Saw/YMMV: Difference between revisions

* [[Epileptic Trees]]: Mostly regarding the fate of Dr. Gordon. {{spoiler|Not that it matters as of ''Saw 3D''}}.

* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Adam and Ryan, for being [[Deadpan Snarker|Deadpan Snarkers]] and [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|being heroic despite their less than savory traits]].

* [[Growing the Beard]]: ''Saw VI'' was considered a huge improvement over the previous two films by fans (and critics) alike.

** Unfortunately is one of the least successful financially because the poor quality of the previous few entries had turned people off the series.

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]: ''Saw 3D'' had two potential interesting plot points: what made {{spoiler|Dr. Gordon}} join Jigsaw and the Jigsaw survivor group. Both of them were pretty much ignored in favor of Bobby Dagen's storyline; the survivor's group goes nowhere and {{spoiler|Gordon's}} role amounts to little more than a cameo and doesn't tell us anything that the fans hadn't already guessed years ago. Tragically, both of these would have been explored further (the survivor group would have continued to carry on Jigsaw's work) but they were scrapped as a result of the final two movies being crammed into one.

** The seventh movie also begins with a new concept: A trap appearing ''in public'', where three victims are sealed behind bulletproof glass in front of a busy street. This would've been a very intriguing subplot (how does the crowd react, the societal impact, the added difficulty of setting these traps up without being discovered etc.) Sadly, it's never followed up on, and is hardly even mentioned after the first scene.

* [[Too Dumb to Live]]: Numerous characters, major and minor. The biggest offender is possibly {{spoiler|Lieutenant Rigg, who - even after being constantly shouted at by Eric Matthews to not enter a door - enters the door anyway. And he was even warned once before his game even begun to not go through unsecured doors, either.}}

* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: ''Saw VI'' has the implications that men don't deserve to live (the only male survivor of a trap in the movie is {{spoiler|The Bad Guy Hoffman}}).

*** This issue happened mostly from two things: 1) the first two movies had elements of [[Bloodless Carnage]], which at least avoided any possible fetishization from the more extreme [[Gorn]] of the later movies, and 2) the sequels after Saw III tend to streamline the obvious fact that Jigsaw's philosophy is flawed to the core. And of course, since {{spoiler|Hoffman}} became Jigsaw, it's easy to ignore the shaky moral pretense formed by the first trilogy.

* [[Villain Sue]] / [[The Bad Guy Wins]]: Don't expect Jigsaw to [[Karma Houdini|ever get his comeuppance or fail in his plans]]. The same generally goes for his followers/"apprentices" as well, with rare exceptions.

* [[The Woobie]]: It's hard not to feel sorry for Jill as {{spoiler|she struggles and fails to escape the Reverse Bear Trap at the end of ''3D'', with her happier times with John flashing before her eyes}}.

* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]: Arguably Jigsaw with his tragic backstory in the later sequels. Doesn't excuse the murderous course he took with his life; but it's still pretty damn sad.

** Applies to Amanda in ''Saw III''. Also can describe Hoffman, at least until he goes [[Ax Crazy]].