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* Seedle's back story revealed in the last episode of ''[[Makai Kingdom]]'' even has SEVERAL Overlords pissed with him. Put quick and dirty, he (an allegedly noble samurai) raped Salome (who fought back and killed him), and she was burned at the stake for slaying a hero; he thinks it's not enough.

* In ''[[The Darkness]]'' video game, the [[Player Punch|death of]] {{spoiler|Jenny}} serves as a Moral Event Horizon for both Paulie Francetti and The Darkness itself. Paulie for executing her and The Darkness for restraining you as you are [[Forced to Watch]] and sadistically joking about it all.

** That is, of course, assuming Paulie hasn't crossed it already by blowing up the orphanage where Jackie grew up with a rocket launcher. With the kids inside it. ''[[For the Evulz|Out of spite]]''.

* [[Evil Sorcerer|Lezard]] [[Stalker with a Crush|Valeth]] of ''[[Valkyrie Profile]]'' is one nasty piece of work and crosses the line many times (especially in the [[Time Travel|sequel/prequel]]), but very early on he crosses the [[Moral Event Horizon]] when he orchestrates the deaths of his former teacher, Lorenta, and her husband by giving the latter a potion that turns the drinker into a monster. Lorenta's husband begs her to kill him before he succumbs to its effect, but Lorenta can't bring herself to do it. He then turns into a monster and kills her. All of this was to draw the attention of the protagonist, Lenneth Valkyrie. Lezard claims he needed a sacrifice of lovers to lure the goddess to him and chose his former teacher because she and her husband had a [[Power of Love|"lifetime of love."]]

*** The recent anime of [[Fate/Zero]] gives us a nice, high-def, high detail animated look at exactly what Zouken did to Sakura. It is totally and [[Nausea Fuel|utterly sick and twisted.]]

* In ''[[Dragon Age]]: Origins'', the dwarf Paragon Branka doesn't so much cross the horizon as she flies across it, laughing the whole way. We find out just how completely depraved and insane Branka is when it is revealed that in order to reach the Anvil of the Void, {{spoiler|she sacrificed her entire house - three hundred plus dwarves - to the Darkspawn and allowed the women to be taken to become part of the Broodmother (a process that ''defines'' horror) just so she could have Darkspawn to throw at the traps surrounding the Anvil.}} The sole survivor, Hespith, explains it in simple terms:

** The stories of Flemeth indicate she crossed the line into irredeemability when she started {{spoiler|[[Body Surf|stealing her daughters' bodies]] [[Grand Theft Me|to prolong her own life]]}}.

* ''[[Super Robot Wars Original Generation]]'' kind of... subverts this. Wilhelm von Juergen might've come across sympathetic. He was only like, couldn't bear the thought of being unable to protect his family and humanity from aliens so he created a system that unites humanity by force. That may be [[Stupid Evil|stupid]], but... [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|good intentioned]]... wait a minute, what's that?! He just... {{spoiler|killed Lamia out of cold blood, after he completely wrecked her physically, [[Kick Them While They Are Down|while she's battered and defenseless!?]]}} All right, he may not be hitting the [[Complete Monster]] status, but that's the last line of sympathy he can get. Forever, he shall be known as an unsympathetic [[Big Bad Wannabe]].

** How is he going to save humanity do you ask? {{spoiler|By paralyzing the planet with nerve gas from his comet so that his spawn can leisurely eat their way through the ''entire biosphere'', that's how!}}

* [[Saya no Uta|Fuminori Sakisaka]], if he decides he has no qualms with eating human meat. Just listen to him when Kouji comments to him on his cell phone about becoming "quite the meat eater":

* [[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]] has ''The Witches' Tanabata'' for {{spoiler|Bernkatsel}}. You initially assume that because of her own back story she'd be sympathetic to the protagonists. Then you learn in that story that {{spoiler|she basically ruined Ange's entire life, just so Ange could die later on in front of Battler. ''[[You Bastard|Then she mocks you, the player, and says that's just what you wanted to see!]]''}} At that point, many players wanted to see her get sent back to the {{spoiler|[[Groundhog Day Loop]]}}...or worse.

** Screw you, {{spoiler|[[Smug Snake|Erika]]!}}. The exact moment for most people differs, but if you haven't felt she crossed it before, there's a line she says in the 6th Episode that hurls her across this line:

* [[Pokémon Black and White]]: {{spoiler|Ghetsis, Ghetsis, Ghetsis... why, oh why, did you have to base your parenting off of [[Disgaea 3 Absence of Justice|Super Hero Aurum?]] You neglected your own boy, left him amongst abused Pokemon to fuck up his perception of the world, raised him to believe Pokemon should be separated from humans, and gave him control over a group that only knew of his ideal. I don't blame you for leaving the kid amongst those Pokemon - [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure|Prof. Rowan once went that route for his studies]], [[Pokémon Special|and Sapphire chose to live amongst them of her own will]] - but what I DO blame you for is most of the rest. But that you'd abandon your kid after his failure to perform, call him a blasphemy upon mankind for the very way ''you'' raised him, and basically go against everything you ever taught him (which you never really believed in) just for self-profit? Yeah... you can rot in jail for the rest of your life, Hell is too good for you.}}

** Ghetsis is basically running neck-in-neck with the heads of the Cipher syndicate conspiracy for the title of biggest human [[Complete Monster]] in the franchise both in terms of horrific deeds (which we're discussing here) and the potential for the continuation of such horrific deeds. See the main [[Pokémon Colosseum]] page for the further gruesome details on Cipher's many sins.

** From [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: {{spoiler|Darkrai has a few opportunities, the earliest being orchestrating the planet's paralysis, making [[Crapsack World|the future a frozen, endless night, with insane Pokemon and which is ruled by Primal Dialga]], and the one way to stop the paralysis would cause all life from the future to disappear.}}

* Speaking of Super Hero Aurum, let's not let ''him'' off the hook, shall we? {{spoiler|He kills demons and Overlords just for who they are, his latest being the [[Gentle Giant]] in charge of [[Disgaea 3 Absence of Justice|Evil Academy]], taking over as the butler for said Overlord's son, messing up his perception of the human world, and all of that just so he can have a new Overlord to add to his record. Just to be certain Mao doesn't relapse, he sets an [[Obvious Trap]] for the princess he's escorting, just to make certain her "hero" bodyguard (also his number one fan) triggers it and dies instead to drive home that [[Humans Are Bastards]] and the good ones wind up dead. Let me repeat myself - he messes up one kid and gets another killed just for the prospect of remaining the Super Hero, to stroke his own ego. I think this quote sums up everything...}}

* In literally the first scene of ''[[Suikoden II]]'' where we see Luca Blight, he has just finished massacring almost all the members of a Youth Brigade camp (read: basically fantasy Boy Scouts) so that he can frame a neighboring country for the deed and get the people's support for a campaign of slaughter, rape, and pillage. [[Complete Monster|And he only gets worse from there]].

* In [[Spider-Man: Web of Shadows]], choosing the evil decisions lead to some [[Kick the Dog|pretty]] [[What the Hell, Hero?|mean]] [[Moral Dissonance|acts]] against to the characters around you. But one thing that can particularly make the Web-Head cross the line is the dark option against Symbiote Wolverine: {{spoiler|Spider-Man rips the Symbiote in half. With Wolverine attached to it.}} Let me repeat that: '''Spider-Man''' can cross this by {{spoiler|[[Grievous Harm with a Body|RIPPING WOLVERINE IN HALF]].}}

* This happens in ''[[Mega Man Zero|Mega Man Zero 3]]'', when [[Cloning Blues|Copy]] [[Mega Man X|X]] and [[Complete Monster|Weil]] destroy a human residential area to capture the Dark Elf. Though Weil was [[Obviously Evil]] upon his introduction, Copy X's previous actions<ref> Heavy discrimination against and [[Deadly Euphemism|"retiring"]] innocent reploids to conserve energy so human society is mostly unaffected by the recent energy crisis</ref> were a bit more morally ambiguous up until now. At this point, [[Hero Antagonist|Har]][[My Country, Right or Wrong|puia]] can't stand it anymore and defects from Neo Arcadia. A bit later, when Copy X and Weil contact the resistance to cooperate, [[Rebel Leader|Ciel]] cites this event as why they can't be trusted.

* In [[Silent Hill 3]], Claudia crosses this when she {{spoiler|has Harry killed}}. She certainly seems to think so, as she straight-up tells Heather that she doesn't expect to have a place in the paradise she's trying to create.

* In ''[[Skies of Arcadia]]'', Lord Galcian gains the ability destroy any or all of the lands underneath the Six Moons. To display his newfound power, he {{spoiler|summons the Rains of Destruction from the Yellow Moon. What is underneath the Yellow Moon? Valua, the most technologically advanced land in Arcadia, and it just so happens to be Galcian's home land as well! Galcian figured that if the most powerful country in the world could be reduced to ashes in no time, the rest would fall to him.}} What is amazing about this is that the {{spoiler|Valuan army, the army of the country that he just wiped off the map}} continue to stick with him as Galcian is that much of a [[Magnificent Bastard]].

* It's very easy to hate Admiral Greyfield in ''[[Advance Wars]]: Days of Ruin'', although the clincher is when {{spoiler|Forsythe, the [[Anti-Villain|honorable]] general}} of the enemy Lazurian Army, surrenders to him and takes responsibility for all of the bad things his troops have done. Greyfield's reaction? {{spoiler|He kills Forsythe and captures his army, threatening to execute them all. Soon afterward, when he finds out that Brenner is helping the Lazurians escape from captivity, Greyfield carpet bombs his position, killing Brenner and all of the surrounding soldiers in his area (including [[We Have Reserves|many of Greyfield's own New Rubinelle forces]].}}