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{{quote|''"Senator, I served with [[John F. Kennedy|Jack Kennedy]], I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."''|'''Lloyd Bentsen''' to '''[[Dan Quayle]]''', 1988 US Vice-Presidential debate.}}
 
Basically, the trope is (in the first instance) about attitudes commonly felt/displayed e.g. by vampires and related monsters, and those who actually know them (including their enemies) towards [[Vampire Wannabe|Vampire Wannabes]]s, [[Big Bad|Big Bads]]s towards aspiring big bads (perhaps especially the [[Big Bad Wannabe]]), real heroes towards [[Heroic Wannabe|Heroic Wannabes]]s - you get the drift. Also has a number of [[Real Life]] and less fantastic counterparts, not least because of the (minor) distinctions differentiating those who would admit (if reluctantly) that yes, [[We ARE Struggling Together!]].
 
The contempt can vary from amused to outraged, and express itself in anything from shrugging and snarking through [[Irritation Is the Sincerest Form of Flattery|more serious annoyance]] to termination with extreme prejudice. It is not, however, incompatible with using the wannabe as [[The Renfield]], or treating a group of wannabes as "useful idiots", minions, or [[Cannon Fodder]].
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Accordingly, the trope divides along two main paths depending on whether...
 
# The disser ''is'' or has a reasonable case for [[Because I'm Jonesy|being "The Real Deal"]], whether or not the Real Deal has a case for being worthy of respect in their own right, e.g. even if you think that Vampires are kind of silly, [[Vampire Wannabe|Vampire Wannabes]]s are worse.
# The disser actually has a reasonable case (or not) for being acquainted with the Real Deal, and (whether or not in favour of it generally) has a case (or at least think they do) for knowing the fake from the real in the relevant domain, cf. [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Buffy]]'s disdain for [[Interview with the Vampire|Lestat]] wannabes.
 
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== Film ==
 
* ''[[Blade]]'': [[Big Bad]] Deacon Frost is dissed as a [[Vampire Wannabe]] by the elder vampires despite actually being one. As probably the only person on this page who [[Shut UP, Hannibal|didn't wilt under the repeated]] [[Pretender Diss]], he proceeds to torture the head vampire to death and sacrifice the rest for his evil scheme. That'll show 'em.
** Bonus points for said evil scheme being to transform himself into the vampire ''[[God of Evil|god]]''. Especially since said scheme worked (mostly).
* ''[[Dark Knight]]'': Batman scolds the band of vigilantes.
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== Live Action TV ==
 
* A recurring issue between vamps, the Slayer, the Scoobies and [[Vampire Wannabe|Vampire Wannabes]]s in ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]''.
** A specific example in [[Buffy]] occurs in the episode "Lie to Me." Angel is investigating a club full of [[Vampire Wannabe|vampire wannabes]], bemoaning the fact that these teenagers don't know anything about vampires, from the way they act to the way they dress. Cue a wannabe brushing past him wearing exactly the same clothes as Angel.
** People who like to be fed on, including Buffy's long term boyfriend Riley.
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* ''[[True Blood]]'' - A Redneck Vamp threatens a frat boy and a wannabe-vamp clerk. "I'll fuck you, and then I'll eat you."
* The monster hunters of ''[[Supernatural (TV series)|Supernatural]]'' dislike wannabe-hunters, since they tend to derive their knowledge of monsters from popular fiction - which can get them and others killed. When Dean meets Samuel, Samuel tests him with a question about vampires that [[Our Vampires Are Different|a wannabe would fail]].
** Sam and Dean are also very derisive of [[Vampire Wannabe|Vampire Wannabes]]s and vampire fandom in general. ''Supernatural'''s vampires are brutal killers who will use their fans for food without second thought.
** [[The Grim Reaper|Death]] himself delivers one to a power-tripping {{spoiler|Castiel}} in the season seven premiere. "I know God, and you, sir, are no God."
* The bikers of ''[[Sons of Anarchy]]'' do not like posers. However, they usually skip the dissing and go right to severe beating, especially if they feel the poser is disrespecting their colors or their motorcycle.
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** This belief also extends to other cultures where natives or purists feel "If you're not 100% X and/or aren't from X, then you're not a true X."
** It could also extend to any who play up a national heritage during an appropriate holiday and go back to ignoring it for the rest of the year.
* After [[The Great Politics Mess-Up]] lots of people "suddenly saw the light!" or "always felt that way, honest!" all over ex-USSR. They tend to be seen as weasels by everyone else, but no one despises them deeper than the ''real'' dissidents, especially a few exiled from USSR.<ref> even despite the general trend to not let anyone out, no matter what -- [[Beyond the Impossible]]</ref>. These invented several new vitriolic terms like "almost shot ones". Much the same happened after [[Joseph Stalin]] was denounced by his boar-like successor's [[New Era Speech]]: those who were seriously against him while he was alive tend to call the crowd loudly striken by "revelations" names such as "jackals baying on the dead's tiger grave" -- remembering—remembering that the tiger was a man-eater, but the same jackals weren't too picky about leftovers.
 
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