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** He only controls certain aspects of the world, namely the corporate sector. The things he doesn't control are pretty open with their hatred for demons. Remember that during that time, Fuschia was in the middle of her character development, trying to change her ways. At that point, IIRC, she was in the [[Anti-Villain]] / [[Punch Clock Villain]] stage of her change. Those who are familiar with redemption tropes know that things like that can be very discouraging to those seeking it.

** Also, the Devil controlling anything doesn't mean his underlings get anything out of the deal. He's the Devil, after all. He's not very nice.

** The point of the comic appears to be a mix of gag a day and slow 'realistic' changes. It took Fushia over a year to start being mostly good, where in other stories, this would happen in a few months to possibly even a week or so. (Not a bash on those kind of stories mind you.) The point is that there is not 'good' and 'evil' but that everyone makes bad mistakes and amazing sacrifices. You can see the good and bad in everyone and learn to love them with all that 'evil' inside them. Besides, Crimmney, who seems pretty good.

* Is it funny anymore?

* The mere existance of that short bitchy femnazi riding around. I really thought this comic had matured beyond such juvenile "[[Family Guy]]" characters, Seymour's fanaticism nonwithstanding.

** The fact that her and the effects of her actions have become the focus of the strip doesn't help her case either.

* It is appalling really, how low Seymour has sunk. In the beginning he was insufferable, but had ups and downs like everyone else. But fast forward some years and suddenly every single frickin' character has pulled back their [[Jerkass]] tendencies, if not undergone a complete personality overhaul, [[My God, What Have I Done?]], or [[Heel Face Turn]] EXCEPT him. even Baby Blue gets [[Jerkass Woobie]] scenes, even Lil' Evil has [[Pet the Dog]] moments, but Seymour has reached the levels of [[The Fundamentalist]] and [[Flanderization]] that Seth [[Mac Farlene]] needed to publicly apologize for. By the time Satan Bomfed him, it wasn't even [[Karmic Justice]], it was shooting a rabid dog in the leg and leaving him to bleed out.

** You're obviously forgetting that Seymour has [[Pet the Dog]] moments as well. His entire relationship with the newest devil girl is the embodiment of pet the dog - but since it's SEYMOUR I guess that people just don't care, right? I don't know, let's see. Instead of instantly writing her off as a savage monster like he had with Fuchsia or zenzapping the demonhood out of her without her consent like Slick and Monique did - he actually tried TALKING to her, helping her, as well as showing concern for her well-being in general. And she was happy to see him, so we can assume that even though he did accidentally say something offending to her - which he realized immediately after he had already said it and tried correcting himself - she didn't hold anything against him. Because he was still rather pleasant to her.

*** Seymour's still a hypocritical, misogynist pig. Sure he may have the rare [[Pet the Dog]] moment (key emphasis on rare), but anything he does is instantly negated in the fandom's eyes by two words: Bad Behaviour. Since he's a fundamentalist, he should be treated like he does others with his [[Knight Templar]] views. "No atonement, no forgiveness."

*** In his defense, he did suffer from karmatic backlash for a while and is now being pulled back. Hell he is acting a lot better now than he did in the first part of the strip.

*** I don't know... I mean, calling her a [[Base Breaker]] would mean there were some people who actually liked her, or at least didn't see her as [[The Scrappy]]. As for Seymour , I think everyone's problem, both the haters and the loony fanboy of a loony fanboy up there, is that while everyone and everything has become [[Lighter and Softer]], Seymour has developed in an almost opposite direction. Even the few villains still played straight are behaving better, either Baby Blue admitting that [[Good Feels Good]], or Satan himself becoming more [[Affably Evil]]. Seymour, on the other hand, is starting to seem like either a failed attempt at a [[Darker and Edgier]] or [[Knight of Cerebus]] character meant to contrast with the tone shift. Don't get me wrong, he definitely had his Bible-thumping moments in the beginning, but he was also constantly smiling, kept the brunt of his zeal confined to private moments of worship, treated the other characters with civility more often than not, and believed in repentance. Heck, during the first half of the comic everyone agreed he was that he was less obnoxious than Ezekial and Ariel. The deterioration of his character, the process of which was too slow to map out exactly where it became in character for him to lay the hate on someone for prejudice's sake, without even trying to get them to convert or repent, left people with the surly and closeminded undesirable that had people questioning what happened, why was the decision to make him a ineffective [[Windmill Crusader]] made, and why in conjuction with a comic 'verse that was just starting to better itself as a whole. The blackening of his view of others, culmulating in his infamous role "Bad Behaviour" as the rejector of the reformed, left everyone feeling he was beyond salvation, still calling it his [[Moral Event Horizon]] even when all became right in the relationship again. Seymour has caused no lasting harm, no real injury, and most can agree that others, both characters and fans, overreact to his actions, and he is starting to follow the trend of better morals and behavior. Unfortunatly, that may not be enough at this stage, he's buried to deep in the scappy heap. Petty were his crimes, in ignorance his assumptions, [[Cool and Unusual Punishment]] is his just desserts, and that is never going to be enough for the hypocrites that hate him for being a hypocrite.

* Actually created an edit account just to say this, but the whole Tangerine arc really bothers me in a way that borders on [[Nightmare Fuel]] (I'm too new to figure out whether it deserves to be put in the currently-nonexistent NF page). It's just that, well, do you remember how Tangerine started out? She was a regular girl walking along who got bomfed. Then there was the unsuccessful attempt to convert her by Seymour, and all the other stuff, and now she serves as a general sort of [[Badass Adorable]], this innocent and childlike (but still sexy) person who's supposed to be somehow above good or evil, and stuff like that. But she used to be a regular girl. She had a family. Friends. She had history, and hopes and dreams and problems and all that stuff. And IT'S ALL GONE. She's basically been brainwashed. One bomf, and everything she used to be is gone, and to all the people who used to know her, she just disappeared. And we're supposed to be okay with it, just because she was given some symbolic awesomeness and an arc with Li'l E? This is horrible! ...Maybe it's because I'm not much of a fan of that comic, just a casual reader, but really, every time I see her in the strip, I can't help but think of her as a victim, and it really really bothers me that I have seen no mention of this as a problem anywhere. What The Hell, Author?

***** More of a child than a ditz, I would say. One of her main points seems to be this innocent, childlike interpretation of everything, regardless of 'good' or 'evil' tags. Anyway, this issue is obviously a very subjective experience; for me, while I see what is loved about her character (and, like I said, agree that she is both adorable and cool), the brainwwashing thing always casts a shadow. I look at her, and I always wonder who she used to be.

**** I'd always gotten the impression that it was the intention of the artist for Tangerine to be the [[Grotesque Cute]]/[[Lightmare Fuel]] character of the strip. Like, everything the OP pointed ''was'' supposed to occur to us but she's so ditzy that we're a lot less scared than we should be.

** I wasn't really sure at first either but re-reading it I think it's a flashback.

** This troper was under the impression it was a flashback from the start, with the brown haired boy as jesus, the blue haired girl as fuchsia pre-bomf, and the red-skinned boy as well, satan.

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