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*In the ''[[Code Geass]]'' fandom, Shirley gets bashed to the point of being a [[Ron the Death Eater]], which some people claim is just because she's "weak and stupid" for loving Lelouch and not being more badass and stoic about her situations, even when she's ''genuinely scarred'' by something terrible that happens to her! Her girliness may or may not be cited as a reason, but it's a likely part of it.
**There's also people who bash fearless [[Action Girl]] Kallen for having feelings for Lelouch, saying it makes her seem "weaker".
*And while on the subject of ''[[Code Geass]]''... many, ''many'' female characters from series by [[CLAMP]] have fallen prey to fangirl hate for their femininity, with the most blatant examples being Kotori and Kanoe from ''
*When ''[[Tsubasa]]'' was released, one of the biggest complains was how Sakura was "reduced into a fucking [[Damsel in Distress]]" and "a weak piece of shit" because she wasn't a carbon copy of her [[Magical Girl Warrior]] original self. Nevermind that she had [[Hidden Depths]] like everyone in the series and she upgraded to [[Action Girl]] [[Girls
**The end of the Tokyo arc, involving Sakura going off by herself to retrieve a feather proved that Sakura to be one of the most badass characters in the series when she sets her mind to it. The fight against the monster and the trek leading up to it is one of the most brutal scenes in the series up to that point, along with the injuries she sustains, including [[Fingore|getting her fingernails ripped out]] trying to stop herself from sliding down a sheer cliff, [[Eye Scream|suffering eye injury]], and having a metal pipe ''[[To
*What's that, you say? [[
**This trope is also behind some of the Anthy-bashing that goes on in the fandom; apparently, it's peachy-keen that Akio manipulates and regularly forces himself on his younger sister, but because she's the recipient of it, she's a horrible role model and a disgrace to the female sex. Nevermind that pretty much all of the [[Character Development]] is based on pointing out that these kinds of attitudes are wrong and actively stop people from changing. [[Fan Dumb|Le Sigh.]]
***Ironically, this was actually [[Deconstruction|Deconstructed]] in-series. Some people hate Anthy because they think she's a weak, outwardly emotionless doll who claims to have no opinions outside of the Victor's whims; others hate Anthy because they think she's too powerful and manipulative and evil. And some just hate her because ''she'' gets to sleep with Akio, [[Green-Eyed Monster|and they don't]]. Interestingly, ''the entire spectrum of the fanbase's Anthy-haters are present in the story one way or another:'' Saionji hates her because he thinks she's not obedient enough. (Well, he loves her too, [[Bastard Boyfriend|but beats her often enough to make anyone wonder]]); Juri and Kanae feel threatened both by her [[Emotionless Girl]] persona and [[Devil in Plain Sight|the fear that she might be more sinister]]; several of the Black Rose Duelists (specially Kozue and Wakaba) envy her for "being loved" and "stealing their love interests". Then there's Akio himself, who needs to keep "his woman" under his control in order to keep playing the [[Big Bad]] of the show...Ikuhara really seems to know how society views feminine archetypes, and those views are reflected even in the Utena fandom.
**It's not just the haters; it's her fans too. Some fans, like the characters Miki or at first, Utena, see her as a classic [[Damsel in Distress]] archetype for them to rescue/defend on the forums, in order to boost their own egos. However, it should be noted that people who view Anthy as such are much rarer than the [[Ron the Death Eater|Anthy-Is-Satan variety]], because the series does eventually make clear that Anthy is most definitely not an emotionless doll, but that she is an extremely screwed up [[Broken Bird]] due to how she deconstructs the [[Damsel in Distress]] archetype.
*A wedding motif automatically means that ''[[Wedding Peach]]'' ''must'' be a pile of misogynistic brainwashing destined to convince young girls that they should get married, married, ''married'', and not wish for anything else in their lives? ''Really!?''
*''[[Monster]]'' is a series that brutally deconstructs many, many shonen/seinen tropes. Nina Fortner/Anna Liebert is a [[Deconstruction]] of [[Action Girl]], showing that just because a woman has ass-kicking physical abilities does NOT mean she's automatically immune to [[Break the Cutie|the horrifying trauma]] that Johan (himself a [[Deconstruction]] of the [[Complete Monster]] and [[Magnificent Bastard]] tropes) puts her through. The fandom, however? They refuse to stop think of it and immediately start the wails of [[Chickification]] on sight. One thing is not being satisfied with Nina's [[Character Development]] and thinking it could've handled and/or Deconstructed her trope better, but another is simply pegging her as weak and idiotic for not killing Johan in cold blood when she has the chance.
*Mikan from ''[[Gakuen Alice]]'' gets shit for similar reasons to the previously-mentioned Lucy from ''[[Fairy Tail]]''. So instead of beating up Natsume, Hotaru and others for their treatment of her, she decided to apparently take it, while resolving to start strenghtening herself so they would stop calling her weak? [[Sarcasm Mode|Urgh, what a stupid]] [[Extreme Doormat]] [[Sarcasm Mode|bitch and ''bad'' role model for little girls she is,]] ''[http://caithyra.insanejournal.com/31553.html indeed]''.
*Miaka from ''[[Fushigi Yuugi]]'' gets hit with this a lot. Okay, so ''can'' she can be quite [[The Ditz]], she isn't the best in her class, [[Distress Ball|she ''does'' have to be rescued by others
**It gets worse. Fans of the prequel series ''[[Fushigi Yuugi Genbu Kaiden]]'' love to crow on about how Takiko is superior to Miaka in every way for being a "strong" and "mature" [[Action Girl]] who can take care of herself. This would be annoying enough by itself (for starters, the fans forget that Takiko is both older than Miaka ''and'' [[The Roaring Twenties|from an earlier]] [[Imperial Japan|time period]], so she'll naturally be more mature because of the culture she grew up in) but a few people have gone as far as to say they'd be ''personally offended'' if Takiko dies at the end of ''Genbu Kaiden'' while Miaka got to live and be with Tamahome... even though that's a [[Foregone Conclusion]] ''as indicated in the original manga''! That's right, there are fans who want to see a [[Retcon]] ''solely'' because they hate Miaka and love Takiko so much. [[Fan Dumb|Make of that what you will.]]
*Kaoru Kamiya of ''[[Rurouni Kenshin]]'', full stop. [[Faux Action Girl|Sure, she's not the top fighter in the ''RK'' world]], but the utter crap she gets for being emotional and not having nerves of steel...
**The Jin-E incident has to be seen to be believed. As far as her bashers are concerned, all Kaoru did was end up fainting. Not only that, they assume that she only recovered because Jin-E killed himself....which is made doubly ridiculous because: a) until she was put in the [[And I Must Scream]] situation, Kaoru was remarkably calm about being kidnapped by the local [[Knight of Cerebus]], something that would ''very understandably'' send others in absolute BSOD's; b) Kaoru broke off said [[And I Must Scream]] situation ''by herself'', which Jin-E himself acknowledged; c) Kaoru breaking free and thus outgambitting him ''was one of the reasons why Jin-E killed himself in the first place.'' (aside of having Kenshin-as-Battousai cripple him before almost giving him the fatal hit that Kaoru ultimately stopped.)
*Sanae Nakazawa of '
**Not to mention, Death the Kid was a [[Distressed Dude]] and even had a brief [[Face Heel Turn]] ''in that same arc'', but Maka is a weak and stupid bitch because of what happened to ''her'' while they don't say anything about ''him''. [[Double Standard]], indeed...
◦ And while a part of the Hitomi Shizuki hatedom comes from her being more assertive in romance than Sayaka, at least enough to tell Sayaka straightforwardly that she will confess her feelings for Kamijou if Sayaka doesn't take the initiative - and doing it, a part of it comes back to this trope. Apparently being both a girly girl and more honest/outspoken with her thoughts and feelings than a tomboy is forbidden, and if a said girly girl dares "break" that unspoken rule, she's a whore and a bad person. ◾ And the "feminist fandom" also conveniently "forgets" that Magical Madoka is likely to be the most powerful Magical Girl... and then become almost instantly the most powerful Witch as well as the destructor of the Earth. Taking levels in badass brings huge consequences in this series, but that particular Fan Dumb group doesn't seem to give a shit and DEMANDS for Madoka to ignore them so she can "become a strong female character" that fits their inhumanly huge standards of what a "worthy woman" should be. URGH. ▼
**Mind you, this only applies to the current time-line that Madoka is in. In the other time-lines that get shown, she is ''a lot more'' headstrong that her current portrayal. In a odd sense of irony, the same traits used to vilify Madoka can be used against [[Tall, Dark and Bishoujo|Homura Akemi]], since it turns out that when she first started, [[Not So Different|Homura then and the current Madoka were surprisingly alike]]. [[Adrenaline Makeover|Still, this being]] ''[[Deconstructor Fleet|Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'', Homura being all [[Moe|cute, weepy, shy and]] [[Adorkable|adorable]] [[Break the Cutie|simply doesn't last]] [[Broken Bird|nearly as long]].
◾ And for that matter, girls young enough to need role models probably shouldn't be watching Madoka Magica. ▼
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• In Freezing, it's interesting to try to apply this trope to the main character, Sattelizer L. Bridgette. As a child, she was sexually abused by her half-brother, resulting in her have a paralyzing fear of being touched. At her mother's deathbed, she was told to never give up and not take shit from anyone any longer, and a little later on she became a Super Soldier Action Girl. However, rather that this solving all her problems as per this trope, this in fact did not help at all, as this did nothing for her fear and resulting in her savagely beating the crap out of anyone who came close to her, causing her to be feared and hated by all. It's only when she falls in love with a male, Aoi Kazuya, the first guy to be nice to her, that she slowly starts to get over her problems and work on them. ▼
***And the "feminist fandom" also conveniently "forgets" that Magical Madoka is likely to be the most powerful [[Magical Girl]]...and then become almost instantly ''the most powerful Witch'' as well as the destructor of the Earth. [[Took a Level In Badass|Taking Levels In Badass]] [[Deconstructor Fleet|brings]] ''[[Crapsack World|huge]]'' [[Deconstructed Trope|consequences in this series]], but that particular [[Fan Dumb]] group doesn't seem to give a shit and ''demands'' for Madoka to ignore them so she can "become a strong female character" that fits their inhumanly huge standards of what a "worthy woman" should be. ''Urgh''.
*Fans of Mai Hime have accused Akira Okuzaki of Chickification for wearing girlier clothes towards the end of the story. Not only it ignores that several of the HiMe are actually rather feminine girls or use their feminine wiles for their purposes (Shizuru is a Lady of War, Natsuki is a Gunslinger who wears her hair very long and loves collecting lingerie, Mai herself is very motherly and a [[Supreme Chef]], Nao is a [[Fille Fatale]] who uses [[Zettai Ryouiki]], etc.), but also "forget" that the main reason Akira dressed up as a guy is that she was trying to hide the fact that she was a HiMe in the first place, thus she started wearing skirts only when her mission was over and had no real reason to hide her gender, therefore it was okay to indulge herself a little in girlier stuff if she wanted to. Girliness Upgrade, yeah; Chickification, uhm, no. ▼
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*Both averted and not-so-averted in Tiger & Bunny: ▼
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**There hasn't been much backlash against the scene in the Grand Finale during which Pao-Lin/Dragon Kid puts on a cute sundress before an outing with her parents. This is probably because it's easy to interpret it as her reaching a compromise with them about acting a little girlier instead of rebelling all the time, rather than as a sign of her relinquishing her determined boyishness. ▼
▲*Fans of ''[[Mai
**In contrast, many people complain about Karina/Blue Rose's role as [[Smitten Teenage Girl]] where Kotetsu is concerned, under the notion that it has become "her only character trait", whining about how she "never gets any character development". Note that Karina is not a main character, and yet is the only member of the supporting cast to get anything resembling a proper backstory; her role as an [[Ordinary High School Student]] is intentionally played to provide grounds for her doubts about full-time superheroing and her eventual developement of confidence as a superhero — despite how her sponsors are specifically marketing her as HeroTV's [[Ms. Fanservice]] + [[Faux Action Girl]]. ▼
▲*Both averted and not-so-averted in ''[[Tiger and Bunny|Tiger & Bunny]]'':
*Nanako Misonoo from Oniisama E gets this from viewers of the anime (especially on YouTube) for being not fighting back from her bullies. ▼
▲**There hasn't been ''much'' backlash against the scene in the [[Grand Finale]] during which Pao-Lin/Dragon Kid puts on a cute sundress before an outing with her parents. This is probably because it's easy to interpret it as her reaching a compromise with them about acting a little girlier instead of rebelling all the time, rather than as a sign of her relinquishing her determined boyishness.
▲**In contrast, many people complain about Karina/Blue Rose's role as a [[Smitten Teenage Girl]] where Kotetsu is concerned, under the notion that it has become "her only character trait", whining about how she "never gets any character development". Note that Karina is ''not'' a main character, and yet is the only member of the supporting cast to get anything resembling a proper backstory; her role as an [[Ordinary High School Student]] is intentionally played to provide grounds for her doubts about full-time superheroing and her eventual developement of confidence as a superhero — despite how her sponsors are specifically marketing her as HeroTV's [[Ms. Fanservice]] + [[Faux Action Girl]].
▲*Nanako Misonoo from ''[[Oniisama E]]'' gets this from viewers of the anime (''especially'' on [[YouTube|YouTube]]) for
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* The creation of ''[[Wonder Woman]]'' was William Moulton Marston's attempt to address this in society:
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