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*** Then what would be the point of ''leaving'' only to periodically come back to kill everyone? They could just stay in their newly-conquered galaxy doing whatever it is killer robots do when they're not exterminating people and nuke any offending life-forms as they appear.
*** Then what would be the point of ''leaving'' only to periodically come back to kill everyone? They could just stay in their newly-conquered galaxy doing whatever it is killer robots do when they're not exterminating people and nuke any offending life-forms as they appear.
**** This is explained in the second game - {{spoiler|Reaper reproduction requires massive amounts of [[Human Resources|Sapient Resources]]. They stay away so the [[Knights of the Old Republic|meatbags]] can breed free-range, and seal up their hidey-hole in between harvests so they can conserve energy.}}
**** This is explained in the second game - {{spoiler|Reaper reproduction requires massive amounts of [[Human Resources|Sapient Resources]]. They stay away so the [[Knights of the Old Republic|meatbags]] can breed free-range, and seal up their hidey-hole in between harvests so they can conserve energy.}}
**** Only sort-of explained, as a dominated galaxy where they ran no risk of destruction by uppity organics wouldn't need reproduction. Even if they thought they had to reproduce, battery-farming of a promising species would be far more efficient. There doesn't really seem to be any motivation for their cycle except for shoddy programming and thus crapshoot AI. Perhaps they were made as war machines by a race millions of years ago and accumulation of computing errors led to the current cycle that doesn't make sense<ref>pending justification in ''[[Mass Effect 3]]''</ref>. Their AI isn't smart enough to identify the errors that keep them in this cycle, so they'll never stop, or just keep going until their AI degrades so much they can no longer defeat the organics.
**** Only sort-of explained, as a dominated galaxy where they ran no risk of destruction by uppity organics wouldn't need reproduction. Even if they thought they had to reproduce, battery-farming of a promising species would be far more efficient. There doesn't really seem to be any motivation for their cycle except for shoddy programming and thus crapshoot AI. Perhaps they were made as war machines by a race millions of years ago and accumulation of computing errors led to the current cycle that doesn't make sense.<ref>pending justification in ''[[Mass Effect 3]]''</ref> Their AI isn't smart enough to identify the errors that keep them in this cycle, so they'll never stop, or just keep going until their AI degrades so much they can no longer defeat the organics.
**** So, explanation from [[Mass Effect 3]]. Major spoilers, obviously. {{spoiler|It's not the Reapers perpetuating the cycles. It's the Citadel itself. There's an AI on the Citadel that realized organics and synthetics can't live peacefully. They would always go to war with each other. It knew that in every cycle, organics would build synthetics, and the two would go to war. And if the synthetics won, they would wipe out all organic life. The Citadel AI didn't want that to happen. It believed organics had a right to exist. So it created the Reapers. Their purpose is to come back when organics reach a certain level of development, and harvest them, preserving them as new Reapers. Primitive species would be left alone for the next cycle.}}
**** So, explanation from [[Mass Effect 3]]. Major spoilers, obviously. {{spoiler|It's not the Reapers perpetuating the cycles. It's the Citadel itself. There's an AI on the Citadel that realized organics and synthetics can't live peacefully. They would always go to war with each other. It knew that in every cycle, organics would build synthetics, and the two would go to war. And if the synthetics won, they would wipe out all organic life. The Citadel AI didn't want that to happen. It believed organics had a right to exist. So it created the Reapers. Their purpose is to come back when organics reach a certain level of development, and harvest them, preserving them as new Reapers. Primitive species would be left alone for the next cycle.}}
* Note that every AI you encounter is bad because they 'act out'; however, note as well that in the climate that exists, a non-evil AI would likely either pretend to be 'dumb' and thus go undetected (or not being notable enough for Shepard to worry about) or attempt communication which would either result in destruction or secrecy on the part of those who it communicates with. As well EDI from [[Mass Effect 2]] lends additional weight to this; she's a perfectly normal personality who, while yes, defying her creators, demonstrates that an AI does not mean 'organics are inferior' or that an AI will automatically be hostile. She shows that you can't really judge [[A Is]] as an all-or-nothing idea - you have to judge each AI within its own context as its own entity and individual.
* Note that every AI you encounter is bad because they 'act out'; however, note as well that in the climate that exists, a non-evil AI would likely either pretend to be 'dumb' and thus go undetected (or not being notable enough for Shepard to worry about) or attempt communication which would either result in destruction or secrecy on the part of those who it communicates with. As well EDI from [[Mass Effect 2]] lends additional weight to this; she's a perfectly normal personality who, while yes, defying her creators, demonstrates that an AI does not mean 'organics are inferior' or that an AI will automatically be hostile. She shows that you can't really judge [[A Is]] as an all-or-nothing idea - you have to judge each AI within its own context as its own entity and individual.
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Consider the horror that must have set in amongst the Council when they dwelled over the implications of the Reapers following the Battle of the Citadel. Those Prothean fellows you've been holding up as the standard for a super-advanced race for fifteen hundred years? Utterly annihilated. And what about all those post-garden worlds your survey teams have found over the centuries that have evidence of orbital bombardment that targeted population centers? Those were great interstellar civilizations as well, just like you are now. Only they're dead. And this has been going on for untold millions of years in fifty thousand year cycles. Every species that has ever tried to fight the Reapers has lost and is now extinct.
Consider the horror that must have set in amongst the Council when they dwelled over the implications of the Reapers following the Battle of the Citadel. Those Prothean fellows you've been holding up as the standard for a super-advanced race for fifteen hundred years? Utterly annihilated. And what about all those post-garden worlds your survey teams have found over the centuries that have evidence of orbital bombardment that targeted population centers? Those were great interstellar civilizations as well, just like you are now. Only they're dead. And this has been going on for untold millions of years in fifty thousand year cycles. Every species that has ever tried to fight the Reapers has lost and is now extinct.


Going public with information about the Reapers would only cause a panic. So, instead, the Council are going to [[Take a Third Option]] and focus on simply enduring the coming tsunami of destruction. How? By taking a page from the Protheans and hiding for a time. The Council will build ark ships -- perhaps with the aid of the quarians, given their experience in maintaining ships with short supplies -- that will preserve their cultural and genetic heritage, allowing them to recreate the galaxy's known species once the Reaper threat has receded for the next cycle.
Going public with information about the Reapers would only cause a panic. So, instead, the Council are going to [[Take a Third Option]] and focus on simply enduring the coming tsunami of destruction. How? By taking a page from the Protheans and hiding for a time. The Council will build ark ships—perhaps with the aid of the quarians, given their experience in maintaining ships with short supplies—that will preserve their cultural and genetic heritage, allowing them to recreate the galaxy's known species once the Reaper threat has receded for the next cycle.


== The Council believes Shepard, but they cannot admit it officially. ==
== The Council believes Shepard, but they cannot admit it officially. ==
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*** FTL Travel without use of Mass Relays ''is'' possible in Mass Effect, its just woefully ineficcient, averaging at about 12 lightyears a day with a decent drive, range limited to how much static charge you can build up before it discharges and fries your crew. It could be that some rogue Salarians went through a Mass relay that was a hundred lightyears or so away from Earth and then hoofed it through dark space to try and avoid being tracked down by the law.
*** FTL Travel without use of Mass Relays ''is'' possible in Mass Effect, its just woefully ineficcient, averaging at about 12 lightyears a day with a decent drive, range limited to how much static charge you can build up before it discharges and fries your crew. It could be that some rogue Salarians went through a Mass relay that was a hundred lightyears or so away from Earth and then hoofed it through dark space to try and avoid being tracked down by the law.
**** The Charon Relay, the one closest to Earth, was also encased in ice when it was found, making it virtually impossible that any salarians used it before humans discovered it.
**** The Charon Relay, the one closest to Earth, was also encased in ice when it was found, making it virtually impossible that any salarians used it before humans discovered it.
*** The Codex says it's standard Council policy to check out any and all mass relays through ship travel before activation. They came to Earth to see if it was safe. [[Humans Are Bastards|They left]]. Possibly because the [[Roswell That Ends Well|Roswell incident]] involved a Salarian crew which was immediately taken to area 51 in secrecy and [[Alien Autopsy|... researched]]. Public record was made that humans were a potential threat when they finally got FTL drive<ref>The Salarians didn't know about the Prothean Mars colony, so they hid the Charon relay in a block of ice and thought that would be enough.</ref> approximately a millennium from then. So then a Turian patrol ship finds a veritable fleet of Dissectors (humans), 800 years ahead of schedule and already opening up mass relays like they've got a Krogan population. Naturally, they freak out and start bombing the crap out of them<ref>It would be strange for a patrol to immediately start bombing some unregistered ships from an unknown race just for breaking a law they didn't know exist, without even bothering to demand they stop immediately. They must have had prior information about humans.</ref>. Only when the council opened negotiations did they find out we weren't monsters, quickly made peace and swept the reasons for the first contact war under the rug.
*** The Codex says it's standard Council policy to check out any and all mass relays through ship travel before activation. They came to Earth to see if it was safe. [[Humans Are Bastards|They left]]. Possibly because the [[Roswell That Ends Well|Roswell incident]] involved a Salarian crew which was immediately taken to area 51 in secrecy and [[Alien Autopsy|... researched]]. Public record was made that humans were a potential threat when they finally got FTL drive<ref>The Salarians didn't know about the Prothean Mars colony, so they hid the Charon relay in a block of ice and thought that would be enough.</ref> approximately a millennium from then. So then a Turian patrol ship finds a veritable fleet of Dissectors (humans), 800 years ahead of schedule and already opening up mass relays like they've got a Krogan population. Naturally, they freak out and start bombing the crap out of them.<ref>It would be strange for a patrol to immediately start bombing some unregistered ships from an unknown race just for breaking a law they didn't know exist, without even bothering to demand they stop immediately. They must have had prior information about humans.</ref> Only when the council opened negotiations did they find out we weren't monsters, quickly made peace and swept the reasons for the first contact war under the rug.


== Human women are considered attractive by the rest of the galaxy's species. ==
== Human women are considered attractive by the rest of the galaxy's species. ==
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** Are the asari really considered attractive by all races? The only species that we know of so far are humans and turians.
** Are the asari really considered attractive by all races? The only species that we know of so far are humans and turians.
*** Well, we know that they can ''breed'' with more or less anything, so it makes sense, from a biological standpoint, if they could also ''attract'' more or less anything.
*** Well, we know that they can ''breed'' with more or less anything, so it makes sense, from a biological standpoint, if they could also ''attract'' more or less anything.
*** In ''ME2'', a conversation you can overhear on Illium reveals that asari look attractive to each species through mental projection--A salarian says that the asari look like salarians, the human disagrees, and the turian thinks they are both insane, and that asari are just blue-skinned turians. This very strongly suggests that the asari purposefully look attractive to whichever species is looking at them (this troper doesn't want to consider how they look to krogan or volus). It does seem odd that they wouldn't use this to appear as an attractive male-like species to the females of another species, but otherwise, it kind of makes perfect sense.
*** In ''ME2'', a conversation you can overhear on Illium reveals that asari look attractive to each species through mental projection—A salarian says that the asari look like salarians, the human disagrees, and the turian thinks they are both insane, and that asari are just blue-skinned turians. This very strongly suggests that the asari purposefully look attractive to whichever species is looking at them (this troper doesn't want to consider how they look to krogan or volus). It does seem odd that they wouldn't use this to appear as an attractive male-like species to the females of another species, but otherwise, it kind of makes perfect sense.
**** The neon sign in Chora's Den is a silhouette of human-like asari. The owner of the club ''is/was'' human, but some turian/salarian should have noticed that peculiarity long ago and the asaris' chameleon attribute should have become common knowledge long ago.
**** The neon sign in Chora's Den is a silhouette of human-like asari. The owner of the club ''is/was'' human, but some turian/salarian should have noticed that peculiarity long ago and the asaris' chameleon attribute should have become common knowledge long ago.
** The number of alien-human romances in ''[[Mass Effect 2]]'' kind of confirms this, as the humans have to the find the ''aliens'' attractive as well. There's a few alien-alien romances as well.
** The number of alien-human romances in ''[[Mass Effect 2]]'' kind of confirms this, as the humans have to the find the ''aliens'' attractive as well. There's a few alien-alien romances as well.
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*** Especially since the sequel added in "nutrient paste" that the keepers produce, which feeds them and poorer citizens of the Citadel.
*** Especially since the sequel added in "nutrient paste" that the keepers produce, which feeds them and poorer citizens of the Citadel.
**** Of course, it's kind of a moot point. They may have lived to a ripe old age, but 50 000 years have passed - they're long dead and gone.
**** Of course, it's kind of a moot point. They may have lived to a ripe old age, but 50 000 years have passed - they're long dead and gone.
** One, ''[[Mass Effect]]'' is not exactly squishy (setting-wise, it's harder than most TV and video game SF), nor does it include [[Disney Death]]. We have ''one'' character come [[Back From the Dead]] in two games, and it's the player character -- and it took two years and vast resources for the [[NGO Superpower]] to do even that.
** One, ''[[Mass Effect]]'' is not exactly squishy (setting-wise, it's harder than most TV and video game SF), nor does it include [[Disney Death]]. We have ''one'' character come [[Back From the Dead]] in two games, and it's the player character—and it took two years and vast resources for the [[NGO Superpower]] to do even that.
*** And that one who came back had an intact brain buried on a frozen world and then kept in cryo until his body was rebuilt. Closer to "mortally wounded and frozen at the brink of death" than "dead and resurrected," and certainly a long way from "starved to death 50,000 years ago while surrounded by robot bugs that break everything down into its component materials and use them for maintenance."
*** And that one who came back had an intact brain buried on a frozen world and then kept in cryo until his body was rebuilt. Closer to "mortally wounded and frozen at the brink of death" than "dead and resurrected," and certainly a long way from "starved to death 50,000 years ago while surrounded by robot bugs that break everything down into its component materials and use them for maintenance."
** Personally, I'm pretty sure the Protheans set up the council. Remember how apparently the council was making laws against AI research even before the Quarians created the Geth? The protheans almost certainly left some hints.
** Personally, I'm pretty sure the Protheans set up the council. Remember how apparently the council was making laws against AI research even before the Quarians created the Geth? The protheans almost certainly left some hints.
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* 2. On Jartar, there is a crater which once held the Leviathan of Dis, the billion-year-old corpse of an organic starship.
* 2. On Jartar, there is a crater which once held the Leviathan of Dis, the billion-year-old corpse of an organic starship.
** Uh, about the Leviathan. {{spoiler|[[Y Ou]] know how the Reaper larva has organic material being pumped into it? Yeah, the Leviathan of Dis was a dead Reaper.}}
** Uh, about the Leviathan. {{spoiler|[[Y Ou]] know how the Reaper larva has organic material being pumped into it? Yeah, the Leviathan of Dis was a dead Reaper.}}
* These seem like [[Chekhov's Gun|Chekhov's Guns]] to a future revelation of a hyper-advanced race that either uses or consists of organic technology, whether still in existence or in the distant past. Despite what the volus believes about their intentions, there is no reason to assume they would be on the side of the Citadel races.
* These seem like [[Chekhov's Gun]]s to a future revelation of a hyper-advanced race that either uses or consists of organic technology, whether still in existence or in the distant past. Despite what the volus believes about their intentions, there is no reason to assume they would be on the side of the Citadel races.
** This is rather heavily backed up by some of the things {{spoiler|Harbinger}} says in Mass Effect 2 - {{spoiler|Harbinger}} claims humanity has "attracted the attention of those infinitely your greater". If he was referring to the Reapers, he would have said something like, "you have attracted our attention, and we are infinitely your greater". This, combined with the fact that right after that, he says, "that which you know as Reapers..." heavily implies he's talking about something else and NOT referring to the Reaper species. He also claims the Reapers are "your salvation through destruction", a quote that seems odd and out of place... unless the Reapers believe there's another race out there that's even more dangerous than them, and that the Reapers are doing humanity a favor by "saving" them, and by "saving" them the Reapers mean {{spoiler|melting them down into goo to make new Reapers...}}
** This is rather heavily backed up by some of the things {{spoiler|Harbinger}} says in Mass Effect 2 - {{spoiler|Harbinger}} claims humanity has "attracted the attention of those infinitely your greater". If he was referring to the Reapers, he would have said something like, "you have attracted our attention, and we are infinitely your greater". This, combined with the fact that right after that, he says, "that which you know as Reapers..." heavily implies he's talking about something else and NOT referring to the Reaper species. He also claims the Reapers are "your salvation through destruction", a quote that seems odd and out of place... unless the Reapers believe there's another race out there that's even more dangerous than them, and that the Reapers are doing humanity a favor by "saving" them, and by "saving" them the Reapers mean {{spoiler|melting them down into goo to make new Reapers...}}
*** However, consider: Reapers don't call themselves Reapers. Sovereign says explicitly that the Protheans gave them the name, so that they'd have a word for the species that wiped them out. As for "salvation through destruction", in a twisted way, Saren was right - the Reapers ''do'' "spare" the species most useful to them - by pureeing them, in this case...
*** However, consider: Reapers don't call themselves Reapers. Sovereign says explicitly that the Protheans gave them the name, so that they'd have a word for the species that wiped them out. As for "salvation through destruction", in a twisted way, Saren was right - the Reapers ''do'' "spare" the species most useful to them - by pureeing them, in this case...
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* Hence the Sovereign's declaration: "We have no beginning. We have no end." At the end of Mass Effect 3 Shepard closes the time loop, throwing the Reapers to the beginning of time, starting the cycle anew.
* Hence the Sovereign's declaration: "We have no beginning. We have no end." At the end of Mass Effect 3 Shepard closes the time loop, throwing the Reapers to the beginning of time, starting the cycle anew.
** Shepard has two choices, to send the Reapers back or to destroy them. The first one [[Bittersweet Ending|makes everyone hate you and you become public enemy #1]]. The second option [[Downer Ending|ends the universe]]. Have fun with that!
** Shepard has two choices, to send the Reapers back or to destroy them. The first one [[Bittersweet Ending|makes everyone hate you and you become public enemy #1]]. The second option [[Downer Ending|ends the universe]]. Have fun with that!
** The [[Final Boss]] will be a Reaper [[Stalker with a Crush]] [[Yandere (disambiguation)]] [[Blaz Blue|who will merge with Shepard to create a super-monster]] that causes the loop. The only way to beat it properly and get the so-called "actual" ending will be to complete [[Guide Dang It]] quests to get the [[Eleventh-Hour Superpower]]: "Restriction 666 released... Dimensional interruption imaginary number formed... <s>Azure</s>[[Writing Around Trademarks|Sapphire]] Grimoire... Activated!"
** The [[Final Boss]] will be a Reaper [[Stalker with a Crush]] [[:Category:Yandere|Yandere]] [[Blaz Blue|who will merge with Shepard to create a super-monster]] that causes the loop. The only way to beat it properly and get the so-called "actual" ending will be to complete [[Guide Dang It]] quests to get the [[Eleventh-Hour Superpower]]: "Restriction 666 released... Dimensional interruption imaginary number formed... <s>Azure</s>[[Writing Around Trademarks|Sapphire]] Grimoire... Activated!"
** This could just be rhetoric induced by an arrogant god complex. Remember, this is the same being that thought itself so high above these puny organics but got soundly defeated by them.
** This could just be rhetoric induced by an arrogant god complex. Remember, this is the same being that thought itself so high above these puny organics but got soundly defeated by them.
*** Seems to have been rhetoric. There are certainly no time loops going on.
*** Seems to have been rhetoric. There are certainly no time loops going on.
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** Could be the alternative to working with Cerebus and using {{spoiler|the Collector's stolen tech.}}
** Could be the alternative to working with Cerebus and using {{spoiler|the Collector's stolen tech.}}
** ''Normandy'' MK II in ''Mass Effect 2''? Entertaining. Having a Reaper as your [[Cool Starship]] in ''Mass Effect 3'', possibly as a late game perk? [[Rule of Cool|Oh yeah.]] Suddenly I'm reminded of starting off ''[[Skies of Arcadia]]'' in the Little Jack {{spoiler|before upgrading to the Delphinus halfway through the game.}}
** ''Normandy'' MK II in ''Mass Effect 2''? Entertaining. Having a Reaper as your [[Cool Starship]] in ''Mass Effect 3'', possibly as a late game perk? [[Rule of Cool|Oh yeah.]] Suddenly I'm reminded of starting off ''[[Skies of Arcadia]]'' in the Little Jack {{spoiler|before upgrading to the Delphinus halfway through the game.}}
** I nominate Cthulhu as the good reaper. It tried to communicate with [[H.P. Lovecraft]] and warn him about the [[Cosmic Horror]] that threatens all life in the galaxy, but poor communication lead Lovecraft to believe Cthulhu was the bad guy. Cthulhu is buried in [[wikipedia:R'lyeh|R'lyeh]], and Shepard will go there and awaken him. [[Badass Creed|"That is not dead which can eternal lie]]<ref>The Reapers tried to kill him, but Cthulhu hid and lay on the ocean floor...</ref>, [[Badass Creed|and with strange eons]]<ref>so that when, once in these uncounted millennia, there is someone powerful enough to stop them...</ref>, [[Badass Creed|even death may die]]<ref> he can join forces with them and kill Death incarnate, the Reapers.</ref>".
** I nominate Cthulhu as the good reaper. It tried to communicate with [[H.P. Lovecraft]] and warn him about the [[Cosmic Horror]] that threatens all life in the galaxy, but poor communication lead Lovecraft to believe Cthulhu was the bad guy. Cthulhu is buried in [[wikipedia:R'lyeh|R'lyeh]], and Shepard will go there and awaken him. [[Badass Creed|"That is not dead which can eternal lie]],<ref>The Reapers tried to kill him, but Cthulhu hid and lay on the ocean floor...</ref> [[Badass Creed|and with strange eons]],<ref>so that when, once in these uncounted millennia, there is someone powerful enough to stop them...</ref> [[Badass Creed|even death may die]]<ref>he can join forces with them and kill Death incarnate, the Reapers.</ref>".


== A certain level of genetic diversity is required to create {{spoiler|new Reapers.}} ==
== A certain level of genetic diversity is required to create {{spoiler|new Reapers.}} ==
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== The Reapers - origins and motivations ==
== The Reapers - origins and motivations ==
== The Great Rift is a relic of the original Reaper harvest, a war between the Reapers and their creators. ==
== The Great Rift is a relic of the original Reaper harvest, a war between the Reapers and their creators. ==
* The Great Rift on Klendagon is estimated to be 37 million years old, and it was caused by a round from a mass accelerator--one more powerful than anything the current populace of the galaxy has ever seen. It was powerful enough to punch through a Reaper and leave it [[Only Mostly Dead|very nearly dead]] with ''one shot.'' This suggests two things: (1) The cannon was significantly more advanced than any other races have managed in the 50,000 years they've had to acquire and work with mass effect technology. (2) Whoever fired the cannon had enough warning about the Reapers to actually target and blast at least one (possibly more, as much of the galaxy is still unexplored)--which means they may not have been attacked completely by surprise. Given that Sovereign's mass effect core was larger and more powerful than any other known one--just like the mass accelerator--it's not implausible to think that the original creators of all mass effect technology (and therefore complete masters of it) built both that cannon and the Reapers, who subsequently revolted against their organic masters. The shell that "killed" the Reaper and created the Rift was fired in the ensuing civil war, which the [[Precursors]] sadly lost.
* The Great Rift on Klendagon is estimated to be 37 million years old, and it was caused by a round from a mass accelerator—one more powerful than anything the current populace of the galaxy has ever seen. It was powerful enough to punch through a Reaper and leave it [[Only Mostly Dead|very nearly dead]] with ''one shot.'' This suggests two things: (1) The cannon was significantly more advanced than any other races have managed in the 50,000 years they've had to acquire and work with mass effect technology. (2) Whoever fired the cannon had enough warning about the Reapers to actually target and blast at least one (possibly more, as much of the galaxy is still unexplored)--which means they may not have been attacked completely by surprise. Given that Sovereign's mass effect core was larger and more powerful than any other known one—just like the mass accelerator—it's not implausible to think that the original creators of all mass effect technology (and therefore complete masters of it) built both that cannon and the Reapers, who subsequently revolted against their organic masters. The shell that "killed" the Reaper and created the Rift was fired in the ensuing civil war, which the [[Precursors]] sadly lost.


== The Reapers are the ultimate version of a gene bank. ==
== The Reapers are the ultimate version of a gene bank. ==