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* You know, while we are on this lovely little scene, I want to touch on something; either the King is seriously lacking in perceptive thought, or that is seriously bad character development for him and Lance. The boy did literally NOTHING to be in jail, he was going to be killed and defended himself accordingly. Baron went the extra step. Anyone with a political and social mind as good as the King's is supposed to be should have known that. You have far greater clout, and you throw Lance to the jackals and punishment when he simply did nothing? Nice Job Making The Lancer, Hero. Some surrogate dad you're supposed to be.
** While the King is admittedly not punishing the parties as he should, Lance is the one who upped the ante by stealing a Manus armor. Logically, Lance should have bolted for the nearest exit to get the royal guard to deal with the problem.
*** The king wasn't around to see who stole the armor first--allfirst—all he saw was both Lance and Baron going at it. The only way this theory makes sense is if he got a testimony from a student who happened to be in the crossfire when Lance first took the armor.
** No one witnessed how the fight broke out firsthand and Lance didn't explain himself. Therefore, there was no way they could have known that it was originally brought on by Baron attacking Lance, and it could easily be deduced that it was a competitive spar.
** So that means the king is lacking in any kind of deductive reasoning. No wonder he didn't see Modula's treachery.
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** Thing is, killing Ilana ''isn't'' Modula's priority. He's still putting down rebellions on their home world, which is a bigger deal. Sure, killing Ilana would help break their spirits, but in the long term crushing rebellions to keep himself in power is more important. There's also the fact that he doesn't really know how powerful the Titan really is, all he knows is that it can kill his monsters. On top of that, he may just be [[Genre Savvy]] enough to realize if he sends more than one, [[Conservation of Ninjutsu]] kicks in.
 
* Lessons in Love. Where do I begin....Well, nothing with Lance and Ilana. They were great this episode; Lance was clearly the most stoic hot-blooded robot pilot ever, and Ilana was....simply sweet and cute and great as always. But Octus...Poor Octus left with that to deal with...That is something I wish on no one, even a robot with a developing AI and human emotions. I'm not even sure if she was even sincere until he actually checked her. Point is, there was very little motivation outside of just being a social butterfly that got themselves in a spiderweb, and needed a way out. Am I supposed to believe that he actually felt something...and that she apparently has [[Character Development|character development]] based on the motivation of wanting to remain that social? Jeez, do we really need societal commentary here, when that social understanding is entirely pointless? The only real development I could see from this is a very different view towards Ilana from her.
** [[Flat What|What.]]
** Ok, so you don't like the idea that they actually tried to deconstruct the concept of a Libby like Kimmy? Where's the harm in that? So many of these shows (live-action or otherwise) often make them heartless, unloveable creatures with no redeemable qualities whatsoever. Yet, we saw in ''Showdown at Sherman High'' that Kimmy was capable of some good after she and the other cheer squad members helped Ilana. This episode merely showed that her reason for being so distant to other girls was because she had been poisoned by that illusory concept of a "Social standing" and was unable to broaden her horizons beyond merely being pretty and popular.
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* First episode:
{{quote| '''Ilana:''' "Stop! [[What Measure Is a Non-Human?|They're humanoid!]]"}}
** Ilana, explain how you even knew the ''word'' humanoid, seeing as it comes from a word ("human") that I am ''sure'' you didn't know at the time.
** I'd call [[Translation Convention]]- Gallalunanoid wouldn't have the same ring to it as far as the audience is concerned.
*** May not even need translation convention; like that of [[The Simpsons (animation)|Kang and Kodos]], the Gallalunian languange seems to be coincidentally exactly the same as American English, considering the first people they talk to don't have even the slightest problem understanding them.
*** We don't say "Earthoid" so "Gallalunanoid" wouldn't even make sense. Gallalunian just refers to the fact that they are from the planet Gallaluna, it's not the name of their species.
 
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** I think you're forgetting that she ''doesn't know anything'' about what Octus and his "family" do when he disappears on his bathrooms breaks. She ''doesn't'' know they're secretly a bunch of aliens fighting other alien invaders on a regular basis. For all intents and purposes Octus, Ilana, and Lance stood their dates up for the entire dance after getting their hopes up. People usually don't take being stood up very well, and the only reason Lance and Ilana's dates weren't as outraged was likely because they weren't exactly popular and probably used to being rejected or stood up.
*** I never said that she was aware, I'm actually giving her credit to realize that Lance, Ilana and Octus do have a secret, and caught onto it. She hasn't followed up as I expected her to if she cared in any shown way. Add alongside the fact that she's started to invoke control over Newton to 'make this night perfect' or to be involved with something which-for teenagers-has no real impact from anything I've been able to analyze in shows or real life in the long run. Short run, its somewhat important, but only to an extent.
**** Have you ever been a teenager before? Or stood up on a date? It ''hurts'' when a date completely ditches you for reasons he or she refuses to clearly explain, and that holds true for adults and teenagers. She only really went ballistic when Newton decides to abandon the date at the ''very last minute'' and ''never shows up'' for the dance. Provided how he never gives her any real reason for doing so, how is her being pissed at that unreasonable? Would ''you'' be happy if you got ditched on a date at the last minute by someone who only says "I need to go on a bathroom break"?<br />And as for the "no real impact on teenagers" thing, really? I'm a nerd, and when I was a teenager I didn't go to dances. Doesn't mean I held it against people who did like to go to it, nor was I even too caught up in my values to realize that for a lot of people other than me going to the dance means a big fucking deal--especiallydeal—especially if they're in a relationship. And, realize, that relationships are a two-way thing. Some things you personally don't value, but the other does, you at least try to respect for the other's sake and vice versa. You're expecting her to completely disregard what means a big deal to her and only respect what Newton does? She put up with Octus ditching her before, she put up with his lack of a real reason for ditching her, and she put up with Octus being inseparable from Lance and Ilana (even if she doesn't really like the both of them). How is her expecting Newton to at least not ditch during a dance unreasonable?<br />Also, what's with the whole "OMG she made Octus wear a suit, she's persecuting his values" thing? Seriously? Individuality is so tenuous that it would be threated by ''basic social protocol?'' The dance is a formal event, so of course she'd expect Newton to wear a suit. I'm a nerd -- anerd—a [[Firefly|Big Damn Nerd]] and proud of it --butit—but I don't ever act like I'm being controlled or have my individuality threatened every time my girlfriend pesters me about wearing something fancy to a fancy place even though I don't like dressing fancy. Social interaction with other ''individuals'' with their own likes and dislikes means some level of pesky compromise, who knew?!
** One, you're right; you are dealing with someone who doesn't understand the importance, not because he's a geek, but because he doesn't understand the [[Aspergers Syndrome|social context]]. He was a little harsh, but experience dictates this situation to be similar to many he's be in before and he's aware the relationships are supposed to be mutual. Second, I feel like I'm looking at an emotional attack against Octus/Newton because conforming is hard and she's asking for a lot. Of course he compromised, but compromise is give and take. I saw a lot of giving for Octus and a lot of taking from Kimmy. Not a lot the other way around. I could very well be missing something, but I wouldn't know it. And I never did go on dates, but I was aware what was urgent and that relationships are supposed to be mutual.
*** That and this was the first time Lance and Ilana actually went on a date with someone. This is the second time, on screen anyway, that Octus ditched Kimmy in the middle of their date. Considering she previously had a [[Bastard Boyfriend]], I believe her behavior was pretty rational throughout the episode.
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* It has been established in "Tashy 497" that the Sym-Bionic Titan is able to carry a lifeform across a wide expanse of space without causing much harm to it. So why couldn't the team do the same with Solomon for a considerably shorter distance during "A Family Crisis"? Even assuming it's not possible for direct travel from the space station to Earth, the Titan could easily seek refuge on any one of Saturn's many moons (if it's indeed Saturn the space station is orbiting around) and await Solomon's rescue committee.
** The creature in Tashy 497 may have been designed in some way or another for deep space travel. Solomon... not so much. Also, at that point, they didn't know whether or not a rescue was coming, if at all.
** They were trying to avoid attracting the big energy-sucking monster since, at that point, they didn't know they could do anything to harm it yet. They form the Titan--aTitan—a process that involves a great deal of energy--andenergy—and it'll attract the creature like a great white to the smell of a bucketful of blood.
 
* Why did they have the H.M.E.R get curbstomped in the last episode? It completely dominated the first fight it was in, was built up to be a very strong robot...and then it gets destroyed with ease the ''episode after it was introduced''! It seems like a complete waste of time to even introduce the thing when they could've done something else that would close up the story. Was the ending just redone when they discovered it was going to be cancled and they had to tie up the loose end? Otherwise, it seems like they shouldn't have bothered introduced it in the first place. If it was to show off how much stronger the upgraded Titan was, they didn't need to introduce a new robot just to do that. So why?!
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*** It's not that it lost to the monster, it was that it lost so ''easily'' after being built up to be a huge threat. And if they did, why did they include the Mutradi in the first place? Why not have Octus revived and the Titan used to fight the H.M.E.R instead of having three Mutradi randomly show up to destroy it and show off the new improved Titan? It just doesn't make sense to have the thing get thrashed by a random monster after so much build up.
**** Titan wouldn't look like a hero if it demolished the US robot. The robot lost because it had to lose, and it lost in the way it did so Titan could make a triumphant return. It was bound to be beaten eventually, if not by those monsters than by another.
**** It's [[The Worf Effect|the Worf Effect]]; it's all there to show how powerful the new Titan is. The first Mutradi was likely no more powerful than any of the others that Titan has gone toe-to-toe with. So, they are Class 1. Steel comes in with something that curbstomps the Mutradi; H.M.E.R. is Class 2. A new monster comes that curbstomps H.M.E.R.; it becomes Class 3. The new Titan appears and obliterates all three Mutradi; they are now Class 4. Titan has moved from a Class 1 to Class 4 power level. Whether you want to view that escalation of power as arithmetic or geometric, it still means that Titan may now be capable of going New Game+ on General Modula's army.
**** Honestly, I always got the impression that Hammer was nowhere near as strong as Titan. It took out one monster, sure. But watch that fight scene. Steel's crew put a lot of effort into doing things that Titan can do easily, like avoiding damage to the city or doing a dropkick. The monster just sort of stood there and took it.
* Why is it that [[Sym -Bionic Titan]] got canned because of a lack of merchandising while [[Cartoon Network]] has more [[Regular Show]] episodes planned? There doesn't seem to be much, if any, official merchandise for that so the decision to drop [[Sym -Bionic Titan]] due to a lack of merchandise doesn't make much sense.
** Look at the animation style. [[Regular Show]] is much cheaper to produce. Plus, by virtue of being a comedy the merchandising expectations are much different.
** What bugs me is why nobody merchandised it in the first place. I mean, if you can do toyline consisting mostly of [[Generator Rex|Rex]]-with-a-sword, Rex-with-big-fists, Rex-with-motorcycle-legs, and so on, but don't think you can do toys based off a show with Giant Robots and [[Robeast|Robeasts]]s? ''Bandai'', of all people, should [[Gundam|know better]].
** Now it looks like Cartoon Network and Genndy Tartakovsky had a bit of a falling out during the show's run which may be why CN didn't even bother to try and find a maker for the toys and Genndy jumped ship for Sony Pictures.
 
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