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== Shinji becomes an angel during the Zeruel battle ==
Think about it. Shinji's eyes turned red. Now both {{spoiler|Rei's and Kaworu's [[Red Eyes, Take Warning|eyes are red]] (and are the only people to have red eyes, which shows their part angel status)and when Shinji was pulling Rei out of Zeruel's core, his eyes changed to the exact same tint of red as Rei's and Kaworu's.}}
* Alternatively, [[Tomato in the Mirror|Shinji already was an Angel]].
** No Shinji, you ARE the angels! [[And Then John Was a Zombie|And then Shinji was a zombie.]]
*** Actually, that makes a bit of sense, seeing as during the fight with Zeruel Shinji was pulling off stuff that only full-blown angels were supposed to be able to do such as [[Shinji and Warhammer40K|weird crap with his AT field]] and shooting [[Eye Beams]].
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*** Are we forgetting that Evas are just jury-rigged Angel clones? All that stuff could have just been 01, triggered by Shinji's <s> [[Wangst]]</s> [[Hot-Blooded|determination]]
*** I know the EVA 01 is a clone of {{spoiler|Lilith}} but when EVA 01 ones goes apeshit and angel mode Shinji is usually knocked out. In this, [[Unstoppable Rage|he is pissed]] and his [[Red Eyes, Take Warning|eyes turn bright red]]. Could the EVA turned into him something more than human? is he gonna start [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|combining all the EVAs and create drills made out of AT Fields?]] We won't know until we get 3.0 and 4.0
*** We are warned of really awful stuff happening when Synch ratios get too high.
*** Ritsuko (or maybe Misato? I can't remember which) explicitly states that if Shinji were to continue he wouldn't remain human.
**** It was Ritsuko, and she looked ''very'' concerned
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**** Aww, but why was Shinji shocked when he saw that Eva 01 was alive in NGE?
{{quote|'''Shinji:''' What is Eva...?}}
***** Because being told something is an [[Informed Attribute|artificial life-form]], and then [[Brown Note|seeing it for yourself]] in all it's eldritch glory are two entirely [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief|different]] [[Go Mad
***** Alternatively, there is a difference between being biological and being alive.
****** This might actually be true. Think back to NGE episode 1. Misato told Shinji to just concentrate on walking, but Shinji had no clue how to do that, so she explained it to him. In Rebuild 1.0, during Shinji's first launch, Misato tells him to just concentrate on walking, and Shinji just thinks "walk", and the Evangelion begins walking. This time Misato didn't have to tell Shinji how to make the EVA move.
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** Further, '''she shows him Lilith.'''
* ALL THE EVA CHARACTERS ARE TRAPPED IN AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF [[wikipedia:Samsara|SAMSARA!]]
* [[Haruhi Suzumiya|We've entered an endless recursion of time.]]
* [[Incredibly Lame Pun|The NeverEnd of Evangelion]]<ref>Stole it from a doujin!</ref>
* Kaworu may have experienced this endless-rebirth cycle near-infinite times too, judging from his "I'll make you happy" quote.
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A fan theory in the original series suggested that Kaworu was born from the human DNA inserted into Adam that started Second Impact. If the same thing happened in this continuity then...yeah. Of course. it's still possible he's referring to Adam in Gendo's hand...''except Kaji brought him something else this time''.
== What the hell is Mari Illustrious Makinami? ==
* ''A Deconstruction of the [[Mary Sue]] /[[Moe]] Girlfriend'' The accusations of Mari Illustrious being a [[Canon Sue]] are correct… [[Parody Sue|in a way]]. [[Word of God|Kazuya Tsurumaki]] stated, citing Anno, that "Mari is the only character who isn't somehow dervied from Anno's psyche" and also that she is "meant to be wildly different from every other character". If she’s not from ‘’Anno’s’’ psyche, couldn’t she be from [[Fan Dumb|ours]]? She’s got everything a male fanfic author would want in an imaginary girl friend, and everything a female [[Self Insert]] writer is sure not to forget adding in: a gimmicky outfit (glasses, twintails, kneesocks), a weird [[Verbal Tic]], [[Manic Pixie Dream Girl|little sense of personal space or social etiquette]], a contrived [[Crash Into Hello]] with the male lead… that she has a [[Blood Knight]] battle mode isn't even much of a subversion. A seemingly sweet and cuddly girl has a psychotic mode is old hat to otaku who love to make [[Memetic Mutation|sweet characters into secret psychopaths]], and the sort of otaku silliness the writers would love to poke fun at. She even acts, on occasion, like myriad fan-portrayals of a vicious, [[Blood Knight]] Shinji! She seems to shrug off any damage inflicted on her as we would expect a Mary Sue to do, but this is deconstructed by making her some sort of bloodthirsty masochist. She acts in a sueish way, taking everything lightly, but then she does poorly in both her engagements, with her Evas badly damaged or destroyed. Her personal Eva unit 05 is "special," radically different from any of the others, but those differences cause it to be noticeably less effective in battle, not more. She talks about having plans she doesn't want adults getting in the way of, but she has so little connection to the actual main character that we still barely see her do anything. She even has what might be a Mary Sue token flaw in her glasses, though that too is deconstructed by making her completely [[Blind Without'Em]]. But, the problem with the [[Mary Sue]] is that she, herself, is surreal. Mari lives in a [[Crapsack World]] and enjoys every minute of it; and will not acknowledge her mistakes, how is that ''not'' insane? Like other [[Parody Sue]] s before her, [[Break the Haughty|eventually, the toll of not being as superior as she thought she was will take its toll…]]
* '' A Re/Deconstruction of the standard [[Super Robot]] protagonist'' As Shinji was a genderswapped inversion of the standard teenage SR pilot when it was first created, Mari is the Badass, straight ahead, 1% into 100% version. Her [[Blood Knight]] status and cheery love of battle is vaguely reminiscent of [[Getter Robo|Ryoma Nagare]], she gets to pilot the primarily red Unit-02, and the color palette she's presented in ZA BEASTO mode is [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|a peculiar]] [[Getter Robo|green and red]]. Her introduction song in Provisional Unit-05 sounds like something out of Gunbuster, as does her pre-Beast code quip of "Sometimes you've got to risk it all to get that special something". She's basically a chimera of Studio GAINAX's previous [[Super Robot]] heroes with glasses. She's got Noriko's guts (and tits), Nono's weirdness, and Kamina's hotheadedness. The subversion of trope is the fact that she has come dangerously close to dying in both her fights; there’s even odds that her "problem" is either she's a [[Death Seeker]], and/or she ends up [[Anyone Can Die|mirroring Kamina in more ways that her fans would like]].
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** Well, considering Rei's red eyes and blue hair =/= Yui's brown eyes and brown hair, why the hell not? This has some standing.
* I know WMG's are supposed to be wild, but:
** If the whole "mother's soul" dynamic still holds in Rebuild for Evas aside from Unit-01 (because Yui was confirmed in 2.0 to be in there), then Asuka wouldn't have been able to sync up with Unit-03, unless Unit-02's core was transferred into 03 before the ordeal. But if that's the case, then Unit-02 wouldn't have a core by the time of the Zeruel battle (Unit-03's torso, where an Eva's core is, was completely smashed into goo by Unit-01, so it is highly improbable that 03's core survived), meaning that it could not have been piloted by anyone. So her piloting Unit-02 doesn't really suport her being a clone of Kyoko.
*** Remember the "cross-synch" tests from the TV series, too. It is possible for a pilot to synch with another's EVA, it just isn't as effective and sometimes has some weird side effects (and the dummy system wouldn't work at all if cross-synch wasn't possible). Remember that Asuka ''offered'' to test Unit 03, mostly because she was bored; the NERV folks probably didn't expect her to do much more than start it up and maybe have her walk it around a bit and prove it functioned. Once they confirmed it wouldn't explode ala Unit 04, '''then''' they'd go dragoon Toji into being a pilot (unless Asuka could somehow pilot it well enough to use it as a unit). So it isn't that odd that Asuka can synch with 03, and Mari with 02; they just aren't ''as'' effective as they would be in their "proper" units.
*** Supposing that Touji was considered to be used as a pilot is an assumption that relies entirely on the original series's canon. Ritsuko did mention there being back-ups for the pilots, but it's never mentioned that any of Shinji's classmates are viable candidates in Rebuild.
*** It's also worth remembering that "synch" is partially a function of the soul inside the EVA as well; if a soul inside an EVA doesn't like the pilot, they won't boot or odd things will happen (see 01 (aka Yui) refusing to boot via dummy plug). Given that we've also seen "cross-talk" between an EVA's soul and a pilot's, it's reasonable to assume they can stay informed of a situation via the surface thoughts of a pilot. So, when Mari hops in to Unit 02, Kyoko realizes a) Asuka is injured and can't fight and b) NERV HQ, and thus her injured daughter, is in imminent danger. It isn't out there at all to think that 02's thought process is then "my daughter must be protected, very well stranger, we will fight together this one time." So Mari doesn't need to be a "Kyoko clone" to synch with Unit 02, 02 just needs to have a good reason to listen to a stranger - which she had.
** Wouldn't that be Kyoko Zeppelin Shikinami (unless Asuka adopted the name later)?
*** Oops. My bad.
** Yui's eyes are green. Like those of Eva-01. OH SNAP!
*** Remember that EVA-02 was the first Combat Deployment-type Evangelion built. First. Indicating that more would be made. EVA-03 was probably another Combat Deployment-type. And besides, if it's meant to be launched in emergency situations, having the soul-synch-thing in EVA-02 and EVA-03 would be one huge handicap, as it would mean only one person would be able to properly pilot them. So it is quite possible that EVA-02 and EVA-03 don't even have souls in Rebuild.
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== Mari is a clone of [[FLCL|Ninamori]] with the same taste in glasses. ==
Just look at [http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/nativsis/Anime/NINAISMARI.png those color]{{Dead link}} [[media:Resized_Mari.png|palettes.]]
* More than likely Mari is a Expy of Ninamori. Like how all of Studio Gainiax's main characters Post-Evangelion are Shinji with a differenet upbringing.
== The "mother soul" rule only applies in full to Eva Units 00 and 01. ==
As Asuka said, Unit-02 is the first Eva made specifically for combat. It's problematic if the [[Humongous Mecha]] syncs only with one person--what are they to do if said sole pilot is injured? In this way, both Unit-00 and 01<ref>despite Yui-sama's inherent awesomeness</ref> could be considered "flawed". Especially 00, since it is the prototype. 02 is an upgrade; the same goes for 03. The "mother soul" probably makes it ''easier'' to sync, but the upgrade renders it no longer necessary--hence why Asuka could sync with 03, and Mari with 02.
== ''Final'' will have a battle against ADAM. ==
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* A [[Diebuster]] reference, I see.
== The pilots are the [[media:Adams_7116.png|"Adams"]]. ==
Quoth the preview for ''3.0'': "The reunion of children whose destinies were determined by fate." The corresponding image shows four shadows. These are likely Shinji, Asuka, Rei, and Mari. This is the reason why they can sync with the Evas and do spiffy things such as those shown in the "GIVE AYANAMI BACK" scene.
* But then, that brings the question: What's up with Rei, and why is she so different from the other three?
** She's Lilith like she was in the original.
*** actually, I disagree. I think the fourth ADAM was, in fact, Kaworu. Think about it, he's a pretty important character from the TV series as well as some other continuities, so it would only make sense for him to be one of the [[ADA Ms]]. Not to mention, he gets his day in the limelight in Rebuild too.
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*** And ''then'', for a little cherry on top of the [[Nightmare Fuel]] sundae? Since she's in Unit 03, ''she gets to feel like she's been strangled to death'' '''''anyway'''''. Remember, she was (probably) synched to 03 and/or Bardiel while it was being choked and ripped apart (and "her" arms were the ones that kept trying to fight the longest), so...
** I '''like''' it. The only thing I see wrong is that Unit-03's second set of arms are obviously male, with a thickened, heavier lower arm and hair on the top. However, it's not unlikely that the arms are a combined thing - the rage of Asuka, the strength of Bardiel, given form in Unit-03's attack.
* The eyepatch at the trailer of Rebuild 3.0. It is the same eye Asuka had gotten injured in her last stand during End of Evangelion. Her damage post-battle is far too specific to be a coincidence.
* The smile at the trailer of Rebuild 3.0, what does it mean? Does it mean that Asuka manages to overcome these problems, and comes out as an even stronger person, or is it a facade to avoid showing weakness, the thing she has always tried to do? Or... is it a "I'm going to murder ''all you motherfuckers''" [[Slasher Smile|kind of smile]]? The rest of her facial expression, after all...
* There's also the fact that what we see of her experience in Unit 03 looks and sounds a ''hell'' of a lot like Shinji's experience in the "River of Souls" in ''EoE'', giggling and all. The imagery can't just be coincidence; longtime fans are ''supposed'' to see the similarities.
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== During the Final Battle the Tone Compleatly Shifts To Old School Super Robot ==
All the Pilots will be Hotblooded, and everyone will scream out the names of their attacks, as the Eva's suddenly gain weapons and powers we've never seen before. This will be due to the Spiraling power of their couragious hearts or something.
* And then Gendo joins Master Asia style and start owning Angels on foot,[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSbLLzrqUw or alternately...]
* SUPER COMBINING EVANGELION.
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== Third Angel Speculation ==
Notice how Sachiel is now the 4th angel instead of the 3rd? That brings to question, who is this missing third angel that came after Adam and Lilith? I don't know, but my bet's on [[Satan|the evil guy downstairs]]....
** The Third Angel showed up in the opening scenes of Rebuild 2.0; NERV had managed to capture it before it activated. Mari then kills it.
*** Oh crap right. Dammit.
== Mari will have some kind of [[Nightmare Fuel|psychological problems.]] ==
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== Shinji doesn't need mommy anymore. ==
In the series, Shinji often "won" battles by the skin of his teeth by Unit 01 going berserk. As we know, this is actually [[Mama Bear|Yui doing the fighting.]] In the movies, however, this has only ever happened once - admittedly, it doesn't have a chance to, but one of the more significant berserk episodes is indeed the battle with Zeruel. This time around, Shinji was in full control. This could mean that Shinji, in addition to involving himself in the world by trying to rescue Rei, is taking control of his life.
His entire life at this point pretty much revolves around Unit 01, and in turn shows his dependence on his mother. Besides that, he shuts out everything else. One of the main features of Shinji's character is that he doesn't involve himself in the world due to his feelings of worthlessness. Then he becomes the pilot of a giant robot and saves the world - big, big change. Shinji then leaves NERV temporarily after the Unit 03 incident, but comes running back to fight Zeruel, even outright declaring that he is the pilot of Unit 01, embracing his role in the world, and then fighting for something he truly cares about... not the fate of the world, but for someone he holds dear, Rei Ayanami. Pretty big step forward from "waaah I'm worthless and only hurt others - fuck the world, fuck me." Even if his rescue of Rei triggers Third Impact, this is a show of personal growth.
Now, the fact that he was in full control of Unit 01 - his "life", so to speak - during this fight hammers in the idea. He didn't need Yui to help him - or, alternatively, didn't rely on her as much, depending on how you connect Unit 01 itself to her, as well as its powers (which, it should be noted, never showed up when Unit 01 berserked in the movies or in the series... only when Shinji took over).
So yeah, Shinji is still saying "fuck the world", but he cares about something (Rei), and is willing to put himself forward and involve himself in life.
== Everything is still going to [[It Got Worse|go to hell]]. ==
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* Well, I guess she's already in there...and she's already naked...and the trailer implied they'd be stuck in there for a while...yeah, this could actually happen.
== Mari is Shinji's [[Opposite
Look closely to her face when she lose her glasses in the parachute's scene. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FCbhCD4M_U Here], between the times 0:17 and 0:21. And yes, they swap their SDAT players.
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** I've heard some interpret this to be the case based on the implied Rei/Shinji shipping from the movies.
*** I'd expect such delusional thinking from shippers. I'm calling it. Frakking [[Jossed]] by goddamn precedent. Plus, who in the hell would she be a clone of otherwise? Just some random OTHER woman who happens to look exactly like Yui?
*** *sigh* Why does every discussion of Rei being a clone of Yui turn into shipping? It's unavoidable; either way she and Shinji will be torn apart by the irreversible hand of fate. That's the whole basis of her character being a clone.
*** Than again, considering that this movie series is a Reconstruction of the source material, and the fact that the [[Ship Tease]] is almost blatantly rampant, especially in 2.0, anything goes. Even if she remains as a clone of Yui, that doesn't necessarily mean that they both won't end up together. After all, Shinji says "There's no Ayanami like you." Again though, this is all a WMG so I could be wrong (the shipper in me hopes that I'm right), but who knows.
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== Mari Makinami is really from the First Ancestral Race. ==
She's on Earth to check up on things,because they are just plain less
neglectful than other Precursors.
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Consider: Before counterattacking, the EVA spews out a ridiculous quantity of blood, which could only attract the Blood God's attention. He granted Shinji the rage needed to get Rei back, demanding more blood to fuel it, which was given when Shinji entered the field, stripping his arms and face of skin.
Khorne, like fanboys, believes the pilot of a [[Humongous Mecha]] should ''not'' be a cowardly little wimp, and [[Never Live It Down|certainly not one]] [[A Date with Rosie Palms|devoted to]] [[Dude, She's Like, in a Coma|Slaanesh]]. More than happy to correct this glaring error in the universe ''and'' steal a worshipper from his hated opposite, he will ensure that Shinji continues to be the terrifying asskicker he should be.
== Unit 06 is the prototype or test type for the MP Evas ==
Based solely on SEELE referring to it as the first true EVA.
== Shinji will learn that Rei is a clone of his mother.... [[The Power of Love|and stay with her anyway]] ==
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== Mari and Kaworu will have to fight each other in their respective Evas. ==
Whether or not you believe that Mari is an Angel, Kaworu definitely ''is''. Mari is going to find this out and, due to her hotblooded nature, get her ass kicked. This'll put Shinji in a tough spot - avenge Mari and kill Kaworu (who's still his friend), or don't avenge Mari and hesitate to kill Kaworu.
== The Rebuild Movies take place in a Potential "New World" for Shinji ==
The movies take place during EOE, when Shinji is basically God and trying to decide what to do with Instrumentality. While experiencing the "new" universe, Shinji has no recollection of the old one(s). ''But Kaworu does''. He's there to guide Shinji to a happier universe, so he'll try to change things in Shinji's favor and help him.
This is EVA however, so it's all gonna end up even worse.
== Rei's feelings are at least partially maternal ==
In the ''Rebuild'' movies, especially ''2.0'', there have been many hints for romanctic feelings between Shinji and Rei. Hell, Asuka even says that {{spoiler|Rei is in love with Shinji}}. My guess is that at least part of these feelings from Rei's side are maternal, due to her {{spoiler|being a clone of Yui}}. She still has romantic feelings, only they're competeting with the maternal ones.
The revalation of this will cause some angsting in the next two movies.
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* This indicates a yield of about two hundred fifty hundred kilotons.
* The blast pressure and associated winds at that range would damage even most "hardened" structures, and ''direct overpressure (and temperature)is enough to directly kill any human not in an air tight structure.''
** The shelter Shinji was in was fine. Eva structures are obviously stronger than real structures, and Tokyo-3's armor and absorbers are impressive, since even Ramiel preferred to drill into Tokyo-3 instead of trying to burn through.
== The Adams are [[Ultra Series|Ultramen]] ==
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This is similar to some of the above WMG that 3.0 will finish the rest of the Angels and FINAL will be the same as/similar to EOE. However, I don't believe that to be the case. So far, given the first two movies, the last Angel battle in the film deviates wildly from the original, moreso than the others. This tells me that the last Angel battle in 3.0, likely Kaworu/Tabris, will also be very different. As a result, either Kaworu and Shinji will become friends and Shinji will [[Take a Third Option]], possibly by destroying the Lilith entity so that there's nothing handy for Kaworu to merge with. However, Kaworu's plan to "make Shinji happy this time" might involve a [[Zero-Approval Gambit]] on his end, so that Shinji will still kill him, but because there was no friendship, it will not be a source of angst.
Then, SEELE becomes the [[Big Bad]] of FINAL, and despite Shinji's, Asuka's, and Rei's best efforts, everything ''still'' starts going to hell a la ''The End of Evangelion''... and at the last minute, [[Hot-Blooded|Mari]] [[Determinator|Illustrious]] [[Badass|Makinami]] [[Bright Slap|Bright Slaps]] all three of them before going on to perform some sort of [[Heroic Sacrifice]] worthy of [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Kittan]] himself, weakening the MP Evas/Unit-06/[[Buffy-Speak|whatever-the-hell-SEELE's-main-anti-EVA-force-is]] and inspiring her friends ([[The Power of Friendship|because given how much more sociable the big three are, it's bound to happen]]) to go on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]], [[Super Mode|unleash their true potential]], and [[
== Utada Hikaru will sing [[Crowning Music of Awesome|Cruel Angel's Thesis]] in one of the upcoming movies. ==
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== Kawuro is either ADAM himself or an entirely new being. ==
Going by the thought that Kawuro knows what's going on and isn't Tabris anymore (from an above wmg), perhaps Kawuro is actually ADAM? It'd explain his breathing in space and his appearent knowledge of what happened in NGE. Plus, ADAM was {{spoiler|embdeded in Gendo's hand}} in the original - it would explain the "father" line.
If he's not ADAM himself, he could just be a human-avatar of ADAM, created and used to watch over the human world and guide things to go the way he wants them {{spoiler|ie: stopping Shinji/Rei/EVA-01/whatever from ending the world}}.
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