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** By the end Crowley adjusts his view {{spoiler|describing the war [[Xanatos Gambit|as a game of solitaire that God couldn't ever really lose]]}}.
*** But that's because God isn't really on Heaven's side, but his own, and perhaps of humanity, that both Heaven and Hell consider mere pawns.
* In [[Stephen Baxter|Stephen Baxter's]] ''[[Xeelee Sequence (Literature)|Xeelee Sequence]]'' book ''Exultant'', Humanity fights a War against the [[Starfish Aliens|Xeelee]] over the Milky Way Galaxy where both sides can send information backwards in time using [[Faster -Than -Light Travel|FTL]]. In practice, neither side can ever get an advantage. This goes on for tens of thousands of years.
** And then in one of his later ''[[Xeelee]]'' novels (''The Ring'' I believe) you find out that the Xeelee were really mainly fighting another entity entirely. One with the intent of essentially destroying every star in existence so as to let themselves live longer and easier. Humanity was only ever a distraction that the Xeelee put up with until we got too annoying then they put us in our place. Oh and those pesky {{spoiler|photino birds? They win, the Xeelee loses. The known universe is abandoned.}} As this was the first novel in the sequence I read it was a rather disturbing first impression of the Xeelee.
* The martial-arts version is discussed in ''Market Forces'' by Richard K. Morgan, with one character speculating that the system would be prejudiced against those with itchy eyelids.
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== Live Action TV ==
 
* ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'', "The Fires of Pompeii": two soothsayers (one male, one female) compete to see which of them can tell more about the Doctor and Donna.
** Does the Doctor's earlier seemingly senseless word game with the male soothsayer count?
** The ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'' parody show ''Curse of the Fatal Death'' had the Doctor and the Master in a standoff of sorts where they compete to change the past so that the present would work to their current advantage. Obviously the person who was able to go back the ''furthest'' into the past and anticipate the changes that the other would make would come out on top of the situation. (The standoff ended with the Master accidentally falling into a sewer that took him 300 years to climb out of. He somehow managed to do this ''three times''.)
* ''[[Leverage]]'' has the martial artist variant, though eventually they do start fighting for real. Who the eventual winner would have been isn't clear, as they didn't finish the fight.
 
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* Rather common in both ''[[Mage: The Ascension (Tabletop Game)|Mage: The Ascension]]'' and ''[[Mage: The Awakening]]'', and actually within the reach of a starting player character. As a result, you get a non-negligible number of Mages who walk around warded in things which prevent others from scrying them, while they're looking ahead in the future constantly.
* ''[[GURPS Supers]]'' has an example in its "Mixed Doubles" supplement: Hunchback was a British precog whose powers allowed the Allies to counter the advantage of the Nazi's own precog during world war two.
* The martial arts version crops up in ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' during [[Single -Stroke Battle|iaijutsu duels]]. Each swordsman gets a limited ability to "see" some or all of his opponents stats, and some battles end before the first stroke if one combatant decides he's completely outmatched. It is not considered dishonorable to forfeit a duel this way.
 
 
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** Actually, the Light Prognosticus isn't a telling of a future but a means and thoughts on how to combat the prophicies held in the Dark Prognosticus.
* The plot of ''[[Time Hollow]]'' revolves around main character Ethan Kairos manipulating time to stop an antagonist using the same abilities as himself.
* ''[[Achron]]'' brings us the time-travel version of this. In multiplayer. The players are entities that can shift their perception up and down the timeline freely, [[Ripple -Effect -Proof Memory|while still remembering versions of events]] that became undone.
* ''[[Legacy of Kain]]'' has this in spades. Especially interesting considering the series' (awesome) unholy marriage of [[You Can't Fight Fate]] and [[Screw Destiny]]: [[Anti-Hero]] Kain knows that he has a world-shattering [[Sadistic Choice]] coming, and so goes back through slightly altered versions of the same events over and over again, hoping that, eventually, the right [[Butterfly of Doom]] will come along and allow him to [[Take a Third Option]]. Naturally, [[Gambit Pileup|it gets more complicated from there]].
* In ''[[Sam and Max]]'', {{spoiler|the tutorial on how to use Max's psychic powers in season 3 is actually a psychic flash-forward to the climax of the episode, showing how Sam and Max defeat Skun-Ka'Pe. Near the end of the actual episode, Skun-Ka'Pe takes the Toy of Power that let Max see the tutorial and is able to take the items Sam and Max needed to win before they even begin their plan.}}
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