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** Unconfirmed. Sales are dropping and many, many fans still consider BND to be the [[Dork Age]] to end all Spider-Man [[Dork Age|Dork Ages]]s.

''One More Day'' and the Clone Saga have many similarities; [[Executive Meddling|editorially-driven]] storylines which were meant to "simplify" Peter Parker by [[Reset Button|returning him to a previous status quo]], and which were profoundly unpopular with readers and critics including [[SF Debris]] and were mocked by [[Atop the Fourth Wall (Web Video)|Linkara]]. Like the Clone Saga, ''One More Day'' 's [[Cosmic Retcon]] will probably be undone in the end. Meanwhile, the Clone Saga itself has gone through some rehabilitation in readers' eyes, thanks partly to [http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/ Life of Reilly] and partly due to ''[[Ultimate Marvel|Ultimate Spider-Man]]'' 's version of the Saga. Ben Reilly is probably the character with the most unfulfilled potential from the whole thing, and he's been wiped from post-''OMD'' history; having him return would be both a nice [[Mythology Gag]] and an acknowledgement from the writers of the importance of Spidey's history, warts and all.

* Because [[Wolverine Publicity|Everything Needs More Deadpool]]. And he can break the fourth wall, so he knows everything that's happened, and he just might be able to beat some sense into Spidey.

* Parker being Spider-Man was just a rumor that started when [[The Spectacular Spider -Man|Parker dressed up as Spider-Man for Halloween]] and was later spread around by that Venom creep. I mean, would the real Spider-Man honestly show his face in public?

* Guys, stop being ridiculous. That Parker guy's just a kid. And he's already said he and Spider-Man have an exclusive deal and they've appeared in the same place before. Besides, [https://web.archive.org/web/20130312182120/http://www.thematthewcraig.com/Scratch%20Images/Splafronce.jpg Spider-Man's black].

** Wait a second. Those eyes don't have pupils. And his face just looks so, well, artificial. Does this mean... Spider-Man is an [[Doctor Who (TV)|Auton!]]

** Bruce Wayne can't be Batman! His voice isn't scruffy enough and his chin is too small! Next thing you know you'll be saying Oliver Queen is Green Arrow (anyone with eyes could see the GR's beard is 5.3 millimeters shorter than Queen's).

** Norman makes some kind of deal with Red Skull in the 2009 Cap Returns series. Hard to not see this ending up as one of his bigger regrets. Still, even [[Axe Crazy]] Harry never would--Iwould—I think.

* Except if Peter DID said NO, that means that Mary Jane didn't try to Re-hook up with him because she is a #$%&#! Or that she really wanted to rest from being married. Or that she doesn't actually Knows.

* Hell yes it'll work. This is [[ItsIt's All My Fault|Peter Parker]].

* Rubbish. Norman Osborn taking over H.A.M.M.E.R. is actually a giant plan of [[Doctor Doom]]'s to utterly destroy Reed Richards, and Osborn is cooperating with him for the chance to screw with Spidey. Doom is using the same time-hopping doodad he used to fight Richards way back when Sharon Ventura was the She-Thing, and has been popping into the past and screwing up the timeline to leave gaping holes in the memories of everyone inside the Marvel universe, which causes them to make decisions and hold opinions that seem totally illogical to ''us''. Doom thinks that if he can make everyone look dumb enough, it will cause Reed to have a psychological meltdown in the manner of [[The Simpsons (animation)|Frank Grimes]]. Because come ''on'' people, I find your lack of faith in the human race disturbing. The people in this universe may be morons, but they're not so criminally, colossally moronic that they would actually support ''Osborn'' while having the same memories of him that we do! That would just be ''stupid!''

** Pre-BND Norman has rather proprietary feelings about his nemesis -- ornemesis—or rather, his status as ''Spidey's'' nemesis, as amply demonstrated by the fact that he never revealed Peter's secret identity in ... what, ten-plus years, in-universe? It would be perfectly in character for him to arrange for Peter's re-masking so that he could have Spidey all to himself again. It would also be perfectly in character for him to get sloppy and leave a loophole for Mephisto to make ''him'' forget as well, just to screw with him.

== In the Films, Peter Parker is so poor because... ==

*** Things are more expensive nowadays.

** And even before the spider-bite, he and his family had money problems. That's why he took the wrestling gig-- evengig—even though at that point he was still using <s>stolen</s> borrowed lab equipment from his school lab to make web-shooters, thus paying nothing for them.

== Spoilers for Film!Venom: ==

After his defeat (it's a superhero film, of ''course'' that's not a spoiler), {{spoiler|the Goblin's grenade left the symbiote shriveled and dehydrated instead of incinerated. Eddie Brock splattered, and the symbiote plus his blood plus a new host will be}} Carnage (or more likely [[Xtreme Kool Letterz|K]]arnage) in the fifth film. The now-[[Anti -Hero]] Venom may return as one of the bits that got disconnected during the fight before {{spoiler|the goblin grenade flashbanged Blonde[[That '70s Show|EricForeman]] and the majority of the symbiote}}, or the Venom movie that's in the works could be an alternate continuity depending on who has which rights for what.

"Joephisto" is the [[Fan Nickname/Comic Books|nickname]] for [[Joe Quesada|Quesada]], as he used Mephisto as an [[Author Avatar|author avatar]] in [[One More Day|his own]] [[Self -Insert Fic|self-insert fic]], in order to fulfill his own childhood dream to undo the marriage now that [[Ascended Fanboy|the fanboy has ascended.]] And ''this'', in a story for [[Trope Namer|the character behind]] ''[[Comes Great Responsibility|the responsibility thing]]?!?'' '''[[Precision F -Strike|BULLSHIT!]]''' * whud*

The deal with Mephisto affects Spider-Man in all universes, including the movie verse, or Spider-Man in the movies has to make the same deal. Either way, it resets the movies to break Peter up with MJ and return his life back to when he first gained his powers.

The first film ends with, "Now matter how hard I try, the ones I love will always be the ones who pay." So, in the sequel, who has Peter chosen to hang around and interact with? His "best friend," who is always insulting him and even slaps him; Mary Jane, a slut who never listens to Peter's side of the story, and who has no care for the feelings of the men she plays games with; and, of course, his obnoxious boss. (His Aunt May is a kind woman, but he could not help being related to her.) And what of the people who are nice to Peter? The blonde girl who brought him cake when he was down: didn't even get a thank you. The secretary who saved his job ("Parker you're fired." "Sir, the planetarium meeting!" "Good point. Get back here Parker, you're un-fired."): doesn't get a thank you either. The black co-worker, who stands up for Spider-Man, Peter ignores him. Peter's intentions are clear; he will only allow himself to get close to jerks, and avoid interacting with nice people so as not to put them in danger.

We will see the radioactive spider coming down from the ceiling, seemingly headed to an oblivious [[Community|Donald Glover ]] . Just as it looks like he will get bit Andrew Garfield will politely ask him to move to one side so he can take a photo. And the rest is history ...

Jason Todd and Bucky have returned. The door has been opened in both comic universes. Just look at all these OMD [[WMG|WMGs]]s to see what Marvel is capable of. State your hopes, your fears and what you think may really happen.

Clearly, the idea was: "what traits can we mash together to create the perfect girl for Peter so the fans don't hate us for [[One More Day]]?" Except they haven't had time to flesh all of those out, so they all are [[Informed Ability]]-level traits since every one of those girls has been published for over a decade and all been in at least one of the animated series (all but Gwen in ''both'') The biggest problem with Carlie is that the writers tried too hard, too fast, and that led to her downfall.

She wanted to date a Superhero, so he gave her Spider-Man (linking their respective deals to make the contracts stronger). Everyone keeps laughing and applauding her because she's being treated like she thinks a super-hero's girlfriend should be (and everyone sees her backstory as more tragic then it is. Honey, this is Marvel ([[Crapsack World]] much?). You've got to do better than a crooked-cop dad). As a corollary to that-she knows Peter is Spidey, and that ''really is'' the reason she likes him (blowing the whole "falling for plain ol' Peter Parker" line out of the water). She's actually waiting for him to tell her, so she can bust out the "oh I knew all along" cliché.

** And, this will be followed by the second (or a later) film being a slight adaptation of the clone saga, compressed into only one film, and make way for future love interests and a believable love triangle. Black Cat anyone?

== [[Ghost Rider]] will [[What the Hell, Hero?|give a voice]] [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|to exactly what the fans have been thinking all along]] regarding ''One More Day''. ==

It only makes sense. After all, the Ghost Rider is one of the very few heroes who's had constant and personal contact with, and whose life has been most directly (before ''One More Day'') affected by Mephisto. ''And'' I haven't read the comics, but I gather Johnny Blaze wasn't on Earth during the events of post-Civil War (when Peter made the [[Deal Withwith the Devil]]), which would mean he wasn't affected by Mephisto's tampering. So once GR gets wind of what Spidey's done, he'll give the Friendly Neighborhood Moron a severe dressing-down, followed by a story arc that'll culminate in the continuity changes being undone (but this being Mephisto they'd be tangling with, there would probably be a big cost attached).

** To answer this point update... Hmm. My personal take on who I'd want to see in this kind of adventure--Wolverineadventure—Wolverine and the Hulk (in a [[Shout -Out]] to when these two, together with Spidey and GR, briefly formed the New Fantastic Four), and quite possibly [[Blade]] as well. Alternatively, She-Hulk could take Hulk's place--weplace—we'd need [[The Smurfette Principle|at least]] [[Action Girl|one action-oriented chick]] on the team. As for Mary Jane shooting a demon in the face...[[What Do You Mean ItsIt's Not Awesome?|would it be any less]] [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|awesome]] if said shot-in-face demon [[Take That|was designed to look like]] [[Joe Quesada]]?

* Returning to the original idea for this particular WMG, just last night I (the original poster) actually thought out the [[What the Hell, Hero?|potential calling-out scene]] between Spidey and Ghost Rider. After coming home one evening, Peter finds the flame-headed anti-hero waiting for him in his living room. Ghost Rider then proceeds to chew Peter a new one for allowing the [[Deal Withwith the Devil]] to go through (yeah, you have ''[[Joe Quesada|SOME PEOPLE]]'' who'll say it was retconned that Mary Jane made the deal over Peter's objections), giving a clearly-outlined [["The Reason You Suck" Speech]] that mirrors the fans' and writers' displeasure with [[One More Day]] and the events leading up to it. (Incidentally, the confrontation will be a [[Shout -Out]] to the "Ignition" storyline in ''[[The Flash]]'', where [[Batman]] confronts Wally West about the [[Laser -Guided Amnesia]] that Wally asked [[The Spectre]] to pull on the world to make everyone forget he was the Flash--followingFlash—following [[Evil Counterpart|Zoom's]] attack on [[Love Interest|Linda Park]] that resulted in their unborn twins being miscarried--andmiscarried—and the subsequent arc that led to Wally and Linda reconciling...essentially, that story was [[One More Day]] done ''properly''.) And part of that speech, as thought out by me:

{{quote| '''Ghost Rider:''' Whatever happened to "[[Comes Great Responsibility|with great power comes great responsibility]]," Parker? Did you decide to throw that moral lesson away the moment you decided to go through with that deal? You know what I see when I look at you just now? I don't see a noble soul who I could say I was ever proud to have allied with in the past--I see a selfish little punk who'd rather flee the consequences of his choices instead of facing them as a man with a backbone ought to. By your actions, you've not only condemned [[Spider Girl|an innocent soul]] to non-existence, but you've also condemned several existing souls to be under Mephisto's thumb, to manipulate as he should see fit ''just'' inside the letter of his word. Your Aunt May. Your friend Harry Osborn. Mary Jane. Yourself. Need I continue?<br />

'''Spider-Man:''' ''(how I imagine Joe Quesada would attempt a [[Shut UP, Hannibal]])'' You're one to talk. As I recall, you also went into a deal with Mephisto for a loved one's sake.<br />

** YES! That is exactly what we need! I really want to get into comic writing JUST SO I CAN PUT THIS IN! I don't CARE if Joey Que tries to stop me! I'LL DO IT DAMN IT! Exbanding on the above moment, (Sorry if I end up hijacking your idea, but this is what my mind thought up after reading that) after GR leaves, Peter, trying to take his mind of the subject, goes on a date with [[CreatorsCreator's Pet|Carlie Cooper]]. At which point, Deadpool, who's on a date in the same restaraunt with some random person (Either a hooker, a transvesite, an unatractive woman, or a blow up sex doll. depending on which'd be funnier and more in character), tries to say hi to 'Spidey and Mary Jane', until he realizes that its not MJ. He questions what happened, at which point when he brings up that they were once married, HE TOO GIVES HIM A DRESSING DOWN after realizing what's really happened when he does a quick Wikipedia search on OMD. During this rucus, Squirrel Girl will notice and ask what's going on. When she finds out, she proceeds to ''also give him a talking to'' about the subject. When Carlie objects to this, she storms off. Later, Carlie Cooper attacks Mary Jane, [[Take That, Scrappy!|reveals herself as a shape shifting MALE demon]] with the ability to control a person's perception, hoping to kill MJ to avoid Mephisto's plans being unserped. During the fight, Deadpool, Squirrel Girl, and Spider-Man show up and get pwned, causing Mary Jane to use Deadpool's gun to shoot the demon in the face, which had revealed its true form as a Joe Quesada look alike. Because of this, Peter and Mary Jane regain their memories fully, and remember their love for each other. Peter tracks down Ghost Rider, appologizes for being so stupid, and he agrees to help him. They gather a small band of heroes, and the whole group, including Deadpool and Squirrel Girl, go to find a way into hell: Bifrost. With Loki's help, they travel to Mephisto's realm, and promptly defeat the demon overlord and get the chance to undo it. BUT, to stop Joey Que or anyone else from interfeering, Mephisto makes a catch: If they undo it all, everything since will be undone. Harry, Captain America and Aunt May will die, again, Tony Stark will become a Nazi once more, and Loki will return to his former, evil self. BUT, Loki will point out a loop hole, that they only sold their marriage, NOT their love. And as such, they're able to reunite, so long as they don't ever marry. Since Joey Que only hates marriage, he'll have no reason to object, and as such the Spidey relationship will be intact. I've actually thought of a scene or too for this.

{{quote| ''(When he goes for Ghost Rider's help:)''<br />

'''Ghost Rider''': You sure you want to storm hell itself, attack Mephisto in his home turf, and undo the mess you made?<br />

'''Spidey''': I need to take responsibility for what I've done. And if that means go on a suicide mission into hell, then so be it. I already got a few people who want to tag along.<br />

'''Ghost Rider''': What made you see sense?<br />

{{quote| A) Its Hannah Marks, an actress cast as the role of a Film original character who has a crush on Peter, and that that was just a Michael Bay style Misinformation campaign, since a google search of the actress shows her to be a [[Hollywood Homely]] at best.<br />

B) An unannounced actress, possibly to hide the stinger.<br />

== Captain Stacy will die in [[The Amazing Spider -Man (Film)|The Amazing Spider Man]]. ==