Pirates of the Caribbean/WMG: Difference between revisions

** But we see that the heart is, indeed - mortal. So the heart can be destroyed. Which is why Davy Jones guards it so well. And I guess Calypso could do that now, but she was sealed as Tia Dalma for a while. On that note, since Davy Jones had given up the responsibility of guiding the dead - who was doing that? Because if I remember right the souls were ferrying themselves. So I'm pretty confused about the whole deal.** The heart is mortal ''on the condition that whoever stabs it becomes the next captain''. The way I see it, Will was dying when he stabbed the heart, but then was fine after being reborn as captain. Therefore, if Jones stabbed his own heart, both he and it ''would'' die- but the power of the ''Dutchman'' would restore both almost immediately afterward. So again, no reason for Jones to even try it. As for the dead, Tia/Calypso was obviously upset upon seeing their condition, so while they ''can'' ferry themselves, it's not a desirable situation. Presmably, the ''Dutchman'' is a much more efficient means of transporting souls to the afterlife.

** I've got a theory on this too. When Davy Jones gets ganked by Will, he doesn't automatically go back to full health, the crew has to cut out his heart to revive him. This implies it's not Calypso's choice on who gets to be the next captain, it's the crew's decision. However, they (evidently) vastly prefer the person who destroyed the heart in the first place, and it's possible Calypso could come around to punish them if the heart's destroyer was a reasonable captain (read: human, or maybe fishman). I would assume that with an unreasonable destroyer of the heart (using examples already here, Jack the monkey or a rock that crushed it without human interference) would be passed over for the role of captain, and it would instead be given to whoever's next in command, as (I presume) it would go on a real pirate ship after a sudden captain death.

As inspired by [https://web.archive.org/web/20090821231307/http://zimmay.deviantart.com/art/The-Rejection-of-Davy-Jones-38555880 this picture].

* Alternatively, since we already have Davy Jones as [[HPH.P. Lovecraft|Cthulhu]]/Dagon and Calypso as Mother Hydra, Jack Sparrow is Nyarlathotep.

Although she would probably be unaware of it. This comes from the [[Rule of Cool|Rule of Cool.]]

* Way to make Jack look like even more of a [[Jerkass]] than he is! Of course, abandoning a woman he impregnated would be perfectly in character for him. Then again, maybe Anamaria didn't want Jack to have a negative influence on her kid and threatened him with severe bodily harm, death, sterilization, or getting landlocked if he so much as approached either of them before the kid reached adulthood.

And Norrington ended up joining the crew at some point.

**** She certainly had knowledge beyond the other characters (she sensed Will's "touch of destiny", for one) but wasn't omniscient, or she would have known Davy Jones was the one who betrayed her to the Brethren Court. Still, the powers she ''did'' still have would probably have been enough to at least simplify a [[Gambit Roulette]] like that.

** While another more-ethical duplicate went forward to the 20th Century, where he landed a gig [[The King's Speech|teaching a royal guy to control his speech impediment.]]

And his son has a son, and his son, and so on, all the way down to [[NCIS (TV)|Jethro Gibbs]].

** And a possible distant relative, [[I CarlyiCarly|Gibby]]

** Unlikely. The Kraken is an actual mythological monster, generally portrayed as a giant octopus or squid.

** Incidentally, Illuminatus featured Eris versus ''Yog-Sothoth''. Leviathan was a different creature altogether, and resolved its differences with the protagonists peacefully, after falling in love with Hagbard's supercomputer.

*** Okay, a monstrous sea-creature fell in love with a super-computer, and their love resolved a major conflict. That actually [[Makes Sense in Context]]?

* Because he LOST it somewhere along the line.

* Because faeries aren't immortal, just long-lived. Furthermore, Jack may be only part faerie (as several classic [[Pot C]]PotC fanfics have postulated.) If that's the case, Jack might have a closer-to-human life-expectancy, coupled with a nagging sense that it ''ought'' to be far longer. Which could be a motivating force behind his singular determination to achieve it.

Why else would he trust him with his Piece Of Eight?

== Davy Jones is actually [[The Princess Bride (Filmfilm)|The Dread Pirate Roberts]]. ==

* When Jack negotiates with Beckett for the ''Black Pearl'', he tells Beckett a list if people on board he can keep but conspicuously leaves out Elizabeth. When Beckett asks about her, Jack says "What would ''you'' do with her?" to which Cutler gives a kind of "Well, you got me there" look, which would indicate Beckett can't do what many of the men in the films want to do with her. It seems to play credence to the idea that Beckett's been castrated.

** Of course, it could also mean that Beckett is homosexual, asexual, or just plain not interested.

*** Given he also exhibits traits consistent with sociopathy (at least, an absence of projective empathy--he certainly seems able to recognize OTHERS have emotions and exploits that so he possesses cognitive empathy, but he definitely does not seem to care or empathize with them) active disinterest seems most likely. That, or he just noticed that kissing Elizabeth is a great way to get dead fast.

I know the ''real'' Calypso, from Greek mythology as made famous by Homer's ''[[The Odyssey (Literature)|The Odyssey]]'', really has nothing to do with ''the'' Calypso from the ''Pirates'' universe, but since when has this series really cared all that much about [[Sadly Mythtaken|keeping their legends straight?]] This is mostly just because I'd like to see the big guy make an appearance in the fourth movie. Maybe throw in some merfolk.

* I think she either IS the same one, or is a version of her inspired by ''[[The Odyssey (Literature)|The Odyssey]]''. Check the M.O., they're more than a little similar and it's not unlike Ted and Terry to draw on mythology.

Think about it: how likely is it that a woman would get pregnant just on her wedding night? And Jack went searching for the fountain of youth, after all. Perhaps he found it and got [[Older Than They Look|a bit too youthful]] by mistake. And it's surely not too surprising that he'd want to hang around to say hello to his old friend. Also, [httphttps://web.archive.org/web/20200805165757/https://screenmusings.org/AtWorldsEnd/pages/POTC3_AWE_3791.htm lookie here]. Don't they look a lot alike? Of course, honestly, all the three main characters look similarly pretty in the face and have similar colouring, but he seems to have eyeliner. And then there's the wee pirate hat. It's pretty obvious that Jack has found the fountain of youth, after all -- how else could Elizabeth have failed to age more than very slightly in ten years? Her face looks a little thinner, but she doesn't have a single wrinkle. If Jack has not found the fountain of youth, she must be a thirtyish single mum. She can't still be that dewy and unlined and teenagerish under normal circumstances. She's probably been drinking from the fountain of youth to prevent [[Mayfly-December Romance|aging faster than Will]]. Obviously, she, unlike Jack, got the dosage right.

** A man also kinda needs his heart to live. And considering that this movie takes place in a world in which gigantic squid monsters and undead monkeys roam the earth, I think that means we can safely ignore the normal laws of human biology.

** For the most part, Will Turner III is fatherless, making it hard for Elizabeth to support the two of them on her own. She may be disguising her daughter as a boy, so that the girl can find small jobs around town to help put food on the table. (Well, POTC has taken inspiration from the lives of several real-life pirates, so why not Mary Read too?)

* Or Beckett may have been scorned from the start. Here's another scenario: When Cutler was Jack's superior in the EITC, he was attracted to Jack's 'Forbidden Fruit' qualities; lower class, possibly part-coloured, definitely male (and all in a very pretty package.) But Jack failed to respond to his interest, being repelled by Beckett's 'Control Freak' personality. So Beckett, who was accustomed to getting what he wanted, spitefully ordered Jack to transport a shipment of slaves. He knew Jack would probably rebel and set them free, thus giving Beckett grounds to brand Jack as a Pirate & deprive him of any legal protection. Beckett may or may not have taken advantage of Jack before the latter escaped his custody. Either way, Beckett commenced hunting for him and never stopped until their Final Confrontation in AWE (which could account for Jack's special satisfaction when he growled the order to "Fire!") This scenario is supported by a line which didn't make it into the movie, but is included in the novelization of AWE:

{{quote| '''JACK to BECKETT: "We both know how you get when your advances are spurned."'''}}

* That's the theory I've always considered the most likely. They had an Accord, and Ana does not come across as the type who'd let Jack weasel his way out of it.

About Jack dividing our world from the supernatural world. Just think about this, with Davy Jones death and Will having Elizabeth waiting for him, the Flying Dutchman can recover his truly purpose, [[Deal Withwith the Devil|instead of what Jones did all this years]]. We don't know this, but Calypso is the [[Ultimate Evil]] Jack will have to face in a quest for his freedom, and I mean [[Screw Destiny|THE freedom]]

** It seems unlikely that she was unaware of the unites of time in a contract she herself set. She either didn't care period or was otherwise occupied. We don't know the limits of her power, it's possible that even though she can change her shape a great deal she may still have to physically travel from one place to another.

And it makes sense for Jack to've released them in on an unsettled island where their 'owner' (Beckett) would never find them.

* Offhand it seems odd for a buccaneer to be acquainted with the Bible, but Jack Sparrow is no average pirate. He can read, drop Latin quotes (as he did at the Brethren Court meeting), and cite works of classical literature like ''[[The Divine Comedy (Literature)|The Divine Comedy]]''. This indicates he's had at least some formal education. A possible explanation is that Teague is a disowned son of the aristocracy, who wanted his son to have learning comparable to his own.

In the boat before the mermaid fight, one of the sailors mentioned that the love a mermaid would protect the lovee from all ills. Syrena kissed Phillip before dragging him under- maybe they're chilling with [[SpongebobSpongeBob SquarePants|Spongebob]] with his new found underwater breathing.

* Hence the unknown origin of [[SpongebobSpongeBob SquarePants|Mermaid Man]] has been revealed!!!!

*** Secret test of character. Assuming she could save him, if he'd asked for it, Syrena would have simply healed him and left, being just a man she had feelings for, but was just a man in the end, no more, no less... But he didn't. He asked for forgiveness. That's ''love'' on her face, baby, when she hauls him under. My guess is the next movie features King Triton wanting his sword back from its new owner Barbossa, dealing with his daughter Syrena's new human boyfriend... And Jack Sparrow finding Atlantis for some wacky reason or another.

* Alternately, he was never in or even interested in the Brethren Court... which is why he's considered so dangerous. He doesn't play by the rules.

For a minor character, he got a fair bit of focus when he ''did'' show up, makes a nice counterpoint to the pirate, British, and supernatural characters, and even got his own theme music complete with [[Ominous Latin Chanting]] (though that might be considered a theme for the Spanish in general). He also conspicuously survives the [[Final Battle]] in ''On Stranger Tides''. When Pirates 5 rolls around (at last word, it was in the planning stages), he seems like he could be an effective [[Big Bad]], [[The Dragon|Dragon]], supporting villain, or possibly even [[Enemy Mine|ally]], if the villain was someone he and Jack both had reason to oppose.

He'll accomplish this by stealing [[Doctor Who (TV)|the Doctor's]] TARDIS. He'll use the carrier to [[Ruthless Modern Pirates|replace those annoying knockoffs]] and restore Pirating [[The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything|to its former glory]].

There seem to be two different ideas about mermaids. They're either the beautiful, seductive creatures that feed on men or beautiful women that take their lovers into the deep to live with them. But looking closely at the actions of the mermaids suggests there may be truth to both versions of the story. While numerous pirates were maimed and devoured during the course of the mermaid attack, there are a few that noticeably escape harm in the process. One is Philip, who is saved from harm by Syrena. The other is the young boy in the crew, later shown doing things like freeing Philip. Syrena comments that Philip is "different" and that he "protects others" and this was her reason for not only sparing him but rescuing him as well. Maybe mermaids have a supernatural ability to see the good in people, and target the sinful while sparing or saving those with good hearts. With Angelica and Philip, we're introduced to this very theme during the film -- both are trying to save the souls of others, and discussion is made about good and evil. This would explain the differing tales of mermaids, as well as the man from the beginning of the movie found UNDERWATER in a net.

* This was my interpretation as well; Jack only loses interest in the Fountain because he doesn't want to have to pay the price of continually sacrificing lives for the ritual, not because he ever seems to have lost interest in immortality itself. This fits with the other three forms of immortality he had a chance at, too (keeping one of the cursed medallions, willingly crewing on the Dutchman, and becoming captain of the Dutchman)- all of them exacted something for eternal life that Jack didn't want to give. Doesn't remotely mean he's not going to keep looking for something without a catch (or, more likely, a catch that doesn't bother him).

* But then again, Jack says something along the lines of 'it's best to not know which moment will be your last' in his conversation with Gibbs at the end. If he is looking for a replacement fountain, he presumably wants something that would keep him going forever without a set limit, not like the actual fountain which would force him to desperately count down the years.

[[Unexplained Recovery|Beckett came back]], after 10 years, perhaps as mentioned above by one of his ships being one of Blackbeards collection of sunkern ships. Will and Elizabeth's son is hanged for trying to follow in his grandfather's (Bootstrap Bill's) footsteps (he was singing "A Pirates Life for me") and joining a pirate crew, or for indirectly being connected to Beckett's downfall. The piece of eight he has was given to him by Jack.

** Seems unlikely; there was no sign of her anywhere on the ''Pearl'' in either of the scenes before they arrived on the cannibal island. Most likely she left the crew between films, possibly because she finally got her own ship.

Angelica has literally nothing left at the end of ''On Stranger Tides'' but a grudge against Sparrow for marooning her. What better way to get back at him but to follow Barbossa's steps, this time serving her home country. Combining two other previously formulated [[WM GsWMG]]s, 1) Spain is not going to like Jack goofing around in the Caribbean with a whole damn pirate fleet, so all the possible help the better and 2) it allows the filmmakers to bring back again the Spanish and The Spaniard (possible as Angelica's first mate/boss) who were too underused in the 4th film.