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*** Of course, even ''Han'' went to the Academy and later ended up doing other things. If Luke never ran into Vader or the Emperor (and it's a large Empire, with a very large military), they quite possibly might have never run into him before he found a reason and opportunity to defect or end his term of service. And of course, there is still that old wildcard, Obi-Wan.
**** There's no way he could ''not'' draw the attention of Vader or The Emperor, though. At some point, either word would reach them about a "Skywalker" from Tatooine, or they would sense a disturbance in The Force, leading them to him.
**** Why? There are probably lots of Skywalkers on Tatooine.
*** Actually Luke said he wanted to join "the academy", not necessarily become a stormtrooper. This troper finds it much more likely for Luke to wind up an Imperial pilot. Or at least start down that track before the name Skywalker becomes well known enough to get someone's attention upstairs...
**** Isn't Luke a little short to be a Stormtrooper?
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** The whole midichlorian thing always bothered me too until I thought about it. The way I interpreted it was that the force was all about binding the universe together, symbiosis and balance and what not, and that midichlorians were an expression of that. Without midichlorians, sentient life would have no concept of the force, and without life forms as a host the midichlorians could not survive. For the force to work, you need both of them supporting each other. The force is still mystical, as the midichlorians are merely the connection, but I found it to be a very meaningful plot point. -darksider
*** It would have been even more meaningful of a plot point if George Lucas hand't lost his nerve and kept the elements of the script which dealt with the racial animosity between the Naboo humans and the Gungans. In the end, the two overcome their differences and work together to defeat the Trade Federation. The theme is still present in the final cut, but because the explicitly racial element was removed, one has to pick up on bits and pieces of subtext and probably read some of the supporting material before the [[Fridge Logic]] comes together. And this is why George Lucas should not direct his own scripts.
** And I recently had a Fridge Brilliance moment about people saying midichlorians [[Doing
*** I saw that as a(n accidental, in retrospect) subversion of [[Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale]]: Even in the Prequel Era, when the Jedi are relatively numerous, there are more planets in the Republic than there are Jedi. Obviously not everyone in the universe will be aware of Jedi, and not everyone who has heard of them will believe that their exploits are more than rumor.
** I don't understand why people get so worked up about midichlorians. They are NOT mutually exclusive with the Force being spiritual/religious in nature. For example, let's say God created mankind - does this change the fact that humans have DNA and are made up of atoms? If you hate the fact it makes Jedi "predestined", well sorry to break it to you but they were that way anyway previously, they just said 'force sensitive' instead of having midichlorians. In fact, they did test for Jedi before the midichlorians were mentioned in canon, and one must assume they had SOME way of scientifically testing for it in children. In fact, it would be sort of ridiculous if the genetic makeup/DNA/atoms/whatever (not a scientist here) was NOT impacted by being force sensitive. I would find it strange they test for being a jedi without actually having a substance/particle/whatever to test for. (i.e. if they didn't use the midichlorian explanation)
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*** EXACTLY. Midichlorians are '''not''' the Force. They can only communicate with it. They basically do the same thing on a microscopic level what we thought Luke and others were doing in the original movies.--Tapol.
*** Think of them more as sense organs, like ears or eyes. 1 eye or ear allows you to see light/hear sound, 2 allows you to triangulate. Insects have compound eyes, prey animals like rabbits/deer have them either side of their head instead of both up front for near 360 degree vision. Midichlorians allow you to sense the force, the more you have, the closer to compound eyes/360 vision you have.
*** I always interpreted the Force to be the active force representation of the Unified Field Theory - i.e. it is the unified force that governs all physics and movement within the universe - and hence that the Midichlorians just are a conduit to tap into the Force. I mean, technically, if everyone could tap into the Force just through years and years of practice, then Yoda would be literally a god by now (considering he was alive for 800 years) - the potential for use of the Force would be infinite if access to it was not restricted by a physiological imperative while the individual was alive. Once they die of course, we cross full on into Nirvana territory (merging with the Force, becoming one with the universe etc. etc.). I never saw it as [[Doing
* I juuust realized that the R2 units on X-Wings are supposed to emulate the round observation dome on top of bombers.
* A moment of [[Fridge Brilliance]] for myself was the pre-emptive realization that The Chosen One was always fated to destroy the Jedi Order. Even though the Jedi interpret the legend to fortell the end of the Sith, they are always careful to explicitly state: "The Chosen One will ''bring balance to the force''." At the time of Anakin's arrival, there are a tiny number of Sith and vast numbers of Jedi. Hence, to balance the force Anakin must kill most of the Jedi. By the original Star Wars trilogy we know of only two Sith (Palpatine and Vader) and two remaining Jedi (Obi-Wan and Yoda). -- Pak
** I thought this, too, until I stumbled across something George Lucas says in one of the DVD commentaries. He basically says that the Force is like a living entity, and that the Sith are akin to a cancer or disease, bringing it out of whack. Anakin/Vader fulfills the prophecy by doing away with the Sith, which requires him to sacrifice himself in the process. If a person's health is out of balance (y'know, he's sick), you don't make him sicker to make things fair, right? If you want to see how he phrased it, [https://web.archive.org/web/20100318052218/http://blogs.starwars.com/moosepoodo/17 here's] a link. -- [[Lone Paladin]]
*** Actually, YES you DO treat some medical conditions by injuring a person further. Especially with CANCER. Think about it. What is surgery? It's cutting a person open. The fact that you sew them up afterward notwithstanding. We're just so used to the idea that it seldom occurs to us that that is what surgery is. The other major way cancer is treated is by poisoning the patient, with a poison that (we hope) will affect the cancerous tissue more than it affects healthy tissue. We call this 'chemotherapy'. -- auswelter
** [[Word of God]] or not, I disagree: I had a similar moment to Pak's: 2 Sith + balance = ...2 Jedi. (Ooops!) Given the way the phrase was so clearly and constantly used, I see it as a combination of arrogance and blindness on the part of the Jedi that made them assume that "balance" would mean "we win" (and would therefore be a ''good'' thing, instead of the prophecy of disaster it turned out to be). -- diannelamerc
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** Nope. Even if a shockwave rippling through the planet or the heat of the explosion didn't kill you, the acceleration you would undergo as the chuck of the planet reached escape velocity in under a second would turn you to paste. Unless you're Son Goku.
* Obi-Wan's been called stupid for hiding Vader's son on his home planet with his only living relatives, but he isn't, really. Tatooine is the place where Anakin spent years as a slave, saw his mother die, and committed his first genocide. Why the heck would he ''ever'' want to go back? It was probably the safest place in the galaxy for little Luke. Besides, it worked, didn't it?
** And it's a backwater planet where law enforcement is of dubious quality and would look mostly for specific things, mainly foreign smugglers. Also, since Anakin Skywalker was from Tatooine, "Skywalker" is likely to be a reasonably common last name there. No need for fake documents, less risk of accidental discovery. Conversely, a lot of the locals probably have heard about this one guy who flipped out and massacred ''a whole tribe'' for death of his mother, how was his name again? It's just the sort of thing people tend to remember. If this legend didn't make Luke somewhat noteworthy, that's an argument in favor of the name being widespread.
** Assuming that anyone actually have tried to hide him at all.
* I just realized something about the fighting in the series. In the Original trilogy every strike was slower and more precise where in the Prequel you have lightning fast combat. Why does it make sense? In the Trilogy everyone's either a lot older (Obi Wan) hardly human (Vader) or a green horn (Luke)
* The fact that if you do watch the movies in numerical order(Episodes I,II,III,IV,V, and VI), they do get '''better and better'''. Also, the Force, introduced in a biological, scientific way(midichlorians) is given deeper meaning when the more spiritual nature is explained later on. Science becomes "magic".
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* I thought Anakin's Force-choking Padme was done perfectly. Everybody knows since Anakin turns to the Dark Side, he'll Force-choke someone for the first time. But who? Obi-Wan? [[The Scrappy|Jar Jar]]? Nope, it was Padme. Anakin's love, and his moral anchor. The only one who was stopping Anakin from completely slipping into darkness. It definitely plays into the perspective that Darth Vader is a damned Anakin Skywalker, and every time we see him choke someone in the OT, he's reliving that tragic moment where he lost his love.
** And illustrating that point of reliving that moment is this scene in ''[[A New Hope]]'':
{{quote|'''Motti:''' [["The Reason You Suck" Speech|Don't try to fighten us with your sorceror's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure the stolen datatapes. Or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fortre-]]
(''Vader raises his hand and starts Force-choking Motti'')
'''Vader:''' I find your lack of faith disturbing. }}
** After watching ''[[Revenge of the Sith]]'', you'll see that Motti was right. Turning to the Dark Side didn't do the one thing Anakin was hoping it would do.
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** This particular bit of [[Fanon]] in regards to "Balancing the Force" sometimes gets annoying. [[Idiot Plot|How stupid do people think the Jedi are]]?
* From the first film, it is established both that 'droids are sentient and self aware enough to be loveable, sympathetic characters, and that they're ''routinely memory-wiped''.
** supplementary materials say that it takes a long time without memory wipes to develop these behaviors. R2-D2 hadn't been memory wiped in decades, and I'm pretty sure Anakin built
* Why do clone troopers have New Zealand accents, apart from the obvious? If we're going by [[Translation Convention]], they're the Star Wars equivalent of New Zealanders- and when [[Magnificent Bastard|Erwin Rommel]] says he could take and hold hell with New Zealanders, they're tough little buggers.
* ''Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.'' Obi-wan should know- he probably ''used to lead them.'' Alec Guinness' monotone delivery [[My God, What Have I Done?|now seems more like a tortured man trying hard not to relive the days he led the stormtroopers and their predecessors...]]
** Also doubles as [[Fridge Brilliance]] : The actual Stormtroopers [[Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy|have long ceased to be so precise]], but of course Obi-Wan remembers them differently...
** We have seen Sand People can pick off pod racers buzzing across the canyon floor at 400mph or so. Also, it doesn't take great deal of marksmanship to shoot a corpse at point blank range if one wants it to be less recognizable for some reason. But we know Obi-wan isn't shy of a ''huge'' lie to manipulate Luke, and perhaps a few [[Jedi Mind Trick]]s. And we know he had at least two reasons for blaming Stormtroopers: to turn Luke from personal vengeance (in old good Anakin's style) and against the Empire.
*** It's also possible that he didn't want Luke to find the real killer. Because the timing is too convenient for him - what would Luke do if they were alive?
* The Expanded Universe tells us that the main Imperial Pilot Academy (or whatever it was called) was located on Alderaan. Which means that when Death Star blew it up, they also killed all the would-be pilots training there. This takes [[For the Evulz]] of this act to a whole new level - not only was it unnecessary, it was also extremely counterproductive and may explain why good pilots were hard to find for the Empire...
* Ewoks. They seem cute, but barbecue humans and now they have guns and vehicles?
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