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* The entire named female cast of ''[[Fist of the North Star]]'' can be summed up as: Kenshiro's love interest, young girl who is always following and/or thinking about Kenshiro, the battle-hardened [[Action Girl]] who falls for Kenshiro and is secretly loved by Rei, and some powerful warrior's sister/mother/daughter.
* Deconstructed with [[Mobile Suit Gundam|Mirai Yashima]]. At first, she appears to be a subversion, taking on the important role of first mate and helmsman of the [[Super Prototype|White Base]], while ignoring her Yashima family name. However, when she reappears in [[Zeta Gundam]], we find that she married Mr. Bright and started a family with him. She is willing to stay on Earth for the good of her children. However, most people remember Mirai more for being able to get a huge spaceship to dodge laser blasts than starting a family and is in fact still perfectly competent when under fire, even with her children.
* ''[[Fate Stay Night]]'' has this trope in play with its Masters in Tohsaka Rin, Matou Sakura, and Ilyasviel von Einsbern. While it's [[Justified Trope|justified]], being that the Grail War is meant to be a competition between three families, they're the only ones who actually owe their success as mages to their lineage. Shirou bumbles onto his role in the War and has to struggle to make up for his lack of magical skill over the course of the series (because his adopted father ''didn't'' teach him more than basic tricks), Shinji Matou is a failure, {{spoiler|Kuzuki is an assassin and}} not a mage at all despite being a formidable Master, and Bazett Fraga McRemitz, Lancer's original Master, is [[Quickly
* Subverted in ''[[Bamboo Blade]]''. Tamaki mentions the strongest kendoist she's ever seen, and her teammates assume she's talking about her father, but she actually means her mother.
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** Marasiah Fel, the first female ruler of the Fel Empire, got her postion because, well, she was in the Fel Dynasty.
** [[X Wing Series|Ysanne Isard]], Director of Imperial Intelligence. Her father held that position before her, and she was one of his top agents.
*** Actually played with instead of a straight example: She was a bit too good at her job for her father's comfort, who grew paranoid that she might try and take over ''his'' job. So he sent her on a suicide mission that would make her look like an incompetent, a traitor, or would [[Offing the Offspring|outright kill her]]. Ysanne noticed, survived, turned the tables on her dad and had him arrested for treason and executed within an hour of her return to Coruscant (rumor is that [[Self
** Leia's entire life has revolved around the men in it. She was spirited away to protect her from her birth father, she only got involved in politics and the Rebellion thanks to her adopted father, she first learned of her Force powers through her twin brother, she nearly married herself off to a Prince in order to cement an Alliance treaty, and by the time that she finally settles down with Han and starts a family, her entire life is wrapped around what her husband, brother, or children are doing. She really only comes in to clean up their messes.
** Even Mara Jade, one of the most [[Badass]] [[Action Girl|Action Girls]] there is, has her entire backstory closely tied to the Emperor. Even after he's dead her only goal in life is to avenge her master. Later she becomes the [[Number One]] of Tallon Karrde, Luke Skywalker's [[Love Interest]], and the mother of [[Child Prodigy]] Ben.
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* Similarly, Capcom's ''[[Sengoku Basara]]'' was guilty of this, with its female cast being mostly defined as being someone's wife or lover and [[Satellite Character|mostly defining their characters around their respective men]], until [[Subverted Trope|the third game]] introduced Saika Magoichi as a tough, no-nonsense, badass mercenary woman who is highly regarded by the other warlords. {{spoiler|Though the game implies she may have been the wife/protege of the Saika's former (male) leader, who was killed by [[Oda Nobunaga]]. Which may make her a [[Double Subversion]].}}
** In all honesty though, most notable women from that period in Japan weren't self made, being the wives or daughters of influential men.
* Eva of the ''[[Devil May Cry]]'' series could be an example of the trope, if only she wasn't ''solely'' spoken of as "mother to Dante and Vergil" or "wife of Sparda", or any variation or combination thereof. She's pretty much a blank slate of a character and no backstory whatsoever is given as to what she did ''before'' meeting an over-two-thousand year old devil, bearing his children, and then dying horribly in a demon attack to save said children. She's pretty much defined by those relationships and nothing else, not counting Trish who is meant to be her clone (and acts nothing like her). The [[Shout
* ''[[Rift]]'' mostly averts this, but has one major double subversion in the form of Dacia Ultan, the daughter of a clan of renowned artisans. She first [[Black Sheep|broke her poor mother's heart]] by setting out to be an adventurer...then brought her family even more honor by ''[[Badass|kicking more ass than some entire tribes]]''. (It's hinted that the Ultans are now as renowned for their kinship to Dacia as for their crafting skills.)
* A common complaint about ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'' is that Professor Juniper is the first female Pokémon Professor to appear in the games, and she's also the first Pokémon Professor stated to have learned her trade from her father, who goes on to have a more important role than his daughter does. Which is a bit unfortunate, given that the character was originally meant to be a male and ''still'' have the whole 'inherited trade from father' aspect.
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** There's an article where a movie critic related how, when talking about Sofia Coppola to industry insiders, they always blame Coppola solely for her failures, but attribute any success she has to either her father or the male actors/producers/etc. she was working with.
* In general, before women were allowed to achieve higher education, most women taught themselves however they could, which was usually attached to their husband, reading the books in his library, and often working with him as an unofficial assistant or apprentice. Maria Winkelmann is one example.
* Up until relatively recently, female artists who achieved any sort of fame in their day usually were taught by their fathers. This was certainly true in the Renaissance: [
* Averted by Julia Gillard, the current Australian Prime Minister, although how greatly is debatable: the political fixers behind her ascension were all male.
* Inverted historically by women whose success was attributed to their male relatives or husbands. Mary Shelley, for example, whose [[Frankenstein|novel]] was published under her husband's name.
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