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* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[Only Sane Man|only really sane men]], knowing damn well how bad the world is, but differ on how they deal with it (which essentially makes Doe Somerset's [[Evil Counterpart]]).
** Well, from his diaries, we know that Doe is the type of man who would vomit on a guy who just asks him about the weather and ''laugh'' about it because he finds the average human being absolutely disgusting, so its not ''quite'' the same thing. Both believe they live in a [[Crapsack World]], but Doe believes that because he is a completely egotistical bastard who ignores his own rampant hypocrisy, so he's not really an [[Only Sane Man]] ([[Ax Crazy|not by a mile]]) so much as [[Right for
* [[Anvilicious]]: We live in a [[Crapsack World]]. The film is not in any way subtle about reinforcing these points.
* [[Complete Monster]]: Oh god, John Doe.
* [[Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy]]: Let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.
** Although Mills and Somerset remain sympathetic for almost the entirety of the movie.
* [[Fridge Logic]]: Doe has an obsessive hatred against "sinners", a grandiose sense of self-worth, and is a perverted sexual sadist. This makes him more guilty of Wrath, Pride and Lust than the victims of those sins. [[Justified Trope|But since he's clearly a nutjob]], this is probably a literal case of [[Insane Troll Logic]].
** More generally, though: it's been [[Gray Rain of Depression|raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months<ref>which, conveniently, is the geography [[California Doubling|closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]</ref>. [[You Fail Geography Forever|Right, then.]]
*** Just say that area is in [[Hand Wave|A Major Rainshaow]]
** The victim of the Lust killing is not actually guilty of the crime of lust herself. Lapse into lazy writing and casual misogyny on the part of the screenwriter, or apt characterisation of John Doe as a woman-hater himself who ''of course'' would blame lust on the prostitute rather then the men she services? Your call, viewer.
*** You could argue that the john is the true intended victim, as now he'll have to live with that memory.
*** It's also possible that John Doe blamed Lust for enabling other people's sins.
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* [[Nightmare Fuel]]: All five murders to differing extents, especially Sloth.
* [[It Was His Sled]]: People who don't know who plays the villain, or what happens in the dénouement, are pretty hard to come by.
* [[Narrowed It Down to
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: Modern viewers might find the notion of [[Saw|a serial killer who implements cruel and elaborate tortures]] to deliver [[Karmic Death]] to his victims to be cliche, but in 1995 it was genuinely horrifying and new. That most of the films inspired by ''Se7en'' have been more focused on the [[Gorn]] and pure shock value aspects of the film than its meticulously-crafted atmosphere and cerebral tone certainly hasn't helped matters.
* [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped]]: {{spoiler|According to John Doe, part of his motivation}}.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: The only explicitly Jewish character in the film, the lawyer Eli Gould, is murdered because [[Greedy Jew|he is so greedy]]. That being said, it's not inconceivable that John Doe is anti-Semitic on top of everything else.
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