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== [[Monster (
== Johan is an Alternate Universe incarnation of [[Good Omens
The difference is that, in ''Monster'', the Apocalypse is set to begin in Germany, and the child switch went off without a hitch. Roberto is Johan's hellhound made human by his will.
== Monster takes place in the same world as Pluto. ==
Doctor Tenma from [[Astro Boy]] is a descendant of Monster's Dr. Tenma & his AI research was a continuation of the Kinderheim 511 experiments using computer models & later actual robots instead of real children. The unnamed Japanese doctor who saves Paul Duncan/Paolo Holley's life in the flashback during the North #2 story is not [[
** In addition, this explains why Epsilon looks like Johan. After awakening from his coma, Johan performed a [[Heel Face Turn]]. Having been given his real name, Johan moves to Australia and decides to turn his intellect to AI research, to give machines humanity the same way that Tenma reawakened his. Performing great things over the course of his lifetime, when they needed a model for Epsilon he was the natural choice.
== After the end of Monster, Johan escapes the hospital and trades his German nationality for Romanian citizenship. His new name? [[Left Behind|Nicolae Carpathia.]] ==
Think about it. Both show remarkable intelligence, and also prove to be extraordinarily manipulative, able to bend others to their will with relative ease. Moreover, they both have blonde hair, blue eyes and the title of [[The Antichrist]].
== Johan is [[
Hey, if you're going to mark someone as the [[Anti Christ]], you've gotta let the collateral damage encompass the entire world, not just Europe. After leaving the hospital, Johan figures he'll go start up some shit in Tenma's home country, Japan. There he meets {{spoiler|Fukubei}}, from whom he takes the "Book of Prophesy" from and decides to start up the Cult of Friendship. When the going got tough, Johan picked {{spoiler|Fukubei}} to be the scapegoat {{spoiler|and the corpse for his official "death"}}. In addition, {{spoiler|Fukubei}} is not Kanna's
== Johan has [[Code Geass|Geass]] ==
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Well during the surgery if Johan was female at least the surgeons would notice. Perhaps, he's female in default, he's male when knocked unconscious or around Nina or if he feels like it.
== Johan is [[Hellboy (
Johan's braindead (Or is it?) body was taken over by Johann Krauss due to an emergency. Once Krauss was safe he returned the body to the hospital.
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** Only if she could see the [[Sadistic Choice]] coming though - also given that the most sensible in-story explanation we get is that she was trying to hide the fact there were two kids by dressing them the same and only letting the neighbours see them one at a time. And if she ''did'' see the [[Sadistic Choice]] coming, why not get them both away before Bonaparta could catch up?
== Inspector Runge is a grown-up [[Death Note
They are both highly eccentric detectives, both quickly become obsessed with finding their target (L with Kira, Runge with Dr. Tenma), both are (In Runge's case, supposedly) at the top of their field, both are basically geniuses, L is constantly doing something with his hands while Runge is doing the typing thing.
* Except Monster takes place way before Death Note. So unless L preformed time travel, probably not.
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*** AND he's learned how to be a great detective without sacrificing his posture.
** These things are not supposed to make sense. It's actually the serious guesses that are missing the point.
* Alternatively, L is Runge's illegitimate child.
** Wouldn't Runge's unnamed grandson be about L's age by the time the events of Death Note come about?
*** No, L's 25. The grandson would be about 12. If anything, the grandson is Near.
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* Of course, finding out your saviour's a bit taken aback at your being a sociopathic serial killer takes the shine out of this one a bit, as would his sister's less than enthousiastic response to being "relieved" of her foster parents. Might explain his attempts to manoeuvre both of them into a "let's see how ''you'' like being a killer, then" plot, though - and good guess.
* Kinda ironic then. His mother gave him away. his "Father" chose to keep him. Sounds exacly like the kind of thing this series would have...
== ''Monster'' takes places in the same universe as ''[[
The reason Johan manages to survive until the end is because he literally had no name, making him impossible for the shinigami to kill (by writing his name into a Death Note). Johan realizes this, which is what makes him so suicidal and careless with his safety. When Tenma gives him back his name at the end, it finally allows him to die, which is the significance of the empty bed.
== Johan's real goal was to give Dr. Tenma some [[Character Development]]. ==
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== Johan and Nina's real names are... ==
Hansel & Gretel
** Ironically, in the original notes for ''Hansel and Gretel'' compiled by the brothers Grimm, Hansel and Gretel were only to be called "Little Brother" and "Little Sister". To quote [https://web.archive.org/web/20090116020812/http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/hanselgretel/notes.html#THREE SurLaLune], 'Hansel is essentially the same as "John Doe" representing an anonymous or "everyman" character.' Even if those are their names, in a deeper sense they still lack them.
*** Right, I'm aware of that. It would play into the series' love of irony to have their real names just as lacking in identity as their current ones. I doubt it's true, but it would have been a cool twist.
*** And given the themes of parental abandonment in the original
** Hansel is, in fact, a pet name for Johan. (Gretel is the same for Margreta.)
== Johan is an avatar of [[
== Johan is actually part of [[The Plan]] by [[Watchmen (comics)|Adrian Veidt]]. ==
* Alternately, he is Veidt's illegitimate child.
** Expanding on this idea: At some point, the young Veidt had a tryst with a young woman named Anna, who later took up with a soldier and led him to believe himself to be the father of her children. Her blond, super-genius children, one of whom is conditioned into sociopathy. Johan inherited exaggerated versions of all of their father's negative traits (and his dress sense, if one goes by movie!Veidt), while Nina got the positive ones (idealism, badassery, physical prowess). The key difference here is that ''Veidt didn't know''.
== Even if Tenma saved the Mayor instead of Johan his life still would have end up being messed up. ==
While the whole part of the premise about how the young boy he saves ends up being an infamous serial killer is a severe case of [[No Good Deed Goes Unpunished]] even if Tenma saved the Mayor anyways there is no guarantee that things would've been better for him. It would practically be inevitable that the Hospital would end up in a major corruption scandal and take a wild guess who would Dr. Heinemann try to set up as the fall guy here? (After all would it really be out of character for Heinemann to try to do that?)
* Alternatively, Johan would have lived whether Tenma operated on him or not.
** Also alternately, had he saved the mayor, he would later hear that the young child he could have saved died during the operation, and experience a [[Heroic BSOD]]. He would lose patient after patient before committing suicide. You're damned no matter what choice you make, as Jakob Farobek's story shows us.
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== Johan's brain attracts bullets. ==
This explains how he manages to keep getting shot in the head by people who probably shouldn't have that good of aim to begin with.
== Bonaparta murdered Lieberts and then shot Johan. ==
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== Johan is the reincarnation of [[MW|Michio Yuki]]. ==
That would explain of become insane by a secret military experiment as a kid, manipulate people, have ambitions to cause [[The End of the World
== Johan never wanted Tenma to shoot him. In fact he never wanted to die, period. ==
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== Johan dies somewhere between the years 2004 and 2009. ==
Upon escaping (either after the events of the original series or after the events of ''Another Monster''; take your pick), Johan relocated to the US and worked for the crime syndicates there. Meanwhile, a certain [[Death Note
** And, because I know you're thinking it, yes, I came up with the idea because they both have the same seiyu. Although I wold like to add that it ''does'' make sense. If Johan lived in the DN universe, he'd be relatively safe from Kira due to obsessively safeguarding his identity.
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Think about it: both of them are blond-haired tricksters who enjoy annoying the hell out of their sisters, and on the top of that, they can't do physical harm. The only difference is that Martin has remorse, but Johan doesn't.
== Kenzo is [[The Spoony Experiment
Look at the image for [[Expository Hairstyle Change]] and tell me it doesn't look like a Spoony from his first videos and Spoony today.
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== Tenma saved Johan again as an act of [[Cruel Mercy]]. ==
In the end, Tenma realized that Johan really wanted to die all along. So instead of giving Johan what he wanted, he saved him since he figured that living with his past would be a [[Fate Worse Than Death]]. ...Maybe.
== Grimmer is a [[Kingdom Hearts|Nobody]]. ==
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== If Tenma had grown up in East Germany and were sent to 511 Kinderheim, he would have turned into another [[Split Personality|Grimmer]]. ==
First of all, let's eliminate Johan, Christof, and Roberto as possibilities. Tenma couldn't become Johan because Johan is...[[Complete Monster|Johan]]. No one can top him. Christof is all "I want world dominashun lolz" while Tenma cares nothing about power. Roberto is a bit more plausible, since he [[Used to Be
Now, as for Grimmer and Tenma, they happen to have some similarities:
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* Both must be pushed in order to react violently, and only then, it's a defensive act. (Grimmer's reaction is becoming "The Magnificent Steiner." Tenma's reaction is being able to shoot a gun, which he actually does a grand total of ''two times'' and possibly could have done it a third time had someone else not beat him to it. In all three instances, it's either him or someone else being threatened.)
* Both have a capacity for intense anger, though neither person is very prone to it. (It's less noticeable with Tenma since he doesn't act on his anger, but the capacity for intensely feeling the emotion itself is there. Just look at his rant about Heinemann in the second episode.)
* Given the above two points, both tend to be more cautious than aggressive.
* Based on Grimmer's [[Character Development]], it's likely that he was originally as empathic as Tenma. (A perfect demonstration of this is his scene with Milosh.)
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* Alternatively, Tenma is the reincarnation of Adam Cartwright and Johan is the reincarnation of villain.
== Johan is [[Prototype (
== Johan is [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
In fact, MLP: FiM is Johan's comatose dream. He has mentally regressed to the age of 5 and has fully adopted Nina's personality. Discord is simply the remnant of his old personality.
== Johan is a target by [[Final Destination|Death]]. ==
== Everyone is in a [[The World Ends With You
The players are Tenma, Nina, Runge, and Eva.
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It would appear that after leaving the hospital, Johan goes to work as a mercenary for Umbrella. Disillusioned by how they work in the use of viruses, his mind has cracked even more and he begins to wear a gas mask to hide his face and is renamed as HUNK. In that persona, he is calm, but cracked.
== Johan is [[Halloween (
This gives Myers his murderous tendencies, and easily labels him as a [[Complete Monster]].
== Johan's fascination with Tenma has to do with his [[Mommy Issues|mother]]. ==
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== Nina is Johan in drag ==
The real Anna committed suicide in front of Johan shortly after they escaped from the hospital. Unable to cope with that, brain-damaged, and already conditioned to look like and act like his sister, Johan developed a [[Split Personality]] modelled after Anna who went by the name Nina and believed herself to be the real thing. ( {{spoiler|It wouldn't be the first time he confused his memories with hers.}}) [[The Man in
* So does this mean everything after Ruhenheim is his [[Dying Dream]]?
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== Johan committed suicide in the end. ==
In the end, after Kenzo leaves him, Johan gets up from his hospital bed one last times, [[Dissonant Serenity|and with a smile]], jumps out the window.
Thus, an empty bed, flowing drapes, and a creepy yet oddly appropriate conclusion.
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