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** But the fact that Saw VI has a lot more men die is literally the only example of possible anti-male sexism in a franchise that includes a man smacking a woman's head against a table while calling her a cunt, ridiculous views on prostitutes (Addison from II was originally meant to get a trap that scarred her face as punishment for coasting through life on her looks... yeah cause all prostitutes are lazy and beautiful), zero ''sexualized'' deaths of men (although I give the franchise credit for sexualizing relatively few women's deaths, it still pops up occasionally), and has far more significant male characters (i.e.: those that drive the plot). I wouldn't say Saw is egregiously sexist either way, but concentrating on this is a bit far-fetched, and it's on every single Saw sub-page, coming across as someone with an agenda.
*** Um, it has ''almost every single male character apart from the villain and [[The Scrappy]]'' die. Not just 'a lot more men'. And in all fairness, that was Eric after having been trapped by Amanda, and he was fighting ''against'' her. Are you ''seriously'' telling me he was ''wrong'' in being enraged against his '''captor'''?? Besides, notice how many women survive their traps against the men who do.
** So in a genre known for its terrible treatment of women, when a franchise comes out that could be argued to [[Subverted Trope|subvert]] and [[Defied Trope|defy]] some misogynistic pitfalls of horror movies, it's still reprehensible and sexist? Well, now you know how a lot of women feel watching a lot of horror films. Also, please note that in ''Saw VI'' the person who has the power to save or doom people is William, a ''man'', and is later killed by Brent, and the whole test was designed by John and executed by Hoffman. So even though more men die in the film than women (and that is the case in every single ''Saw'' film, going by [https://web.archive.org/web/20140717075946/http://sawfilms.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_deaths this site]), it's still the men who are in positions of power and control. Sure, the gender ratio could be more balanced, but it's not the end-all be-all of the entire film and saying that its message is that [[Men Are the Expendable Gender]] (or saying that Shelby deserved to die, which, wait, what?) is [[Completely Missing the Point|missing the point]] of what the writers were saying about assigning arbitrary value to human life.
* It just kind of bugs me that the ''only'' survivor of any of Jigsaw's traps was Amanda, who arguably had the ''easiest'' trap of anyone else in the entire series. The only thing she had to do was cut open another person and dig for a key, which should have been a huge decision and a moral conundrum, but Jigsaw explicitly told Amanda that the person was dead, when they really weren't. Seriously, why did he tell her he was dead? And who was this person that Jigsaw simply chose to die? Did he fail a trap in a non-lethal way, with his "death" being used in this way?
** Probably because cutting someone open is still squick, and realising he's still alive before doing it, makes it nightmare fuel.
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