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A plot point where a mortal persuades the [[Powers That Be]] to come to their aid or postpone/abort an act of divine wrath.
 
Compare [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?]], where mortals manage to defeat something infinitely more powerful. This trope is about mortal wits (or emotions) finding the right words to convince a superhuman intelligence. Compare/contrast [[Bargain Withwith Heaven]], [[Deal Withwith the Devil]]. Also not to be confused with [[Pals Withwith Jesus]], where the character has stable working relationship with higher powers.
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== [[Anime]] & [[Manga]] ==
* In the end of ''[[Scrapped Princess (Light Novel)|Scrapped Princess]]'', Pacifica Casull convinces {{spoiler|Lord Mauser to give humanity another shot at the aliens}}.
* In ''[[Magic Knight Rayearth (Anime)|Magic Knight Rayearth]]'', Fuu and Umi plead with Mokona to let them help Hikaru. They then manage to somehow pass the gate to the other world (earth), so it's implied he let them
 
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Laurie talks with Dr. Manhattan on Mars in ''[[Watchmen (Comic Bookcomics)|Watchmen]]'' and convinces him to come back to Earth to help with the current crisis.
* There was an issue in ''[[Spider -Man]]'' where Spidey dies along with a little girl he was trying to save. After a brief fight with [[Thanos]], he talks to [[The Grim Reaper|Death]] herself, convincing her to allow a little girl to come back to life. In honor of his bravery, Spider-Man comes back as well.
 
== [[Film]] ==
* Jake in ''[[Avatar (Filmfilm)|Avatar]]'' communes with Eywa and asks her to help the Na'vi fight off the human invaders. Neytiri doesn't think she'll intervene, until the battle reaches its [[Darkest Hour]], and then...
* ''[[Xanadu (Film)|Xanadu]]''. Sonny, upon finding out that Kira is a muse, goes to this strange neon dimension and tells Zeus off for forcing Kira to come home. Hera and Zeus discuss it but decide not and dismiss him. Kira begs, and they reconsider.
* ''[[Bill and Ted (Filmfilm)|Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey]]'' has them going to heaven to ask God for help, rather than to intervene and act himself, directly.
 
== [[Literature]] ==
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* In the backstory for the ''[[Belgariad]]'', Gorim got UL to accept the would-be Ulgos as His chosen people with a combination of nagging and guilt-tripping.
* The ''[[Percy Jackson]]'' series is the definition of this trope. Percy and Co. often convince the gods to either a, help them, or b, at least not to destroy them completely.
* Towards the end of [[Discworld (Literature)|Discworld]] novel ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Small Gods|Small Gods]]'', the seemingly simple-minded Brutha, who has just been made high priest of his religion, talks his own god Om into letting Brutha take the religion on a radically more tolerant and open-minded course. Many years later in other books, characters occasionally mention that the religion is very popular because of those principles.
* In [[Vernor Vinge]]'s ''[[AZones Fireof Upon the Deep (Literature)Thought|A Fire Upon the Deep]]'', individuals and civilizations sometimes try to petition one of the Powers for intervention, and sometimes it works.
* Subverted in ''[[Arcia Chronicles (Literature)|Arcia Chronicles]]'', where Roman (an immortal elf but still far from divine power) seeks the aid of the Lightbringers who abandoned Tarra: the only one (of seven) he ever finds, the [[War God]] Anges, is barred from returning to Tarra.
* In "The Last Trump" by [[Isaac Asimov]], God announces that it's time for the Judgement Day, but a junior angel notices a loophole in the declaration, plucks up his courage, and successfully argues for the whole thing to be postponed. (God's reaction to the argument turns out to be, more or less, "Oh good, I was hoping somebody would bring that up".)
 
== [[Live Action TV]] ==
* ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'': Ben Sisko gets the Prophets to intervene during the climax of the episode "Sacrifice of Angels"; they wipe out an entire Dominion fleet entering the wormhole.
* ''[[Supernatural (TV series)|Supernatural]]'': Dean asks [[Death]] to restore Sam's soul. Death has a price: Dean has to be [[Subbing for Santa|Death for one day]]. Dean fails, but Death's a nice guy and does it anyway.
* On ''[[Mystery Science TheatreTheater 3000 (TV)|MST3K]]'', they spoof this trope while watching Jack Frost, specifically the scene where the girl has to finish her sock before the sun rises, and the girl asks the sun to wait.
* In ''[[Babylon 5]]'', Captain Sheridan manages to convince the Vorlons, an ancient powerful race so far beyond the younger races as to be nearly gods in comparison, to directly intervene on behalf on the younger races against the [[Big Bad]] race called the Shadows. The Shadows are as powerful as the Vorlons and are their chief rival, however previously, the Vorlons would only use younger races as proxies against them rather than involving themselves directly in the fight.