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{{quote|''"So what now, Jack Sparrow? Are we to be two immortals locked in an epic battle until Judgment Day and trumpets sound?"''|'''Captain Barbossa''', ''[[Pirates of the Caribbean]]: The Curse of the Black Pearl''}}
A [[Mutual Disadvantage]] is a scenario in which two (or more) sides in a fight are unable to gain an advantage over each other due to both being equally disadvantaged against one another in either offensive or defensive abilities. This can come in two flavors;
* '''[[Padded Sumo Gameplay|Mutual Invulnerability]]''': Both participants are offensively disadvantaged - neither of them can harm the other, as they are both immune or resistant to each others' attacks. The result is a battle between two [[Stone Wall|Stone Walls]], making for a stalemate unless and until someone else intervenes.
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[[Like Cannot Cut Like]] and [[Takes One to Kill One]] are [[Sub-Trope|Sub Tropes]].
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=== Mutual invulnerability: ===
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== [[Comics]] ==
* The most recent issue of ''Billy Batson and the Power of Shazam''; [[Captain Marvel]] and [[Evil Counterpart|Black Adam]] are evenly matched and cannot harm each other; likewise [[Distaff Counterpart|Mary Marvel]] and Black Adam Junior {{spoiler|who is an embittered Freddy Freeman!}} seem to be immune to each other's punches. {{spoiler|But Black Adam Junior '''can''' injure Captain Marvel.}}
* Havok and Cyclops in ''[[X-Men]]'' comics. As they are brothers, this situation happens very rarely, but when it does, they are both immune to each other's attacks, because their powers work in the same way, and each can use the other's attack as an energy source. The same is true of Sean Cassidy (Banshee), and his cousin Thomas, neither's powers can affect the other. This is believed in both cases to be due to their genetic relationship and can apply to other related mutants as well.
* In a [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]/[[DC Comics|DC]] crossover between [[Batman]] and [[Captain America (comics)]], after [[The Joker]] becomes [[Even Evil Has Standards|furious]] after finding out that his collaborator the Red Skull is a Nazi, the two villains try to use their own weaponized toxins on each other to no effect. Since both Joker and Red Skull are immune to their own toxins and both Joker Venom and Red Skull's "dust of death" are remarkably similar, both characters are also immune to ''each other's'' toxins.
== [[Film]] ==
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== [[Live Action Television]] ==
* In one episode of ''[[Charmed]]'' Piper and Cole have a fight while both are invulnerable.
* In an episode of the ''[[Superman]]'' TV-series, some random dude off the street ends up with a carbon-copy of Superman's powers due to [[Lightning Can Do Anything|lightning]]. Said random dude then starts a Hero For Hire business, charging people premium rates for applying his superhuman powers, in between using his X-ray vision to [[Power Perversion Potential|check out girl's changing-rooms]]. Supes gets fed up with this pretty quickly and starts actively interfering in the 'business' (and pleasure), causing the dude to lose his temper and start a fight. Both of them, of course, are super-strong, but entirely invulnerable - and they're more invulnerable than super-strong, resulting in a Type-1 brawl... the only possible loser being the surrounding area.
* ''[[Caprica]]'' at one point had Zoe and Tamara fighting in V-World. In this case, they can hurt each other all they want, but neither of them can die since they're both digital avatars. The fight only ended when Zoe talked Tamara into an alliance.
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== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==
* In [[ECW]] Rob Van Dam and Jerry Lynn usually started their matches with a series of Chain Wrestling moves which the other countered pretty quickly.
== [[Real Life]] ==
* England vs. France in the Hundred Years War, among others. England had the world's best navy; France had the best land army. England was unable to launch a successful land war against France, while France was unable to even touch English shores.
* A mention of the Peloponnesian War could probably go along with that France/England Hundred Years War example. Athens was a sea power and Sparta had the best land forces in Greece. Sparta had to build a navy before it could successfully choke off Athens, almost 30 years in.
== [[Video Games]] ==
* In ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' this is the case with a few of the classes.
** Two Pyros will fall into this trope. Both are resistant to each other's signature ability (setting each other on fire), their unlockables are useless as the Flare Gun and Axtinguisher require their opponent to be on fire , meaning the winner is decided by either shotguns (if either has one equipped), flamethrowers (which would require either participant to move into the range of the other's flamethrower) or melee weapons (which do have some advantages over each other but don't make all that much difference).
** Demomen equipped with the Chargin' Targe might also qualify (since it increases their resistance to explosives and removes their ability to ambush enemies with sticky grenades).
* In ''[[Pokémon]]'', many elemental types ([[Fire, Ice, Lightning|fire, electric, ice]], and so on) are resistant to attacks of their own element (receiving half normal damage). Bug and Fighting types are resistant to each other's element, and Normal and Ghost types are completely ''invulnerable'' to the other's element. A fight between such types, especially at low levels (where they're unlikely to know any other attacks), will often result in this.
** Wobbuffet is another example, as it learns no direct attacks whatsoever and is capable only of various [[Counter Attack|Counterattacks]]. Pitting one Wobbuffet against another Wobbuffet will result in a stalemate where neither one can harm the other in any way (and in Generation 3, neither could be switched out for another fighter due to the opponent's ability). However, once they both deplete their PP (which is going to be ''a while'') they will resort to Struggle as their attack of choice... except, if they both hold Leftovers (and they should), their damage will be outhealed. TL;DR: fight never ends. And this is actually why Wobbuffet is banned.
** And we musn't forget Ditto. His only move is the ability to transform into the opponent, copying their appearance, stats (barring HP), and their moveset. Now, let's pit two Dittos against each other...
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== [[Web Comics]] ==
* The titular characters of the webcomic ''[[Bob and George]]'' were immune to each others' powers due to being brothers. This is in turn a reference to [[X-Men|Scott and Alex Summers]] being immune to the other's superpowers for the same reason.
=== Mutual weakness: ===
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** Gastly's family is interesting in particular in that the only targets he deals super-effective damage with ghost attaks to - that is, Psychic and Ghost - do super effective damage to him as well. Poison attacks on the other hand - oh, wait, nevermind, he does not learn any without [[T Ms]].
* The Undead and Drake [[Mirror Match|mirrors]] in ''[[Battle for Wesnoth]]'' - most Undead units are vulnerable to the same faction's magical Dark Adept unit and its Arcane damage, and similarly all Drake units are vulnerable to that faction's magical Cold damage dealing Saurian Augur. Both the Adept and the Augur, however, are [[Squishy Wizard]] units vulnerable to the conventional attacks of their respective faction. The result is Mutual Weakness.
* Other Class versus Class battles in ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' are more of a Type 2, coming down to who has the better aim, ping, and/or luck (Sniper wars in particular).
* In many ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' games, the air/wind element is often vulnerable to itself, inflicting greater damage on flying enemies.
** Also, Fire and Ice elements are usually vulnerable to each other.
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== [[Video Games]] ==
* ''[[Chrono Cross]]'' had three sets of opposing elements (Red/Blue, Green/Yellow, Black/White), each dealing increased damage to its opposite and reduced damage to itself; every character in the ([[Loads and Loads of Characters|rather large]]) roster was assigned an elemental affinity.
* ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' and [[Final Fantasy X
* ''[[The Legend of Dragoon]]'' had pairs of opposing elements (Fire/Water, Earth/Wind, Light/Dark) doing increased damage to each other, reduced damage to itself; the Thunder element had no opposite, but also shared reduced damage against itself. Every character (and most monsters) had an elemental affinity, and each character's strongest armor (the "DG armor" series) would completely nullify damage from their own element.
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