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The above can get complicated if one hero (like the [[Punisher]] above) routinely deals with his "[[Rogues Gallery]]" by [[Kill'Em All|killing them on sight]], while the other [[Thou Shalt Not Kill|firmly refuses to kill]] or [[Actual Pacifist|doesn't even fight at all]] (like [[Archie Comics]] above). If the relative pacifist has favor, the militant hero will be [[Inverse Law of Utility and Lethality|severely]] [[Non-Lethal Warfare|nerfed]]; whereas if the militant one is shown right, it may risk invalidating the other's morals or making them seem irrelevant.
 
Similarly, another potential problem is their [[Super Weight|relative power]]. If one is vastly more powerful, the other will become [[The Load]], so one or both character may have to undergo [[Power Creep, Power Seep]] to avoid one being [[Overshadowed Byby Awesome|made irrelevant]] while the other [[Story-Breaker Power|becomes a god]]. This doesn't just happen when there's a wide difference on the scale of a character with the [[Superpower Lottery]] and a [[Muggle]] teaming up; even a simple power like one way [[Telepathy]] can cripple a crossover. Imagine how ''[[Murder Onon the Orient Express]]'' (or any other detective story) would go if Poirot was teamed up with a Telepath.
 
Another factor is the seriousness of the setting and the temperament of the character. Teaming up a highly [[Genre Savvy]] character, or competent person from a world where everything is [[Like Reality Unless Noted]], with a [[Genre Blind]] one in a cliche bound world won't end well, nor would the reverse be kind. In a similar vein, putting a stand up comedian in a show about international politics or similar won't usually go over well but oddly, [[The Straight Man|the reverse]] [[Rule of Funny|probably isn't the case]].
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== Comic Books ==
* Whenever [[Superman]] is involved in a crossover, he has to be weakened or somehow disabled for the plot to work.
** Actually there have been plenty of good Superman team-ups, mostly in his own crossover series ''[[DC Comics Presents]]''. The best ones simply [[Plot Tailored to Thethe Party|gave the guest stars something to do in the story that Superman could not do]]. Though the trope did apply in some cases.
** ''[[Superman (Comic Book)|Superman]]''/''[[Batman]]'' can be considered a case study in successfully teaming up very different heroes. Both are on equal grounds, and they face challenges each can contribute to solving, making a team far more effective than the sum of its parts.
** In his second intercompany crossover with [[Spider-Man]], Spidey saves the day with his Spider-Sense (while Supes is busy holding a massive explosive gizmo together with his bare hands).
** [http://www.misterkitty.org/extras/stupidcovers/stupidcomics41.html There was also the time he met the Quik Bunny.]
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== Fan Fiction ==
* Various ''[[Gundam Seed]]'' and ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]'' crossover has this as PLAGUE, considering the later's incarnation of eponymous Gundams is plain [[Game Breaker]] compared to the former. Common joke amongst those crossovers are Setsuna complaining that G-Project unit doesn't deserve the title of Gundam.
* A few ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' fanfics make jokes about how ''[[DragonballDragon Ball]]'' characters take out the angels with ease.
** This is actually very common in [[DragonballDragon Ball]] crossover fics. While the [[DragonballDragon Ball]] universe is not the most powerful by any means, many inexperienced fanfic writers would cross it over with fiction that was ''significently'' weaker. This was most common in the nineties, as the really well-known animes ([[Ranma One Half]], [[Sailor Moon]], [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]) were leagues beneath the [[DragonballDragon Ball]] universe, while universes that could compete with or even ''dominate'' [[DragonballDragon Ball]] ([[Tenchi Muyo!]], [[Saint Seiya]], [[Marvel Comics]]) were unknown or underutilised.
*** On a similar note is an old DBZ fanfic where the Briefs family is targeted by a serial killer. Yes, a normal human serial killer. It's not BAD, but the author would need enough [[Hand Wave|handwaves]] to fly to get it to work fully, and he only does several.
* The ''[[Pretty Cure Fan Fic Features (Fanfic)|Pretty Cure Fan Fic Features]]'', due to crossing over a ''ton'' of stories on varying points of the Scale, tend to do this. If ''[[Pretty Cure Perfume Preppy (Fanfic)|Perfume Preppy]]'' is in a feature with a bunch of casts from series that are as child-friendly as [[Pretty Cure|the source material]], no mention will be made of its various [[Family-Unfriendly Death|Family Unfriendly Deaths]] and rather disgusting moments like {{spoiler|Ashley's cannibalistic mass murder spree}}. If ''[[Pretty Cure Heavy Metal (Fanfic)|Heavy Metal]]'' is in there too, since it's even less child-friendly, the other fics in the pile will be made [[Darker and Edgier]].
** Other commonalities have to be made to make stories fit in, too. ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon (Fanfic)|Blue Moon]]'' features a two-Cure team who are part of a [[Five-Man Band]] with their [[Secret Keeper|Secret Keepers]], and also a [[Dark Magical Girl]] who plays a less major role: most other stories relegate all [[Muggles]] to the position of [[Those Two Guys]] and make the [[Dark Magical Girl]] super-important. Crossovers with ''Blue Moon'' thus remove Hoshi, Yukari and Mia entirely while playing up the role of {{spoiler|Emiru}}.
* ''[[A Dark Knight Over Sin City]]'' has a mild example. [[Batman]] and his rogues operate on a slightly different level than the [[Sin City]] characters. The [[Anti-Hero|anti-heroes]] and villains in Sin City still serve important roles in the plot but when it comes to, say, explaining Scarecrow's weapons or Joker's toxin, they resort to [[Buffy-Speak]].
* While on it, between 2003 and 2007 there were many crossovers between [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]] and [[Harry Potter]]. While many of them were very well written, they were extremely prone to this trope, in both directions: If early seasons of BTVS were depicted, then a team of one physical fighter (Buffy), one slow (and then weak) witch (Willow) and two [[Badass Normal]]'s (Giles/Xander) could not realy make a difference against all Death Eaters, with their apparation, direct magic etc. By contrast, if BTVS was depicted post S7, then there was the simple fact that all Death Eaters combined could not match the power of Willow, not even taking hundreds of slayers, Giles, and rest into account.
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== Live Action TV ==
* Jack Black on ''[[Community]]'', as a parody of ''[[Remember the New Guy?]]'', turned into this. He upsets the group dynamic with his weird schtick eventually forcing Jeff to drag him out of the Study Room kicking and screaming.
* The ''[[Samurai Sentai Shinkenger]]'' story arc of ''[[Kamen Rider Decade]]''. Since [[Kamen Rider|Kamen Riders]] do not deal with giant monsters on a regular basis whereas ''[[Super Sentai]]'' does and the crossover occurs in a ''Kamen Rider'' show, the arc was written to feature an original [[Monster of the Week]] who became an anomaly of sorts thanks to the intrusion of ''Decade'''s cast and thus could not [[Make My Monster Grow|grow]] unlike his brethren.
* Parodied on an episode of ''[[That Mitchell and Webb Look]]'', with the superhero team of BMX Bandit and Angel Summoner. BMX Bandit can ride a BMX ''really'' well, while Angel Summoner can summon and control a horde of invisible celestial superbeings. [[Sarcasm Mode|Oddly]], BMX Bandit feels he doesn't add much to the team.
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== Video Games ==
* ''[[Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe (Video Game)|Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe]]'' solves this in one sense while being disadvantaged by it in another. The difference in powers between [[Mortal Kombat]] and [[DCU]] characters is explained by mentioning that the universe merging directly affects the abilities of everyone involve, as well as spreading a [[Hate Plague]] in order for [[Let's You and Him Fight]] to ensue. However, DC's treatment of their intellectual properties meant that the ''Mortal Kombat'' side had to temporarily lose [[Rated "M" for Money|its extreme blood and gore]]... which, unfortunately for that series, is its entire selling point, period.
* To a minor extent, ''[[Super Smash Bros]]. Brawl'' and [[Metal Gear|Snake]]. An M-rated character battles heroes who are perfectly OK for the entire family? Wave goodbye to his realistic firearms. He gets to keep explosive arms, though.
** Samus is a sci-fi bounty hunter in [[Power Armor]] with an [[Arm Cannon]]. Ness has a bat. Snake doesn't get anything that is too far removed from real world arms. Jigglypuff makes do with cuteness. Link has a sword and a bow. Respectively, they come from dystopian [[Space Opera]], comedic [[Cosmic Horror]], action-espionage [[Magical Realism]], whatever genre Pokemon is, and [[High Fantasy]]. The whole game is a [[Story-Breaker Team-Up]] forgiven on [[Rule of Cool]], [[Rule of Fun]], and the [[Nostalgia Filter]].
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== [[Web Comics]] ==
* It's a minor [[Running Gag]] in ''[[The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob]]'' that Molly likes writing [[Crack Fic|crack]] crossover fanfics, such as [[The Brothers Karamazov]] meet [[Harold and The Purple Crayon]], [[GulliversGulliver's Travels|Gulliver]] versus [[Godzilla|Mechagodzilla]], and [[Sherlock Holmes]] meets ''[[The Adventures of Dr. McNinja (Webcomic)|The Adventures of Dr. McNinja]]''.
* [http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/09/05 This] [[Penny Arcade]] comic.
{{quote| ''Green Lantern'': What's the plan, Clark? <br />
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== Web Original ==
* ''Pooh's Adventures'' runs on this trope. The main character, [[Winnie the Pooh]], crosses over with people like [[Batman]], the ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', the ''[[Gargoyles (Animation)|Gargoyles]]'', and many others dipping into either a very high [[Super Weight]] (even for a stuffed animal) or the [[Darker and Edgier|darkest part of town]], or even both. Then there's the allies Pooh has, although not a lot of them could affect the plot, some ''do'' with just a few super powers.
* The animations [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywMOuMqNuI "The Dark Knight Meets Superman"] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeT1t0lQn5Q&feature=fvwrel "The Dark Knight Meets Superman Part 2"] do this intentionally for parody. First [[Superman]] visits Gotham City during the events of ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. "Hey, bat-bro, I hope it's not a big deal, but while you were talking there, I went ahead and stopped crime. Like, all of it." Then this version of Batman stands in for Superman in Metropolis alongside the [[Justice League]]. It doesn't go that well.
 
 
== Western Animation ==
* One episode of ''[[Batman: theThe Brave And The Bold (Animation)|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had this trope inverted, Batman is transported to 1880s England, where he "teams up" with [[Sherlock Holmes]] and outclasses him in most ways. While Sherlock is no slouch (and discovers and reaches the villain's hideout before Batman), Batman fights better, can make [[Bat Deduction|Bat Deductions]] with less information, and can handle the clearly supernatural Gentleman Ghost while Holmes is made a victim.
** Although the fact that Holmes beat Batman at anything [[Fridge Brilliance|speaks volumes,]] as Batman has both more experience with supernatural phenomena, and information, knowledge and training from over a century ahead of Sherlock's time.
** And again with "The Super-Batman of Planet X!", where Batman is stranded on a strange, alien planet and teams up with the local near-identical Batman to foil crime. Then it turns out that thanks to the planet's atmosphere Batman becomes a [[Flying Brick]], much to the local Batman-X's chagrin. That is, until the [[Kryptonite Is Everywhere|commonly occurring]] mineral ''[[Weaksauce Weakness|Quartz]]'' renders him worse than powerless and allows Batman-X to save the day.
* ''The New [[Scooby Doo]] Movies'' in which Mystery, Inc. teamed with people like [[Batman]], [[The Addams Family (TV)|The Addams Family]] and [[The Three Stooges]].
* ''[[Batman: theThe Brave And The Bold (Animation)|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' had a crossover with ''[[Scooby Doo]]'' that managed to fix the story breaker. How, you ask? {{spoiler|[[Reality Warper]] Bat-Mite gives Batman, Robin, and the villains the ability to fight (since this was based off of the 60s cartoon, he couldn't even throw a punch). Then he gives it to Shaggy and Scooby, too. Ass-kicking ensues.}}
* ''[[Robot Chicken]]'' uses this effect intentionally in many of its sketches. As the series page puts it:
{{quote| Most sketches involve "mashups", a collision of two pop-cultural items (one innocent, and the other "mature") degenerating into chaos, like [[Super Mario Bros.|Mario and Luigi]] travelling to [[Grand Theft Auto Vice City|Vice City]], [[Beavis and Butthead]] joining the [[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]], the [[Scooby Doo]] team encountering [[Friday the 13th (Filmfilm)|Jason Vorhees]], or ''[[The Smurfs]]'' doing their version of the movie [[Se7en]] (Yes, all of these, even the last one, are actual sketches from the show). }}
 
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