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== Palpatine threw the final battle. ==
If you watch the battle among Luke, Vader, and Palpatine in the second half of the movie, you come to realize that Luke would have turned to the Dark Side instantly if Palpatine had just shut his mouth. This could have been [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] and the [[Villain Ball]] that he was carrying for the entire movie, or it could be that he had had enough of the Dark Side and wanted to die. (Then again, given how he spends the entire EU trying to come back, it was probably just the [[Villain Ball]].)
* Or he's just [[Drunk
* I reject this for the same reason I reject the theory that he threw his fight with Windu: he's just plain too proud. A master manipulator like him could easily find a way to accomplish the same things without having to suffer humiliation or harm, and he would never allow himself to end up on the short end of the stick to the pitiful likes of...well, anyone, if there's anything at all he can do about it.
* Palpatine didn't want Luke to fall to the dark side. He wanted Luke to fall to the dark side and ''become his apprentice''. The last fight with Vader started with Luke attacking Palpatine and Vader trying to stop him. In other words, Luke is fighting Vader ''in defiance'' of Palpatine. If Palpatine said nothing and let Luke kill Vader, then Luke is killing Vader (Palpatine's apprentice) ''in defiance'' of Palpatine. He may have fallen, but he would have become a Dark Jedi ''rival'' to Palpatine. Even if Palpatine was certain that he was more than powerful enough to destroy Luke in that situation, in the end he would have no apprentice. So he ''had'' to interrupt when he did. It was a test of Luke's loyalty. Now, if Luke kills Vader, ''right after Palpatine tells him to'', then that act would be one of obedience and submission to Palpatine. Only then would Palpatine be sure that Luke is falling ''and'' becoming his loyal apprentice. If Luke remains defiant and refuses to kill Vader, then Palpatine would kill Luke, and he gets to keep Vader alive as his apprentice. There was nothing, nothing, stupid about Palpatine's actions and words there. It was all deliberate and consistent with his plans to that point. His only mistake was not anticipating that Vader would turn on him for Luke's sake. His arrogance was in his assumption that his manipulation and breaking of Anakin Skywalker was complete and irreversible.
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== The Ewoks are the most bad-ass race in the Galaxy. ==
They're willing to take on enemies with far more advanced weapons, like AT-
* Take note that they do appear to be the only species in the entire galaxy that understands the concept (and has the wherewithal to build) railings.
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...and Palpatine is ''fully'' aware of that. Killing Palpatine would've effectively been something heroic, it would have saved the lives of millions, so it was only justified. However, Palpatine is a [[Magnificent Bastard]], after all. Once he directly points out that he's defenceless ([[Blatant Lies|except for the electricity Luke probably doesn't know about]]) ''then'' it stops being outright heroric. Palpatine then messes with Luke's head. If Luke did strike Palpatine down, he would've gone to the Dark Side because he ''believed'' he'd fallen to the Dark Side, due to misplaced guilt and all that.
Imagine if Luke wasn't so [[Lawful Good]] and was instead an [[Anti
* Presumably if he tried at that point, Vader would have intervened, and the fight between them would have just started earlier (and if Vader didn't intervene in time, Palpatine surely could have force pushed or lightning'ed Luke to defend himself). Palpatine's plan was probably to provoke Luke into aggression, get him to start a fight, and let it snowball from there.
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The only time you see Vader really try to kill Luke is in [[A New Hope]] during the Trench Run, and he doesn't even know who Luke is at that point. When the Emperor tells him that "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." Vader's first thought is how to turn Luke, so that they could overthrow the Emperor and end the war, ruling the galaxy as Father and Son. Him fighting Luke at Cloud City was a test, to see what his son's strenghts were, and to try and sway him to Vader's side. Cutting off Luke's hand was an accident, which is why Vader stops attacking him at this point in the duel and instead reveals the truth, hoping to finally sway Luke to join him in overthrowing the Emperor.
Come [[Return of the Jedi]], Vader is reluctant to bring Luke to the Emperor, but does so mostly out of hope that Luke will join him. His comment "It is pointless to resist" is him telling Luke to give in to his hatred of the Emperor, so that they can kill him and become the new rulers. When Luke makes a move to kill Palpatine, Vader steps in to stop Luke from turning to the Dark Side because he knows that Luke, having been swayed by Palpatine, will merely replace Palpaine rather than join with Vader. Notice that never once does Vader even come close to killing Luke, and Luke even manages to get the upper hand a few times (Force Kicking Vader down the stairs). When Luke hides in the shadows, Vader once again tries to talk him into joining him in striking down Palpatine ("Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends.") His talk of turning Leia to the Dark Side is a furtherance of his goal of having the Skywalker family united and ruling a peaceful galaxy. When Luke attacks him this time, he cannot fight back without hurting/killing Luke, which leads to him losing a hand and almost dying at Luke's hand. If you look closely when Vader is lying on the catwalk, you can see him moving his hand as if to say, "Calm down, control yourself," to Luke, who is still wanting to kill him at that moment. He is trying to calm his Luke because killing Vader would leave Luke to be trained by Palpatine i.e. not part of the Vader [[
* I don't believe Vader taking Luke's hand was an accident. You must remember that limbs are easily replaced in this universe (comparable to fixing a broken arm). Luke was not going to stop fighting until he died or was disarmed. At least two times, Vader basically stopped fighting to tell Luke to give up and that he's been beaten, only to piss off Luke more to keep fighting. Couple that with the hit that Luke scored on him (shoulder, I believe), Luke was more powerful and determined than Vader thought. Taking his weapon (and his hand) was the only way to stop the fighting that would end up with one of them dead so that Vader can try to convince Luke to join up.
== Ben and Yoda lied to Luke specifically so he could kill Vader. ==
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