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** Despite being a [[Duel Boss]] against whom you can only use Setsuna/Exia, {{spoiler|Alejandro Corner in the Alvaaron}} can be easily made into this. It only has around 20k HP, and Setsuna with decently upgraded weapons, his ace bonus, and the Spirit Soul cast can easily do over 30k damage with a single attack.

** In the same spirit as the above, ''Saisei-Hen'' gives us {{spoiler|Wiseman}} as a [[Duel Boss]] for [[Armored Trooper VOTOMS|Chirico]]. The anticlimatic part is that he controls a normal Bloodsucker with just about 12K Hitpoints and no special features and can easily be finished in one move.

** People seem to be either rejoicing that Tetsujin #28, essentially the great grand-father of giant robots, is at long last showing up in SRW...only it's the 80s remake and not the original. Which has some people happy Tetsujin #28 is showing up at all, some wishing it was the original, and some happy it's that version.

** The arrangements for some of the songs in Z2.1 has fans either cheering (such as Kanjite Knight and Heats), or outright wanting to murder the composer in cold blood, with "Tori no Uta" being the largest offender to some. It wouldn't be that big of an issue...had not the same track been used in ''[[Super Robot Wars L]]'', giving fans something to compare.

*** They would probably have to consider the hardware as well, considering how big the mecha in [[Gurren Lagann]] actually get.

** The fact that {{spoiler|Euphie is turned out [[Not Quite Dead]]}} in the ZEXIS Route, but {{spoiler|Kamina and Neil!Lockon stay dead}} ''does'' annoy some people. Though to be fair, {{spoiler|Euphie comes back alive}} has less (YMMV) negative impact to the overall plot (for both ''Saisei-hen'' and [[Code Geass]]) than {{spoiler|Kamina and Neil}}.

** And now that it has been confirmed that both Rand and Setsuko's routes are canon...he could be seen as both this trope and an [[Anti-Villain]].

** The [[Big Bad]] of ''Z'' fits perfectly here, if only for the sheer destruction and havoc he brought about [[For the Evulz]].

** And now Z2 gives us [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|Ali Al-Saachez]], [[God Mars|Emperor Zul]], [[Shin Mazinger Shougeki! Z-hen|Dr. Hell]], [[Getter Robo|Cohen and Stinger]] and [[Dancougar|Emperor Muge Zorbados]] as well as [[Consummate Liar|Aim Liard]], [[The Dragon]] to [[Big Bad|Gaioh]].

* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: When a rumor that Back Alley Space Boy wouldn't be Dai-Guard's theme was disproved, [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|the internet went nuts]]. And yes, it's probably one of the best instrumentals they have in ''Hakai-hen''.

** [[Code Geass|Kallen]] and [[Armored Trooper VOTOMS|Chirico]], of all people. They had much chemistry since ''Hakai-hen'', spent much time fighting along together, and even some [[Ship Tease]] moments (some in front of Fiona even).

* [[Demonic Spiders]]: Or [[Incredibly Lame Pun|DAMONic Spiders]] as the case may be: High shields, status effect infliction, rather good accuracy/evasion rates (and will only go higher due to their Prevail skill), AND HP and EN regeneration. As someone on [[Something Awful]] put it, "It's like someone decided [[Macross Plus|the Ghost X9]] should be [[Up to Eleven|more annoying]]".

** Thankfully in ''Saisei-hen'', those Bull DAMON and the Rhino DAMON have less HP, don't have HP or EN regeneration, and have no barriers anymore. [[This Is Gonna Suck|That is, until you start to face Artificial DAMON mid-game...]]As the weaker ones are even ''stronger'' than the old Rhino DAMON.

** Stage 15 introduces Axio Burglars (piloted by Fire Bugs). They all have Jamming Device which makes friendly units 2 grids around them have their evasion and hit rate improved by 10%, ''and these bonus stack if they're near to one another''. These make evasive Reals like King Gainer or Scopedog VERY prone to their strong attacks (their strongest attack reduces victim's Will even), while it's almost impossible to hit them without using Seishins. Marin in her Burglar/Pearl Fang only makes that worse, since she is always there to lead her gang......And boosts their evasion/hit rate with her Command skill.

* [[Game Breaker]]: Not to the levels of [[Zeorymer]] in [[Super Robot Wars MX]] and [[Super Robot Wars Judgment]], but the Baldios and [[Eureka Seven|Nirvash Spec2]] count. To elaborate, Baldios is a [[Lightning Bruiser]] that's a size LL, giving it a damage/defense bonus against pretty much everything, high armor, ridiculous range, strong and economic weapons, and better yet, it has a "sub-dimensional warp" ability allowing it to dodge anything completely with a set probability. The Nirvash, on the other hand, doesn't start as much until you advance in the game and get its upgrade, the Spec2, which gives you a hideously overpowered MAP weapon that can be recharged and abused using the appropriate skills.

** The [[Genesis of Aquarion|Aquarion]] in the hands of a player who knows what he/she's doing also counts. This mecha has the unique ability "Element System", which gives the primary pilot the highest stat among the three pilots in every category if his or her Will passes 130; not a difficult task. This may not seem like much at first, but if one takes each of the three pilots and pump a specific stat, an Element System-powered Apollo can hit like a tank, dodge like a Gundam and have a high enough skill stat to activate "Attack Again", allowing him to double-hit everything using his insanely powerful weapons that have amazing range, which can be further improved with items and parts.

** [[Super Dimension Century Orguss|Kei Katsuragi and his Orguss]]. This pilot is one of the best in ''Z'', if not ''the'' flat-out best: He comes with an amazing skill set (containing the much sought-out "Attack Again" and "Counter"), a high enough skill rating to make use of both, high dodge and shooting stats, and a very dodgy mech that has no business doing as much damage as it does. [[It Gets Better]]: later in the game, he gets {{spoiler|Orson}} as a partner with an identical machine, giving them both access to a very cost-effective and powerful [[Combination Attack]] that makes them even more broken (and looks flat out awesome, especially with the "Orguss Handshake" in the end.

** The "Nirvash/Haman/Amuro/Resupply" combo, which pretty much lets you breeze through the last half of the game by over using the Spec 2's Seventh Swell MAP weapon.

*** Combined with the trainable pilot ability: "Attack Again" which allows the pilot to provide offensive support for themselves if their Skill stat is 20 or greater than the enemy. Normally this ability would only be good against enemy grunts and useless against bosses since their Skill is often greater than or equal to most of your pilots. With +40 Skill, this almost guarantees Wing Zero will be able to [[Double Tap]] almost all bosses assuming you kept Heero up to level. Counter is also a nice ability to have too. In other words, not only is the Zero System buffed, the game as a whole is a far better environment for the Zero System to shine.

**** Wing Zero also has one of the most cost effective attacks in the game: A [[Laser Sword|beam saber]] attack that does 5500 damage fully upgraded for only 5 EN (4 EN with E Save) and comes with 1~3 range. Other non-ammo attacks that do same amount of damage will cost at least +10 EN. Gundam DX's Hyper Beam Sword for example, has the same amount of range and damage when fully upgraded but costs 15 EN (12 EN with E Save). Combined with "Attack Again," Wing Zero can perform this attack twice and kill any non-boss enemy for only 8 EN. The beam saber's dynamic kill is also [[Simple Yet Awesome]].

** 00 Raiser. Just, '''holy shit''', 00 Raiser. 7700 power post-movement attack with 2-6 range and a MAP attack version that skewers any enemies in a straight line with 12 range, and a 50% chance of perfect evasion at 130 will. It also helps that Setsuna is a ''much'' better pilot this time around and eventually gets a skill that gives him +20 to accuracy, evasion, and skill as well as passive SP regen!

** [[Macross 7]]'s Sound Force again (yes, [[Super Robot Wars Destiny|yet]] [[Super Robot Wars Alpha|again]] in ''Saisei-hen'', just like any other game they debut, they can restore an ally's Spirit Points and increase their Will, and later buffing ally's stats for the remaining of the stage. But you know what's better? ALL THEIR ATTACKS CAN DEBUFF ENEMY'S WILL! Yes, even MAP attacks can debuff their will too. After Basara learns Dynamite Explosion, he can gives Seishin to a teammate too, alongside free Bless and Cheer. Did we mention he can also deal damage to Dimensional Monsters with his song?

*** Oh and for some extra kicks? Train [[Macross Frontier|Ozma]] as an Ace, sing Try Again to him with Hot Blood. Notice the HUGE status buff on Ozma? Congratulations, [[Took a Level In Badass|Ozma just took hundred levels in asskicking]], especially his Attack Again skill. It becomes much more useful and probable.

** The Nu Gundam is incredible in ''Saisei-hen'', both because it's an amazing machine and because Amuro is an incredible pilot. At max upgrades, with the Psychoframe active, and Amuro at ace status, Fin Funnel has '''7000''' power and '''1-12''' range! It's also incredibly efficient, with ''10 ammo'' that can be raised to 15 with the Bullet Save skill! It even supplements its weakest area (lack of a powerful post-movement attack) with its new (gorgeously animated) Combo Assault.

** Also {{spoiler|1=[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjfVMZggw44 Kamina], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-UV1sk8ZNo Euphie] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe83vpiKC0 Neil!Lockon]}} in ''Hakai-hen''. The worst part about the latter three is {{spoiler|while you can save Aki from her canon death (which you did in canon), Kamina, Euphie and Neil's deaths are permanent and unavoidable}}...[[Epileptic Trees|or maybe just until ''Saisei-hen'']]...

*** Especially in {{spoiler|Kamina's}} death, where [[Ax Crazy|Batshit]] [[Getter Robo|Ryouma]], of all people, screams for his name in the same way he screams whenever Musashi bites the dust.

** ''Hakai-hen'' has the dreaded big three of Emperor Zul, Moon Will's Original Dancougar and Lord Genome's Lazengann. All of them can and will one-shot your mechs if you aren't careful

* [[That One Level]]: Rand's last scenario on EX-Hard mode is ''insanely'' annoying, both because of it's length and the sheer difficulty spike the [[Big Bad]] is compared to the previous few stages. [[Save Scumming]] is almost a must to avoid an [[Unwinnable]] situation.

** Some of the special mission requirements are near impossible to beat without a great deal of luck and [[Save Scumming]]. The only real way to beat Z's hard mode while getting the skill points, ending points and such is level grinding the repair units (makeing Rand's route a little easier since he can repair) to high levels as soon as you get a stage without a time limit.

** Just about any stage in Z 2 Hakai-Hen with [[Demonic Spiders|Dimensional Monsters]] is a pain in the ass. Especially Stage 50. Artificial DAMON's presences anywhere in ''Saisei-hen'' isn't any better either.

* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]: ''Hakai-hen'' and ''Saisei-hen'' being on a handheld has attracted a large number of complaints, as well as the removal of the Tri-Battle System. A combination of these two things has also limited the returning series to their key cast members and units only.

** In addition to the above, the fact that [[What Could Have Been|Z2 was planned to be a Playstation 2 game]] had some fans upset, as the PSP is seen as a downgrade in terms of graphic capabilities.