.}}

* [[Game Breaker]]: Sentinel was this before the health nerf although his power, defensive capabilities with [[Beam Spam|neutralize]] and armored normals and amazing assist help to keep him viable. Also, Zero [[Difficult but Awesome|in the hands of a highly competent player.]]

** X-Factor, particularly Level 3, which can quickly change the tide of the battle.

** Or the fact that zero is a generic insult.

* [[Germans Love David Hasselhoff]]:

** For [[Combat Tentacles|some]] [[Naughty Tentacles|strange reason]], Shuma-Gorath is popular in Japan.

* [[Good Bad Bugs]]:

** Cinematic hypers reseting the hitstun decay, which means that long ''MvC2'' style combo videos that run into the hundreds of hits are still possible.

** Dr. Doom has [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvAHYg19B2I a glitch] which can also qualify as a [[Game Breaking Bug]], in which he can abuse the cooldown frames of his Hidden Missiles to generate more missiles at once. This does extra damage, but using it too much in a row can ''freeze the entire game'', forcing you to reset it. Here's the glitch in gameplay.

** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK3YseTHEBQ Zero's Sougenmu glitch], which involves snapbacking the opposing player's point character with Zero's shadow clone while one or both of their Assists were out, causing none of the opposing members to jump back into the fight for the remainder of the match. This was patched up.

** One that has nothing to do to gameplay is one of Deadpool's new opponent-specific winquotes in ''Ultimate'': "...[[And This Is For|and THAT's for]] pooping on my lawn. I'm the only one who gets to do that." Considering the tone of the quote, one could suppose it should be directed to Amaterasu (who is a wolf, whom many people mistake for a dog, and all), but weirdly enough (and maybe because of this), it ended up as the quote against... Spencer? What is doubly strange is that Deadpool already had a quote for him. Doesn't stop fans from letting their imaginations fly as to why the guy with the bionic arm would take a dump on Pool's lawn.

* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]:

* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:

** [[Deadpool]]'s "You ever play ''[[Street Fighter]]''? [http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1189137.html?#cutid1 SHORYUKEN!]", which made it in as one of Deadpool's moves. And to twist the knife further, there's his winquote when he beats Ryu:

** Chris said to Wesker in ''[[Resident Evil 5|RE5]]'', "Do you take all your ideas from comic book villains?"

** Morrigan has a Scottish accent with her English voice (makes sense, as she's from Scotland). She sounds much better with it here than her American animated self.

** The [[Ultimate Marvel]] version of Nick Fury appears in C. Viper's ending. Most people saw it as odd... until the [[Updated Rerelease]] came out with the name '''''Ultimate''' MvC3''.

*** The announcer may also say ''"Go for broke, FIGHT!"'', which is equally amusing given Wright's financial problems sometimes in his own series, despite being a lawyer.

** [http://brokenteapot.deviantart.com/art/Resident-Lawsuit-153741550 A fan art of both Phoenix Wright and Nemesis] becomes funnier when all 3 of these characters are in ''Ultimate''.

** Zero taking a pot shot about X's absence from the roster has been made funnier now that it's been revealed that Zero's DLC suit ''actually is X''.

** M.O.D.O.K. was nicknamed M.O.D.O.T. (the T for "Trolling") by many due to the fact that he manages to be included in the game despite being "obscure". When ''Ultimate'' gets in, he gets an alt of a real M.O.D.O.T. (the T for "Talking") in the comics, specifically in the Howard The Duck comics.

** On gameplay videos featuring Galactus, people would often post the comment, [[Memetic Mutation|"Much like the Fantastic Four, I am not playable."]] Cue ''Ultimate'', where Galactus really IS playable!

** Iron Man flirts with all the ladies in the roster... sans Ammy. Cue ''Ultimate'', where Ammy is finally the target of flirting... by Rocket Raccoon of all people. With the similar quotes, too:

'''Rocket Raccoon's winquote against Ammy''': ''So... you doing anything after this, cutie? Rowwwr!'' }}

* [[Holy Shit Quotient]]: The gameplay videos and especially the trailers have been supplying such moments in spades.

* [[Internet Backdraft]]: ''The sole mention of the game'' is enough cause for a heated debate. Poor Capcom...

** Usually happened when characters are confirmed not to be in the game, although a lot of the newcomers receive a good chunk of it as well. Admittedly, some arguments are actually reasonable and well-thought out, but it mostly tends to [[Flame War|get WAY out of hand]]. It pretty much comes in one of four flavors:

[[The Unexpected|"Wait, why did X get in over Y?"]]<br />

[[Critical Research Failure|"X's presence caused Y to be disconfirmed]], [[Insane Troll Logic|so I hate them."]] }}

** Go on the official ''Marvel vs. Capcom 3'' facebook page and "request" a character somebody doesn't agree with (read: "anybody"). Prepare to be in an argument.

* [[It's the Same, Now It Sucks]]: On the opposite end of the [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]] debacle (see below), there's an equally large swarm of people complaining that the game is too close to ''MvC2'' and ''TvC''. Yes, the fanbase is as quenchless as Galactus.

* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Wesker. In his ending, despite {{spoiler|the completely unforeseen arrival of Galactus}}, he still managed to play the situation to his advantage.

* [[Memetic Badass]]:

** Mike Haggar, the shark pile-driving Mayor of Earth. To gamers, Haggar is the perfect example of an "action politician".

** Chris, the boulder-smasher.

* [[Most Wonderful Sound]]:

** The announcer's declaration "You have saved the Earth!"

** The activation sound of a Level 3 Hyper Combo (except when it's interrupted or you're on the receiving end).

** Strider Hiryu's Cypher. [[Audible Sharpness|SHWING!]]

* [[Never Live It Down]]:

** Cap and Tony haven't got over ''[[Civil War (Comic Book)|Civil War]]'' yet:

'''Iron Man''' (''before fighting against Captain America''): [[Powered Armor|This armor]] knows your next move before you do, Steve.<br />

'''Iron Man''' (''after winning against Captain America''): It's like ''Civil War'' all over again. }}

'''Hulk''': Dumb Magician once friends with Hulk -- but now Hulk Smash! }}

** As for from the game itself, fans labeled Iron Man for being an ephebophile because he hits on Tron... Despite that he actually hits on all the girls as well.

*** To rub salt in the wound? Should you lose to him, and wait on the [[Game Over]] screen (which in vanilla you HAD to do if you wanted to get the Galactus ending), the screen [[Visual Pun|literally RIPS IN HALF,]] {{spoiler|just to remind you that the Marvel and Capcom worlds are now in Galactus' stomach acids.}}

** Dormammu's Level 3 Hyper. He traps the opponent in a dark bubble (Dark Dimension), then he goes big (or the bubble goes small, we can't be sure) and then pops the bubble with his fingers, with the opponent inside.

** To a lesser extent, the effect of the X-Factor in ''Ultimate MvC3''. It turns the user into a black silhouette with red outlines and aura. It's a bit unnerving to some.

* [[Older Than They Think]]: So, Shuma-Gorath's a Doctor Strange villain from the 1970s, right? Wrong! Turns out Shuma-Gorath was invented by Robert E. Howard for a Kull story, written no later than the 1930s (but not published until 1967).

* [[Ruined FOREVER]]:

** The E3 build of the game had you hold back and assist to tag out, a la ''Tatsunoko vs. Capcom''. The backlash was so bad that this was eventually changed in the next playable build.

** ''Every'' disconfirmation of a vet or [[Ensemble Darkhorse|fan-favorite]] has caused different sectors of the fandom to claim this.

** A minor example, Captain America loses his Shield Slash glitch after the patch. Mind you, he lacks OTG, groundbounce or wallbounce attacks, nor an aerial hyper. But it has since died down thanks to his buffs in ''Ultimate''.

* [[Scenery Porn]]: Especially the Asgard and [[New York City|Daily Bugle]] stages.

* [[Scrappy Mechanic]]:

** While X-Factor was toned down in ''Ultimate'' (damage and speed boosts have been reduced across the board and characters in X-Factor are affected by damage scaling, particularly in terms of hypers), it can now be activated in midair. Once again, fans are divided on its necessity but the dev team continues to defend the point that they believe it to be a core element of the game.

** The Simple Mode. It is geared towards the newcomers to the game, with the simplified command for specials and hypers. However, because of the nature of the mode itself, specials and hypers are easily spammable in this mode. Particularly annoying when you encounter keepaway characters like Dormammu, Dr. Doom, and Sentinel.

** Sentinel's "Neutralize!" beam and (Hyper) Sentinel Force, which is already reviled by the fans since ''MvC2''.

** Arthur's Goddess Bracelet, which apparently can [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJtyX5zXi8 create loops] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDme0CNjANo for high damage.]

** Storm's Hailstorm which takes almost the whole screen and causes nasty chip damage.

** Magneto's Gravity Squeeze (Level 3) which apparently can hit the enemy everywhere they are, even the grounded opponent. He can do this after his long chain of combos [[For Massive Damage]].

** Morrigan's Astral Vision which creates a copy of her behind the opponent and copies her every move, creating heavy lockdowns and punishes.

** Phoenix's fragile already, but when killed while she has 5 hyper bars, she'll be resurrected as ''Dark Phoenix'' with full (but degenerating) health and more strength. Her normal attacks fire small bullets of flame, and combined with her normal projectiles and teleport, she can make a nasty lockdown gameplay. Worse still, the X-Factor can stop the health degeneration, and combined with Healing Field, she can stay healthy long enough to decimate all of her opponents' characters. Oh, and with Level 3 X-Factor her Phoenix Inferno is basically a one-hit KO.

** Wolverine's Dive Kick. It comes out rather quickly, has a huge hitbox, and causes stagger OR bounce depending on the opponent's position at the time. If you're up against a good Wolverine player, getting hit by this basically means you're as good as dead.

** Even Heroes and Heralds mode isn't safe from this, with some cards falling into [[That One Attack|That One Card]] territory. Got a Sabretooth card after taking damage? [[Stone Wall|Pair him up with defense boosting cards, run away and recover all of your health back!]]

** Morrigan's Soul Fist in ''Ultimate'' has entered into this area. Especialy combined with her Super which easilly turn the game into [[Bullet Hell]], which taken [[Up to Eleven]] with Doom's Hidden Missile. This is mainly because Ultimate doesnt has as many anti projectile as Vanilla, most notable being Wolverine's even more infamous(and hated) Berserker Slash.

** Rocket Raccoon's Log Trap, as well as his ability to burrow underground.

** Doom is made on this trope, Hidden Missile is a really good assist, has Beam assist, a Beam move, the dreaded [[Fan Nickname|Marlinpie style TAC]] and of course, FOOT DIVE.

** Ryu got this kind of flak from a surprising amount of fans. Some have even gone far enough to state that Akuma's presence makes Ryu obsolete in every way possible, despite the fact that Ryu can wallbounce and Akuma can't, has better stamina, and possesses quirks such as an ''aimable'' Shinkuu Hadouken.

** Sentinel, for no reason other than his broken status in ''Marvel vs. Capcom 2'', even though Capcom is aware of how powerful he was and has worked to tone him down. There's already a few players loudly proclaiming a need to create an anti-Sentinel team. He does have counters, though, and he's more balanced than he was in ''2'', and even more after the nerfings.

** Morrigan is starting to get some of this, especially since her playstyle involves spamming the screen with projectiles.

* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]:

** A minor one from ''Ultimate'', people are complaining about the visual effects of X-Factor (the character becomes a black silhouette with red outline and aura, as well as the highlighted X on the lifebar). Another one is the HUD; people preferred the vanilla HUD because the new one is jumbled (Assist 2 on the top, point character in the middle and the Assist 1 on the bottom of the arrangement).

* [[Unfortunate Implications]]:

** Captain America's victory quote against villains. It can take a whole [[Fantastic Racism|other meaning]] when said against Magneto.

** Ghost Rider beats Doom out with the line [[Your Mom|"Hell is exactly where your mother belongs. You'll follow her there soon enough."]] Doom's mother ''actually went to Hell'' in one storyline (thanks to Doctor Strange, they did manage to save her, though).

 

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