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{{trope}}
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{{quote|''"Now you men will only be risking your lives, whilst I will be risking an almost certain [[Plot Armor|Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor.]]''"
|'''Hedley Lamaar''', ''[[Blazing Saddles]]'' }}
[[The Cavalry]] has arrived! Unfortunately, they're all wearing [[Red Shirt|red shirts]]... and they all graduated from the [[Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy]].
Happens all the time in action shows. The hero, who may or may not have any special training or powers, is to be escorted into a "hot zone" by a team of Navy SEALs, [[Elites Are More Glamorous|Army Rangers]], [[Space Marine
Makes one wonder, how did these guys ever pass muster (heck, even survive long enough) for assignment to an elite military or security force if they drop like mayflies in any tactical situation?
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This is sometimes [[Justified Trope|justified]] by the idea that the doomed Red Shirts really ''are'' experts, but they've never had any training in how to fight beings that can kill them just by looking at them funny.
As the singular [[Red Shirt]] is the "good" counterpart to [[Evil Minions]], the
Often precedes [[Lowered Monster Difficulty]].
See Also: [[A-Team Firing]], [[Cannon Fodder]], [[Conservation of Ninjitsu]], [[Curb Stomp Battle]], [[Lemming Cops]].
'''Note for Tropers''':
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== Anime and Manga ==
* The Marines of ''[[One Piece]]'', despite antagonizing the protagonists, who ''are'' pirates, are full of people who legitimately want to make the world a safer place, [[Knight Templar]] [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] members aside. However, they are mostly victims of the [[Worf Effect]], and by the time of the Paramount War arc, anyone who isn't a member of the admiralty can get swept aside with ease.
* [[The Federation]] forces in the original ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam]]'' had the GMs, mass-produced mecha whose sole purpose was to die in droves against the [[Monster of the Week|latest Zeon special forces mechas of the week]]. They even had red chestplates.
** Not quite accurate. [[Informed Ability|Stats-wise]], they were superior to all the Zeon regular suits but they couldn't stand up to [[The Rival|Char's]] [[Law of Chromatic Superiority|Gelgoog]], [[Eleventh-Hour Superpower|Zeong]], or [[Anti-Villain|Dozle's]] Big Zam ([[Memetic Mutation|which weren't mass produced]]). [[Idiot Ball|Balls]], [[Stealth Pun|on the other hand]] qualify entirely.
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* In ''[[Berserk]]'' any army that doesn't have a main or plot important character in it is dead meat.
** And let's not forget what happened to a lot of the Hawk's Raiders whenever the Hawks went up against an Apostle. {{spoiler|Or what happened to nearly ''[[Sacrificial Lion|everyone]]'' in the entire Band when the Eclipse went down}}.
* Any friendly force in a [[Humongous Mecha]] series that isn't equipped with [[Humongous Mecha]]. (The AD Police in the ''[[Bubblegum Crisis]]'' [[OVA
** If all the main characters have unique mecha, then any friendly force that does have mecha but only has one or two different models is also a
* Ditto Paradigm City's Military Police forces in ''[[The Big O]]''. The lone ones that don't give up by the finale and actually try to join the fight on Roger's side get vaporized in fairly short order.
** This actually becomes a plot point in season two. The commissioner is shown many times to be struggling with the fact that he and his men are almost completely useless against the giant robot-threats that keep popping up everywhere. Its also indicated that this inferiority complex was the reason he was so hostile toward Big O in season one.
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* They may not wear red, but the generic Combat Mages of ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' have a tendency to get mowed down whenever they encounter the current villain's main forces. They're pretty good at keeping [[Mecha-Mooks]] at bay though, and they were able to contain the [[Amazon Brigade|Wolkenritter]] until their [[Mysterious Protector]] appeared.
** In their defense, the main villains of the series are way out of their league. They're essentially cops, and you expect them to be able to take on an insane and insanely powerful mage (albeit with a bit of an [[Informed Ability]]), [[One-Man Army]] magic knights from an [[Artifact of Doom]] and a [[Mad Scientist]] and his super-powered cyborg minions and countless attack drones.
* The Magical Teachers and Students in ''[[Mahou Sensei Negima]]'' during the Mahora Fair arc were woefully unprepared for the fight... so Negi cons the entire student body into making a second
* ''[[The Tower of Druaga (anime)|The Tower of Druaga]]'' has the Army of Uruk and some miscellaneous Climber parties perform a bit better than the rest of the examples of this page, but they're still not as good as the heroes. Season 2 introduces the Golden Knights, who are completely worthless against anyone with a modicum of fighting experience.
* The rebel group Katharon of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]'' looks like the AEUG to the A-Laws Titans, except that the AEUG had great mechas and pilots while the Katharon go into battle with mechas that where useless in the previous season that takes place four years ago. Their only purpose is to momentarily distract the A-Laws while Celestial Beings does all the actual fighting. You have to wonder why they even bother if all they do is die.
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* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'', in both the anime and real life. Think about it. All monsters in the game have the highly specific role of acting as a meat shield between you and your opponent's monsters. They can die incredibly easily if you have the right deck. On the other hand, they can be upgraded into a Badass Army with Equip Spell Cards.
* ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' sees multiple cases of Redshirt armies ripped apart by horrifically powerful aliens and androids. By the time the Buu saga rolls around you'd think they'd have learned that when someone is spotted who flies and uses [[Ki Attacks]] its best to just sit back and wait for those other flying folks to take care of the job before sending waves upon waves of men to die.
* Lampshaded in the cover of chapter 144 of Blade of the Immortal manga which features a dartboard with bullseye being taken up by a picture of the leader (100 points for hitting it) while the outermost ring is a picture of a faceless goon (10 points for hitting it). See it [https://web.archive.org/web/20200122033206/http://view.thespectrum.net/
* ''[[Gantz]]''. Any and all non-Gantz hunters will be utterly useless when it comes to fighting the aliens, as seen from the Osaka arc onwards. Many Gantz hunters and whole teams die in their fights, with the ship infiltration in the End of the World arc being an exemplary instance.
* In ''[[Naruto]]'', despite the ANBU Black Ops supposedly being the strongest ninjas, they are usually killed off pretty quickly.
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* Averted in ''[[Rambo]]''; the mercenary team sent along with the titular character is actually [[Gondor Calls for Aid|quite competent and most of it survives the movie]].
* In the execrable movie ''Time Chasers'' (mocked on ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]''), the main character is rescued by his past self, who sought aid from the Continental Army... who can't subdue a single [[Corrupt Corporate Executive]] with a semi-automatic weapon. Their suckage is lampshaded by the hero's past self commenting "[[Captain Obvious|I don't think they've ever seen an Uzi before.]]"
* The direct-to-video release ''[[Superman: Doomsday]]'' had members of said
{{quote|'''Soldier 1:''' What are we doing? We can't fight Superman.
'''Soldier 2:''' You're right. We ''can't'' fight Superman.
'''Soldier 3:''' Dead men walkin'. }}
* The President's Secret Service detail in ''[[Air Force One (film)|Air Force One]]'' is completely wiped out without so much as ''wounding'' a single terrorist. Then again, the terrorists did have a traitor on their side, massive surprise, and managed to secure the plane's arsenal of assault weapons and body armor before the Secret Service even realized they were under attack. No unarmored security detail outfitted with only sidearms can realistically stand up against heavily-armed and armored commandos in close-quarters. That said, the Secret Service actually did achieve their primary goal: they managed to hold off the badguys long enough to get the President to his escape capsule.
* The Gotham Police Department in ''[[The Dark Knight]]'' fits under this, if only due to their body count, even though they actually prove to be ''quite''
** Almost subverted with the faceless police van driver, except {{spoiler|it turns out to be Gordon}}.
** Their competence becomes clear once Batman made it clear who they are supposed to target. We are given shots of SWATs knocking out and suppressing Joker's henchmen with ease.
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** There are cases when it's played straight. The first scene after the introduction has a US military base completely wiped out by a ''single'' Decepticon. The beginning of the sequel also shows many human NEST soldiers being killed off-hand. It's really the extensive training in killing Cybertronians that the soldiers receive from Autobots that allows them to hold their own (despite massive casualties) in the second and third films.
* [[Peter Jackson]]'s ''[[The Lord of the Rings (film)|The Lord of the Rings]]'' film trilogy uses this ''a lot''. There's Haldir's Elves at Helm's Deep; Faramir's company in both the defeats at Osgiliath; most of Minas Tirith's guard; and most of the Rohirrim when going up against the Mumakil.
** Indeed, so many of Haldir's elves die that they are never seen nor mentioned again for the rest of the trilogy. Which is convenient for avoiding [[Continuity Snarl|continuity snarls]] which might have occurred otherwise as a result of the addition of the elves, who are absent from the [[The Lord of the Rings|original book trilogy]] on which the films are based.
* ''[[Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow]]'' (2004). The [[Private Military Contractors|Flying Legion]] gets strafed by [[Attack Drone|radio-controlled ornithopters]], with exploding hangers and airships galore. On returning to the devastated airbase the only concern of the protagonists however is missing colleague Dex. Mind you, we don't really ''see'' anyone die, so perhaps the [[Killer Robot|killer robots]] were acting under [[Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy]] rules too.
* The Colonial Marines boast extensively of their badass prowess at the start of ''[[Alien (franchise)|Aliens]]'', but it only takes a few minutes for most of them to die. Except for the heroes.
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== Literature ==
* In Eric Flint's ''[[Belisarius Series]]'' series Rana Sanga comments on the battle described in the ''[[wikipedia:Bhagavad Gita|Bhagavad Gita]]'', how it is the most famous battle in all of Indian history and how no one remembers even one of the names of the mere mortals who did all the dying.
* The battle in the next-to-the-last ''[[Animorphs]]'' book involves a
* The Martian army in [[Kurt Vonnegut]]'s ''[[The Sirens of Titan]]'' are deliberately constructed to be utterly wiped out on the moment of contact, in order that the course of human society can be changed by making them feel guilty for slaughtering the poor bastards.
* Subverted and used in ''[[Old Man's War]]'' by [[John Scalzi]]. Subverted because the military arms its soldiers with the most advanced weaponry around, gives them telepathic links to each other and their guns and trains them to be incredibly effective soldiers. Used because the universe is just that damn dangerous and 75% of them don't last more than 5 years anyway.
* Each of the ''[[Ciaphas Cain]]'' HERO OF THE IMPERIUM novels will inevitably feature a part where Cain is forced to enter the jaws of hell, usually accompanied only by his [[Sidekick]] and a
* Partially subverted in the novel ''[[
* Played with in ''[[Gaunt's Ghosts]]''. Occasionally the Tanith First-and-Only is a Redshirt Army, and occasionally they're hyper-competent badasses. It all seems to depend on how prepared they are, and [[Conservation of Ninjutsu|how many of them there are]]. Some books also contrast their performance, usually favourably, with other units', such as the local armies on Aexe Cardinal in ''Straight Silver'' and AT 137 in ''The Armour of Contempt''.
** The Tanith First-and-Only specialize as scouts and skirmish troops and are excellent in missions of that nature. When used as frontline troops where stealth and mobility is not that useful, they take casualties similar to other units.
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* The deghans in the [[Farsala Trilogy]] are the ruling and fighting class of Farsala, but when [[The Empire|the Hrum]] launch an invasion they're all dead within two chapters.
* Odysseus' men in ''[[Odyssey|The Odyssey]]'' may be history's first redshirt army: low survival rate (0%) and futile in every battle, Odysseus makes better progress once they're all dead.
* The German soldiers in ''[[All Quiet on the Western Front]]'' are very, ''very'' badly trained, and tend to die in swarms doing things that every experienced soldier knows not to do. The protagonists all survived their first few battles through sheer luck, and [[Taught By Experience|by seeing how other people died they've learned how to keep themselves alive]]
== Live-Action TV ==
* The [[Trope Namer]] is ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series]]'', where the Enterprise's security personnel wore red shirts and were, to say the very least, [[Red Shirt|expendable]].
** This was a frontier-mission that was so dangerous, that of 12
** This is false. Only ''Constellation'', ''Intrepid'', ''Excalibur'', ''Exeter'' and ''Defiant'' (the latter 3 crew only) were lost. The ''Excalibur'' was presumably salvagable, and the ''Defiant'' was transported to the [[Mirror Universe]]. That's still a high casualty rate but the ''Enterprise'' was not the only survivor.
** Ironically, throughout [[Star Trek: The Original Series|the original series]] the security officers tended ''not'' to be picked off as quickly as were their more [[Red Shirt|unfortunate shipmates]]. In the first season and second seasons, especially, it was the men and women wearing the ''blue'' uniforms who seemed far more susceptible to...well, death.
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== Tabletop Games ==
* In ''[[Paranoia (game)|Paranoia]]'', player characters take on the role of Trouble Shooters, whose job it is to track down trouble in Alpha Complex and shoot it. Given that the PCs are ''supposed'' to [[Killer Game Master|get in over their heads]] and [[Total Party Kill|die]] [[Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies|horribly]], this means the player characters ''are'' the
* Planetary Defense Forces in ''[[Warhammer
** It's been joked that the PDF is the Redshirt Army for the Redshirt Army. Hardly suprising, considering manpower is the only resource the Imperium has in excess.
** Averted in that some PDFs are as good as their Imperial Guard counterparts, if only because quality of soldiers, commanders and equipment varies wildly from place to place. Also justified, as the PDFs best soldiers and units are usually taken to fill up the ranks of the Imperial Guard. It's basically [[Curb Stomp Battle|light infantry vs. the legions of hell]]. Also the only reason that they are considered one is because ''everything else'' is genetically modified, sports ridiculous technology, comes in numbers much larger than theirs or backed by a god of some sort. So the fact that they go up against them anyway makes them a ''[[Badass Army]]'' if anything.
*** [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|Sometimes, they win anyway.]] Look at Sergeant Osmar Adeodatus from [[Damnatus]], who was both PDF and badass. Mind you, he was hand-picked by the Inquisition, and he is [[Conservation of Ninjutsu|the only guardsman we see in the film]].
** The Imperial Guard
*** And more so, lots of lots upon lots of lots of lots of men. They will drown their enemies in their blood, and bury them under their corpses. The only resource the Imperium of Man is never short is manpower. Your soldiers being worth 20 of theirs isn't much good if they can field 50 times the amount of your soldiers.
*** No-where is this made more evident than in the [[Siege Of Vraks]] books. The lords and masters need to re-take a world but its an absolute fortress and it would take a vast (even by Imperial standards) deployment of forces to just go take it back today. The alternative ? A 12 year siege that will ''only'' kill 9 million guardsmen. And then that doesn't even go to plan anyway.
*** The average Guardsman is tithed from the top 10% of his world's PDF. He is equipped with armour that'll hold well against most modern small-arms, and armed with a beam rifle that hits like a 7.62mm round sans the recoil and casing drop, and can be recharged by virtually any power source. They are often trained on Deathworlds - planets that, while technically habitable, are so inimical to human life that Siberian winters looks downright hospitable in comparison. If lucky, they face things that want to kill them or possibly eat them. If unlucky, they face the prospect of being enslaved or being tortured to death over decades or even centuries. At worst, the long, drawn-out death is only an overture to an eternity in a Hell that makes Dante's Inferno seem like a Hotel & Spa vacation.
*** And still, they hold the line.
== Video Games ==
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* ''[[Mega Man ZX]]'' has another group of these, the Guardians. They do much better than the resistance, but when Serpent sends his forces to take out the Guardian airship, it's up to Vent/Aile to bail them out...Then again, all they did was destroy an air-ship and fight off the [[Psycho for Hire]]. The Guardians did most of the work defending their own ship, it seems.
** The Hunters in the sequel get special note for ''averting'' the trope. In fact, they get a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] at the beginning of the game for surviving against the resident [[Psycho for Hire]], and ''stole the Biometal out from under his nose''.
* This is also common in [[First-Person Shooter|First Person Shooters]]. Redshirt Armies can be used as part of the [[Backstory]], explaining why [[It's Up To You]]. Other times, the Redshirt Army is made up of [[NPC
** In the original ''[[Doom]]'', the protagonist's entire military unit is wiped out before the game starts (the protagonist then blasts his way through a demon-filled complex that bested an entire unit of elite soldiers).
*** You find their corpses all the way through hell though, so it's obvious some of them managed to progress (and they probably reduced the number of enemies you face...). I'd say they were quite badass, just not badass enough.
*** Given ''DOOM'' has a love of invisible teleports, sudden ambushes and all other life-ending trickery liberally scattered around every map, it's more likely that these marines were minding their own business and then suddenly found themselves being whisked away and killed off horribly in the space of a few seconds.
** The final stages of ''[[Half-Life]]'' are filled with corpses of Black Mesa Expeditionists. If only they knew you were capable of single-handedly wiping out all [[Mooks]] and defeating the [[Big Bad]], they could've saved all those lives.
** ''[[System Shock]] 1'' & ''2'' also show the
*** To be honest, player character in ''[[System Shock]] 2'' had the advantage of some illegal neural implants {{spoiler|and guidance of insane AI considering him her avatar, though the latter eventually meant additional [[Big Bad]] to deal with}}.
*** Protagonists from both games also have the advantage of the experience of everyone that died before. For example, most people who died in the early hours didn't know about the cyborg conversion chambers, the CPU core controls on the elevators, and so on.
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** Played straight in ''[[Knights of the Old Republic]]'' during the {{spoiler|attack on the Star Forge. The Jedi Council sends you an "elite" strike team of Jedi Knights... all of whom get (easily) killed by the various Mooks the place has to offer.}}
* SeeD in ''[[Final Fantasy VIII]]''. Understandable as, even though they're trained to be elite mercenaries contracted by governments, they're still teenagers with very little real combat experience. Fortunately, they're still able to protect their home base from an invasion by the current military superpower, and hold it off long enough for the protagonists to take down the enemy commanders.
* Whenever a bunch of NPC allies appear in a [[Super Robot Wars]] game, ''they will die before the cut scene is over''. The non-OG games usually use [[Mobile Suit Gundam|GMs]] or other weak [[Real Robot
** Hilariously subverted in Z's Special Disc scenario. In one route, YOU control the Redshirts (later backed up by the Big O). They have grunt mechs and grunt pilots going against a fairly large group of Mooks. Even without the Big O, they can handle them with decent strategy.
* In ''[[Dead Space (video game)|Dead Space]]'', while the main character (an engineer) is able to dispatch Necromorphs by the dozen, a military ship (~100 soldiers) is taken over by a single, non-replicating Necromorph. [[Epic Fail|Fail]].
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*** Not that that wasn't a realistic loss on their side though. In the minute or so following the power grid failure you can see hundreds of Necromorphs if you point a flashlight out the window. That's more then Isaac ever had to contend with at any one time.
* Subverted in the first mission of [[Command & Conquer]]: Renegade. A GDI convoy is ambushed, but with the help of a commando (the player), all the ambushers are killed.
* A mission in ''Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne'' has Kael defending a Draenei village from Fel Orcs. The Draenei return the favor by
* The Hyrulian guards in ''[[The Legend of Zelda]]: [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]''. Despite being heavily armed they are completely outclassed by the shadow beasts (the same goes for most of the NPCs) and most of them are actually ''shaking with fear'' during the encounter. The fact that [[Big Bad|Zant]] himself enter minutes later does ''not'' help their odds.
* The BSAA troops in ''[[Resident Evil]] 5'' actually do put up a decent fight when onscreen, but offscreen they tend to get surprised and slaughtered by boss monsters - except for those poor bastards in the marshlands, who are killed by the Majini.
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** [[Save Scumming]] also works, although it's made more annoying that you can save but not load in Battlescape.
* Poorly trained military in ''[[Dwarf Fortress]]''.
* In [[Paradox Interactive]] games, you can make your own Red Shirt
* In ''[[Kane and Lynch]]'', your named teammates (Lynch, Thapa, Rific and Shelly) are surprisingly ''not'' a Red Shirt Army. You'll rely on them a lot, and they can take a lot of fire before they go down. However, in the civil war level 'Freedom Fighters', Lynch, Thapa, Rific and Shelly each get their OWN squad of four men to command, which all die after one shot.
* The entire point of ''[[Mount & Blade]]'' is to raise a
* ''[[Ace Combat]]'' regularly has the PC flying alongside allied squadrons, but while they do get the occasional kill in they still are considerably less capable than you are. Averted in [[Ace Combat]] 6, where your allies will actually attack the enemies to great effect if you order them to.
* Bravo Team in ''[[Doom]] 3'' gets wiped out before you even find them. Except for one, who is picked off by a Wraith shortly after you meet him.
* In 6 Days a Sacrifice, the final game in the [[Chzo Mythos]], Theo has an unending supply of {{spoiler|Trilby clones}} to protect him.
* ''[[Valkyria Chronicles]]'' has the entire Gallian army. Whenever something needs to be [[Worf Effect|blown up to prove what dire straits we're in]], it's the army, and eventually {{spoiler|the whole thing gets blown up at Ghirlandaio. No one cares because the army is a bunch of faceless, unsympathetic mooks even to the heroes, and the core group of Squad 7 is more worried that Alicia is capable of an explosion like that than the deaths of some thousands, possibly tens of thousands of people.}}
* Queen Deirdranna of ''[[Jagged Alliance]] 2'' uses an actual
* The ''[[Total War]]'' series is bad about this. ''Rome:TW''
* ''[[Metal Wolf Chaos]]'' has the Resistance forces, whose sole skill is "thorough knowledge of how to escape" helicopters that have been shot down. Note, please, that the only reason the helicopters are being shot down is because they are being ''deliberately piloted into missiles.''
* In Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the earth, all the assaulting forces of the Us in Innsmouth get killed, leaving to you the battle
* [[Dawn of War|"We Die Standing"]]
* In ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company]]'' and ''Bad Company 2''; the player's squad are the members of the titular unit. Bad Company is sent in ''before'' the specially-trained assault troops; because those guys are "too expensive to waste". So technically, you are a member of the
** The regular United States Marines during the mission High Value Target could be counted as a redshirt army, given that no matter what, every single one of them dies during or immediately following the ambush.
* Happens in several ''[[Guild Wars]]'' missions. On a story level scale, {{spoiler|in the consulate docks mission. The sunspears easily defeat the regular Kournan army, but then are killed in a cutscene by Varesh's demons, leaving the players to continue the story on their own.}}
* Lampshaded in ''[[
** Also used in the story of '[[
* Completely averted in ''[[Blue Dragon]]''. While it at first looks like a classic scene where a [[Curb Stomp Battle]] is about to occur between the Jibral Military and the [[Big Bad]] Nene, the Jibral Military {{spoiler|proves itself extremely competent and actually ''routs Nene's ship and forces him to retreat'' without any noted casualties.}} They are so good, in fact, that you feel safe leaving your village in their hands.
* ''[[Fallout]] 3'' has the Brotherhood of Steel Initiates play the part, justified, not just because they're initiates, (Usually initiates are born into the Brotherhood and are very efficient by adulthood) but because they're recruited from (presumably) radiation weakened Wastelanders, who are untrained, and can hardly hold their own against the mutated creatures of the waste, much less the {{spoiler|Pure strain, highly trained, descended from U.S. military Enclave soldiers}} Might be played straight with the more experienced Knights and Paladins depending on the difficulty level, and what kind of enemies they're fighting.
* A damn near literal example in ''[[Fable|Fable III]]'': When you're {{spoiler|fighting against Logan's army in the (first) Battle of Bowerstone, the guys on your side that aren't named are an army of guards wearing red shirts. They don't have names. They're just there to shoot the purple-coated guards and get killed.}}
* While NPCs have varying degrees of effectiveness in [[Dragon Age]]: Origins, the cutscene where the Warden encounters the Archdemon atop Fort Drakon plays this trope straight, as a company of soliders is fighting the dragon just as you appear on the scene. The dragon quickly disposes of them all, leaving you to face it alone (barring any troops you may summon).
** Much of ''Origins'' plot revolves around the player trying to gather forces to replace the
* In ''[[
* In ''[[Making History]] II'', militia units have just as many soldiers as regular military divisions, but are ''extremely'' weak, and will get massacred by the thousands against well-trained and equipped armies.
* The [[Mooks]] of the ''[[Dynasty Warriors: Gundam]]'' games are pathetically weak, and exist only to get killed in massive droves by the Aces of each team. They can very occasionally capture enemy fields or even take down Aces, but generally only if said field/Ace has been severely weakened first.
* In the first [[Majesty]], this would be the definition of your henchmen. They do their jobs with no concern for self-preservation. Two of the three guard henchmen, city and palace guards, even come dressed in red. The other guard, the ''veteran'' guards in blue, can replace city guards. They serve little actual combat purpose other than the occasional kill, being distractions for heroes, and not costing anything to replace if (or when) they die.
* In ''[[Prototype (video game)|Prototype]]'' the [[Elite Mooks]] Blackwatch set up to have the marines be a
** Though in a [[Give the Dog A Bone]] twist, they were given the full credit for saving the people of New York from the outbreak.
* With a few exceptions, every single soldier and generic officer in ''[[Dynasty Warriors]] is there to get wiped out by the non-generic ones.
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== Web Comics ==
* In ''[[Goblins]]'', they wipe out part of an army by using a shield that triggers random major magic effects whenever it's hit. [http://www.goblinscomic.com/d/20081010.html\] This tends to subvert the [[Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy]] in that the redshirts that do hit are probably doomed while those who miss may live, or perhaps the goblin is doing a redshirt-type act, as in the background it hints at the word "redshirt" not "redshirts"
* Averted in ''[[The Order of the Stick]]'' where the Azure City Army gives a damn good accounting of itself. Yes, they lose but they take a lot of [[Mooks]] with them and manage a fighting retreat in good order.
* The Caldaian Enforcers of ''[[Sarab]]''.
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** [[Finagle's Law]], or Murphy's Law has combat-specific variants to them, which a number of soldiers may feel to have a reasonable amount of truth to them, such as "Everything always works in your HQ, everything always fails in the Colonel's HQ.". Many other variants of them tend to apply well also, such "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently capable fool."
** In the hands of a [[Four-Star Badass|competent commander]] like Scipio, Marius, or Caesar, the Roman army was [[Badass Army|pretty efficient.]] Unfortunately great commanders don't grow on trees. The Romans tended to lose every battle but the last. Given that republican Roman armies were recruited among small landowners, in the first battles of a campaigns they tended to fare a bit poorly since they were little more than a bunch of yokels with basic training...they got better and better in months (and years) of campaign due to experience. Ironically, once the social class of small landowners vanished, the Roman empire (republic having ceded the way to imperial rule) started to decay.
* There actually was an official
{{quote|''"I am going to give you such a weapon that the police and the army will not be able to stand against it. It is the weapon of the Prophet, but you are not aware of it. That weapon is patience and righteousness. No power on earth can stand against it."''|''Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan''}}
* While not in charge of an official
{{quote|''"Gentlemen, we attack tomorrow. The first wave will be killed. The second also. And the third. A few men from the fourth will reach their objective. The fifth wave will capture the position. Thank you, gentlemen."''}}
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