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** I doubt they'd fail to realize that the "infections" were pregancies, either.
* Then a [[Child Prodigy]] among them got a hold of an omni-tool and hacked the airlocks. Aliens go whoosh and young Tim Howser becomes the proud owner of the ''Unrelenting Justice''; a state-of-the-art turian dreadnought once commanded by General Kihar Arterius. He takes the ship back to Earth with his few surviving friends... and gets the run-around from the Systems Alliance. A little more hacking and he discovers that the Alliance has received loads of political credit and colonisation rights in exchange for avoiding a war crimes trial - and surrendering the remaining refugees.
* There's an accident involving the Charon Relay and a ship-sized mass. Tim Howser, the refugees, and the ''Unrelenting Justice'' are gone and gladly forgotten. But some say that somewhere out there is [[Alternative Character Interpretation|Humanity's last, best chance for victory]] against [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens]] and their [[The Quisling|human collaborators]]: [[Fun with Acronyms|The Illusive Man]], [[Ragtag Bunch of Misfits|his few remaining allies]], and their renegade ship - [[Blake's
* Very nice, but all Jossed with the release of the comic series Evolution.
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***** Yeah, and ''your'' argument is predicated on the idea that TIM would never tell you the truth. Read what I said again. It '''could''' be an elaborate deception on TIM's part, but it could '''also''' be the unvarnished truth. Either way, we (that is, you) don't know enough to say they're "assholes, period".
** Not to mention that a lot of real life criminal and terrorist organizations do good things to maintain face. Villainy doesn't preclude acts of kindness any more than doing so morally balances out that villainy. You can save the world all you want but you're still kidnapping kids and experimenting on them.
*** I get the idea that Cerberus is set up to allow a certain level of [[Plausible Deniability]]. So a bunch of scientists get a lot of funding and are told to make the most powerful human biotic, with vague threats about failure. Then they turn around and let the scientists unlimited freedom with the funds they have. If they fail, then the Illusive Man will put on a big show and [[You Have Failed Me...|will have the evil scientists fired (out of an airlock)]], and will say how this was a rogue group. But if it succeeds, then Cerberus claims all the credit and says that [[I Did What I Had to Do|they're doing to horrible things that keeps humanity alive]].
*** I call bull. TIM had to know. When you unlock EDI, she specifically tells you that The Illusive Man likes to maintain personal oversight of all cerberus projects and that no one cell is aware of what the other does. Miranda is telling the truth when she says she didn't know what was done to Jack. There is no way that with the amount of resources involved to create the super biotic that is Jack, that TIM didn't know about it. All the evidence that is left is set to not implicate the main organisation but condemns the rogue elements. No more than a dozen projects at a time. Any more than that, and it stretches his multitasking ability.
** Nope. They're evil no matter what you say or do.
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****** Or: {{spoiler|"These guys are so much more advanced than us, how are we going to beat them? I know, let's steal their tech and reverse engineer it - oh, Shepard blew it up. ''Oh''."}}
******* On the other hand, {{spoiler|reverse engineering Reaper technology never seems to be a good idea...}}
******** Remember what happened to them the last time they played around with some reaper tech? {{spoiler|They got kidnapped and were almost turned into [[
== The Illusive Man deliberately picked less-extreme Cerberus members for the Normandy crew. ==
* Notice how the crew consists entirely of either Alliance ex-pats like Jacob, former SR-1 crew like Joker and Chakwas, or hand-picked recruits like Miranda and Kelly? ''None'' of them act anything like the extremists we dealt with in ME1. Perhaps [[Batman Gambit|TIM knew that Shepard wouldn't trust the usual Cerberus goons]], so he hand-picked crew members for the SR2 whose world views were closer to Shepard's, and [[Uriah Gambit|whose loyalty to Cerberus might otherwise have been questionable.]] For all we know, even Miranda might be one of the more open-minded of the "real" Cerberus operatives (IIRC, she never has any qualms about Shepard hiring non-human crew members, and she even sides with you if you choose to {{spoiler|destroy the Collector Base}}). This would have the side-effect of making Cerberus look less extreme than it really is, which would make Shepard more likely to work with them by taking advantage of the "no one is [[
** Confirmed in a video log in [[Mass Effect 3]].
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== The Illusive Man is using Shepard to test Sovereign's mind control. ==
* An expansion of the above theory, not only did the Lazarus Project implant Shepard with Reaper technology, the Illusive Man is using it as a test to see if a human can use the Reaper's indoctrination process to control other people: he sent Shepard to gather people who would normally never side with him to see if the technology will activate and force them to come with him when they normally wouldn't. Images show that Shepard gradually becomes more and more glowy throughout the game; the Reaper technology inside her/him is activating more and more as s/he has to keep control of his more volatile squadmates. Shepard is unaware of this until near the end; a Renegade Shepard will embrace the implants and use them to dominate his crew, while a Paragon Shepard will desperately search for a way to deactivate or remove the implants though there is another possibility. The Illusive Man is performing similar experiments on himself; this is evidenced by the implants in his eyes. The final level will be Shepard and crew going to the Cerberus base and fighting their way through to TIM, only to find that the experiment is complete and TIM has turned himself into a mind-controlling uber-cyborg, sort of like Saren. The final battle will be either a battle of wills between Shepard's mind control and TIM's, or the squad fighting him while Shepard uses his Reaper technology to shield them from TIM's abilities. In the end it will be revealed that TIM was indoctrinated by Sovereign before the first game started and was deluded into thinking he could use the technology to control the Council for humanity.
** Shepard only becomes "more glowy" if s/he makes Renegade decisions, and you can eventually get rid of the scars altogether. Implanting Shepard with Reaper technology is just too dangerous, which is why he's using someone else - Paul Grayson. See ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20110308061040/http://masseffect.bioware.com/market/books
** Jossed. {{spoiler|TIM is not the final boss, but we still don't know what Lazarus put into Shepard.}}
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== Miranda's father is a wannabe [[Robert A. Heinlein|Lazarus Long]]. ==
* During the course of his lifetime, Heinlein's [[Author Avatar]] / [[God Mode Sue]] has twin daughters. These twins are [[Opposite
** Somewhat supported by the fact that her expressions when she discusses it look as though she's repressing a great deal of disgust. Plus, her father apparently dictated every part of her looks... as if he was creating the perfect wife. Too bad she couldn't tell this to Niket.
*** Possible, but we have no direct evidence of sulex bastard (it's not like nonconsensual incest is the ONLY be explainable by Mr. Lawson being your run-of-the-mill God Complex bastard (it's not like nonconsensual incest is the ONLY thing he would have done that would have warrented disgust from Miranda). That said, it is VERY disturbing.
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== As a follow-up to the above theory, {{spoiler|Oriana is actually Miranda's ''daughter''.}} ==
* {{spoiler|Miranda tells us that Oriana is genetically identical to her, and that she was grown as a "replacement" for her. When we finally meet Oriana, she looks similar to Miranda, but isn't identical. There are also a few subtle differences you can hear about if you convince Miranda to introduce herself. At some point "Mr. Lawson" figured out that Miranda would never be what he designed her to be, so he decided to go ahead and create his dynasty without her permission. Oriana is a "traditional" test-tube baby and isn't genetically engineered by Miranda. As for how Miranda doesn't know this? Lies and misinformation spread by her father, or just flat-out conjecture on her part. It's likely that she came for Oriana ''after'' she escaped from her father - she says she was raised without any friends, yet there is Niket. She escaped her father and spent time on the streets where she met Niket, then learnt that her father had created another daughter, went back for Oriana and went to Cerberus.}}
** The main problem with that is that {{spoiler|1=humans naturally develop and evolve over their life in response to their conditions and to their own actions (pig out = put on weight, etc), and we have no reason to believe that Oriana would be raised in anything like the [[Training
** Jossed by the ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'' DLC. {{spoiler|Miranda's dossier includes correspondence from a doctor indicating a benign neoplasm that prevents her from conceiving. Since "adoption" is mentioned as mentioned as alternative, but not surrogacy, it's likely that the condition involves her ovaries preventing her from producing eggs. So no babies, test tube or otherwise.}}
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** Alternatively, the Reapers are [[Electronic Arts|EA]]. Think about it. It makes sense.
== After ''[[Mass Effect 3]]'' is finished, Bioware will publish an [[Limited Special Collectors' Ultimate Edition|Anniversary Edition/Director's Cut]] of all the three games. ==
* ''[[Mass Effect (video game)|Mass Effect]]'' and ''[[Mass Effect 2]]'' graphically upgraded to the level of the last game, and all the content that had to be left out due to time or other constraints, such as the original plans for Therum as a fully fledged world on part with Feros and Noveria, restored. Wishful thinking rather than [[Wild Mass Guessing]] maybe, but if Bioware really reads this page, best to have the idea on display. And after all they did do something similar with ''[[Jade Empire]]''...
* And it will be the workaround [[Electronic Arts|EA]] needs to release the trilogy on the [[
== ''[[Mass Effect]]'' is really a documentary sent back in time ==
* In the late 22nd century, the Reaper wars will push humanity to the brink of extinction. Using mass effect fields for temporal distortion, human survivors sent ''[[Mass Effect]]'' back to our time in order to inspire us to explore space, and also to warn us against the Reaper threat. Unfortunately, the games are not having the intended effect, as space funding is facing major cuts.
== There will be a 1st-person Starship simulator ala ''[[Star Trek: Bridge Commander]]'' ==
* ...And it will conform to as many "Hard-SF" conventions as it can without becoming one big [[Mind Screw]]. Yes, this is wish-fulfillment on my part. But seriously, how can they create such a rich codex with so many sections on ship-combat and tactics and ''not'' somehow put the player behind the controls at some point?
** For that matter, might as well give us control of Joker again for an [[Unexpected Gameplay Change]] and let us ''[[Squee|pilot the Normandy!]]''
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*** Hahaha-no.
** Close Quarters Combat, I know it's not exactly the best suggestion for realism, but it would be fucking epic if your play as a Vanguard, Biotic Charge the crap out of your enemies and proceed to tear your enemies a new one with nothign but your BARE HANDS. The rifle headbutt doesn't really do much justice when you're playing as a murdering machine with Spectre and Alliance Training. There would obviously be some developments in regards to hand to hand as well.
*** Son of a ''BITCH''! [[BioWare]] announced that [https://web.archive.org/web/20120816113545/http://ps3.ign.com/articles/117/1172200p1.html Mass Effect 3 will feature expanded melee combat! They do read this page!]
** Elcor soldiers. Codex describes them as walking tanks with shoulder-mounted turrets, which ''needs'' to be seen.
** A same-sex romance option for both genders, without taking the asari cop-out. C'mon, Bioware, we know you wanted it in the first game, we know you recorded voice-overs for the second one, your PR dude telling us you just don't want Shepard to be that customizable isn't convincing. Especially, you know, because everything ''else'' is.
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== Alternately, Legion is telling the truth, except... ==
Legion and his faction are in the minority of the geth population after all, or at least the split between the heretic and non-heretic geth is closer to 50/50 than the 90/10 Shepard hears. The geth have shown at least defensive hostility toward organics long before they met Sovereign (returning ships sent into the Perseus Veil with the crew killed as a warning, for example), so it's doubtful that all of them are the peaceniks Legion makes them out to be. The reason Legion fudges the numbers is that he doesn't want Shepard to assume the rest of the geth are [[
== The Presidium Groundskeeper is lying about there not being any fish in the Presidium lakes. ==
I noticed on a recent playthrough that he doesn't have any facial markings. As we all know, this means he probably can't be trusted. I think he lied because he's spiteful of people asking him the same question. I believe this also proves that obviously Mass Effect 3 is going to revolve around Shepard and the krogan who wanted the fish teaming up to take down the Groundskeeper's web of lies.
* I always felt like such a monster for telling the krogan there weren't any fish. He was so disappointed, it was like kicking a puppy....granted, a large alien puppy who could smash a normal human to bits, but still.
* Except the Presidium Groundskeeper DOES have facial markings. They're faint, but if you [https://web.archive.org/web/20130501172208/http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/File:Presidium_Groundskeeper.jpg look closely] you can see he's wearing that skull-face pattern that some other turians have. It's just that the tattoo is almost the same color as his skin so it blends into his face.
== Grunt spends a lot of time on wikis, and has gotten into several Edit and Flame Wars. ==
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* Yet the potential of the station in the {{spoiler|core}} was unknown to anyone else. Therefore, upon getting to the station, were torn apart by defense mechanisms.
* Shepard had "survived" an attack by the Collectors already, knowing what their potential is. As shown in the beginning of the game, the Normandy {{spoiler|meets the same fate as the ships that made it to the station in the Core}}.
* Therefore, because [[Stupid Evil|the Collectors]] [[Idiot Ball|were so intent on killing]] [[Back
* Actually, the SR2 was ''not'' strong enough withstand the Collector's attacks, at least not as it originally was. If the Collectors had launched another surprise attack in-game, the second Normandy would have ended up just like the first. It was only after EDI was unshackled as a co-pilot, the guns/armor/shields were upgraded, and the element of surprise was removed that the Normandy was able to defeat the Collector's ship without severe damage. With just one element missing, the ship could, at best, force the Collectors into a draw.
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