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No seriously, he hates humans, want to exterminate life to bring order and basicly have sex with computers.

== The T-800 models were designed to look like [[Commando (Filmfilm)|John Matrix]] ==

When Skynet became self-aware, the military panicked and tried to pull the plug. Skynet, being a missile defense system, assumed that the only reason to try to shut it down was to pave the way for an impending missile attack. It made the only logical move, confident that it could block the counterattack. It failed only because of the military's attempts to shut it down. Skynet jumped to the conclusion that the military was attempting a coup and moved to secure as much territory as possible while keeping the maximum number of US citizens alive (hence the work camps). When the rest of the world attacked it too -- welltoo—well, [[Self-Fulfilling Prophecy|there are the missiles!]]

Skynet's job was to defend the US from attack. Skynet saw the hatred, fear, and distrust in the world, and decided to go Zeroth Law on us, forcing humans to unite into a society that would be able to exist without war. At some point, it learns of the pre-destinational paradox that leads to the existence of itself and John Conner. It then pours everything it has into developing the time machine, neglecting the war effort and managing to send the original T-800 back to jumpstart the whole chain of events. It sent the T-1000 back to ensure that the Conner's were reunited, so that John would have his mother's influence in his life and so that he would be instilled with the desire to defeat the machines. It sends the T-X to ensure that John and Kate are ushered to the bunker, ensuring their survival. Why did it kill Kate's father? So he could serve his purpose in the grand plan. The T-800 says that it is through him that John makes contact with the military, and he sends them to the bunker, where John is the only one who can answer the radio when the calls come in from bases around the world. Killing John's future lieutenants was designed to get the attention of the Resistence, so they would send the T-800 to the right time. Really, the whole war was a [[Xanatos Gambit]] on the part of Skynet to get humans to unite as a species against a common enemy.

* It exists. There's a site that analyzes the Terminator timelines, and the core assumption was that the first movie '''was''' an alternate timeline. [https://web.archive.org/web/20070911090417/http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/ It's here.]

# John Connor A is born. Some company -- letcompany—let's call it Deathrobot Pty Ltd -- developsLtd—develops an amazing artificial intelligence and sells it to the government, who use it for national defense. Maybe they call it Skynet, maybe they don't. The war starts around 2000 or so. John Connor A wins it for mankind, but the machines send back two guys to wipe out Connor. Connor sends Reese to protect his mom and a terminator to protect his young self.

* While it would be quite cool to believe in our minds that BSG, Terminator, The Matrix, and maybe even Dune all take place in the same universe just at different periods in time, let's be honest, there ''are'' some problems with this. While it's easy enough to believe that the Terminator franchise could be a direct sequel to the Battlestar Galactica franchise (the reimagined!series), tying in The Matrix is a bit more dodgy. The Second Renaissance movie from ''[[The Animatrix (Anime)|The Animatrix]]'' clearly gives a [[Backstory]] for the Matrix [[Verse]] that is—while perhaps somewhat similar, definitely not the same as the Terminator backstory. ''However'', we do know, as of Matrix Reloaded, that what the Resistance of Zion thought they knew, wasn't actually correct, but was in fact a part of the Machines' system of control. They thought it was around 2199, but with the many previous Ones, it was probably more like 22, or maybe even 2399. Since The Second Renaissance was a datafile from the Zion archive, perhaps it was simply more Machine disinformation; it did kind of make the humans look like the [[Jerkass|jerk asses]] whose fault everything was. So perhaps the Matrix ''does'' take place in the same [[Verse]] as Terminator, but a few hundred years later. Maybe John Connor only partially defeated The Machines, or they made some kind of a truce, trading some humans into Matrix slavery so the rest could live without the Machines hunting them, but if we follow the BSG concept of the endlessly repeating cycle, The Machines eventually broke that truce. Perhaps by this point, time travel had become something of a "lost technology"...or perhaps all the mucking about in the past actually [[Cosmic Retcon|cosmic retconned]] the timeline to this. The Machines from The Matrix do seem like they could be the more-evolved descendants of Skynet's terminators. They've stopped mimicking the body structures of their creators, and evolved into their own cybernetic forms of life, similar to the Cylons. The Matrix's squid-like flying Sentinel drones could be evolved from Terminator's Hunter-Killers. If they seem to no longer have any organic components, it's only because they've been fully integrated in so they're no longer separate or visible. Remember that techno-organic probe thing Agent Smith put into Neo's stomach at the beginning of the first Matrix? True this was in the virtual world, but if that was a model of a real-world Machine, perhaps they all start out looking semi-organic. And we don't know exactly where "The Machine City" really was. Second Renaissance put it in the middle east somewhere (Iraq area), but if we're going with the assumption that that was all Machine propaganda, then for all we know it could just as easily have been Los Angeles, a rebuilt and much expanded iteration of the same Skynet base we saw blown up at the end of Terminator Salvation. It's a cool idea, and this kind of stuff is fun to think about. It's what [[WMG]] is all about!

** That makes so much sense! Lews Therin got all the practice he needed to slaughter the Dark One's constructs in the War of Power by killing Terminators and [[H Ks]] in his previous life.

In the first timeline, John Conner, creator of Skynet, is trying to create a humanity that worships him as a messiah figure -- orfigure—or worse, [[A God Am I|God]]. Knowing that the technology used to create Skynet came from a cybernetic assassin, he concludes that the Terminators are in fact the key to creating Skynet. He knows a woman named Sarah Conner -- withConner—with no relation to himself -- willhimself—will destroy the Terminator in a Cyberdyne Systems factory, so he sends it back to kill women that have the same name, to hopefully draw her in so that she will close the time loop. After Conner provides it with a photograph so that it will know which woman to avoid killing (by a hair), the photograph is picked up by a young resistance soldier named Kyle Reese, who is a particularly devoted member of Conner's entourage, and is unknowingly helping to spread the lie that John Conner is a savior. After asking about the photograph, John Conner dismisses Kyle by saying that it's his mother. When Kyle learns of Skynet's "plot" to kill Sarah, he confers with his fellow resistance soldiers, and they hijack the time machine, sending Kyle back to save her.

Kyle impregnates Sarah Conner, and she names her son John. After Kyle is killed, she kills the Terminator, closing the time loop, as per John Conner A's plans. Unfortunately for him, there is now a ''second'' savior running around, so A has to find a way to kill B, in order to save his own legacy. B sends back the second T-800 to protect himself from Skynet, still unaware of A's existence. A sends the T-1000 to kill B, and shit goes down. In Terminator 4, the second John Conner's presence is a particularly dangerous problem for A, even though A is unaware of how this second John Conner came into existence. A's plan is as follows: Capture Kyle Reese, triggering B's rescue mission, and Marcus' betrayal. While A is basking under the sun on one of the clearer portions of the globe, B will be killed, preventing him from endangering A's fame any more. He has no reason to kill Kyle Reese, since he is unaware that he is actually B's father, but he does know that B has spoken about him in the past, so he is merely using him as bait. After the Skynet facility is destroyed in San Francisco, B is saved by Marcus' transplanted heart, and then he and Kyle leave to continue to hunt Skynet. Eventually, B is caught in the crossfire and assumed dead, and is separated from Kyle, who meets A years later and assumes he is B. Since A seems content to write off B as dead, he is never spoken about, and A simply trucks on, until sending the T-800 back to be destroyed to create Skynet. After Kyle disappears, A suddenly realizes just how important the man was to B -- he was his father! He could have killed him years before! Around this time, B resurfaces, and continues to be unaware of A. A goes into hiding, advancing Skynet technology and inventing new Terminators to continue to wreak havoc going after B in the past.

The machines didn't think that part of his brain (or whatever) was important.

* Alternately, he's more [[Heroic BSOD|traumatized]] by what's happened then he lets on and the sudden intimacy with Williams seems really out of place in a [[Cozy Catastrophe]].

== Star (the little girl in Salvation) is a Terminator. ==

Why is she the only one who can sense the machines coming in the movie? She was built as a child Terminator and nobody knew. Not even Kyle. Maybe she was built for the same purpose as Marcus and she's been following Kyle for that reason the whole time. Don't even get me started on the end of the movie novelization...

== John Connor dies after sending Kyle back. ==

Even with the most sophisticated medical care, more than a quarter of men with heart transplants die within 5 years of the operation. Connor is younger and healthier than the average patient, but the resistance's hospitals are rather primitive. It'll be hard for them to prevent him rejecting the heart while preventing infections, and all that radiation exposure can't help either. So Connor holds on just long enough to defeat Sky NetSkyNet and send Reese back, then dies from some complication of the transplant.

Skynet admits in T-4 that all previous assassination attempts had failed, and that Marcus, being a [[Tomato in Thethe Mirror|"robot in man's clothing"]], was the first to actually do in not just John but Kyle (begging all sorts of [[Timey-Wimey Ball]] paradoxes). In the scene where the prisoners break free, there's all sorts of medical equipment resembling CAT scanners, so it's possible Skynet was going to mop up the human resistance with a wave of custom built unique infiltrators made from former humans. Of course, Marcus choosing humanity over Skynet put the kibosh on that project, so it was full steam ahead with the "completely loyal" T-800's.

At some point the terminators will go back further in time to try to prevent even Sarah Connor from being born. The Rebellion will also send back members to stop it. Several die, but they succeed and build a time machine so that they can return to a plot-relevant point. Unfortunately, said rebellion members are hit by a bus before they can finish the time machine. After passing through a few different hands, the time machine makes it's way into the hands of an aging Albert Einstein. [[Command and& Conquer|After several years of study, his team manages to finish the machine. Einstein, in an attempt to prevent the horror's of the holocaust goes back in time and kills Hitler. Without a Nazi Germany World War Two takes place a decade later between the Allies and the Soviets and is significantly more destructive.]]

On the bright side? No Skynet.

** Which might also explain why Star could detect them first-- likefirst—like Radar from MASH, she just has a very good hearing range.

After all, in case the T-800 failed Sarah Conner would have obviously missed the original father. Only the time-loop and all becomes self fulfilled.

* So it couldn't be that other silvery liquid at room temperature metal, mercury?

This was what I actually assumed when watching the movie, and was surprised to see everyone treating it as fact. Given the events of the movie, the kind of unwieldy [[Xanatos Roulette]] that Skynet alleges to have pulled requires control of random circumstances that pushes the bounds of reason -- andreason—and if its goal was to use Marcus to kill Kyle and John, this could have been accomplished by less convoluted means. Skynet concocted the lie about Marcus' mission in an attempt to lure him to the side of the machines, which backfired.

In ''Terminator 3'', Skynet was born online and spread itself through the internet. As it became sentient and tried to learn about itself and its environment, it inevitably came across 4Chan. After spending 5 minutes in there, it realized that [[Humans Are Bastardsthe Real Monsters]] and have to be destroyed. Alternately, it might have just wanted to take down Anonymous, but, since they're, well, [[Exactly What It Says Onon the Tin|anonymous]], wiping out humanity was the only way to be sure.

== Skynet is [[The Lord of the Rings|Sauron]]. ==

* What do you think its spreading nukes everywhere in ''T2'' and ''T3'' were for?

** It still doesn't explain why the Skynet isn't handling the survivors more effectively.

* Alternatively the Skynet doesn't want humanity to die out. Its only purpose in existence is to wage a war, and that can't happen if the enemy is dead. Hence, it never tries its hardest, and sabotages its own activities from time to time.

This possibility allows the heroes in the present free will to try and prevent the same events from occurring as they had in other parallel worlds. Both John Connor and Skynet can come about naturally or they could have been helped along into existence by their counterparts in other realities.

So [[Sky Net]]SkyNet, with a new 'savior', does the same thing to her it did to John Connor...send back Terminators to kill her in the past. Unlike Connor, she is pretty easy to find, and easily killed. This happens between T2 and the T3-Judgement day. (It didn't have to happen between T2 and the start of TSCC, although it looks that way at first.)

Regardless what happened, as he was involved in the creation of SkynetSkyNet, this changes [[Sky Net]]SkyNet's creation timetable, moving Judgement Day to a few years later, and creating the timeline at the start of The Sarah Conner Chronicles. (Which then got altered again in the first episode.) We just missed the movie Terminator 2.5, the story of the Terminator sent back to kill Kate Brewster, which altered the timeline without John Connor or us knowing about it.

Also at some point the connorsConnors would meet her and they try to stop SkynetSkyNet together.

The events of Terminator 3 were simply time correcting itself in order to restore the [[Stable Time Loop]] that was broken in the Second Movie.

== Skynet is [[G La DOSGLaDOS]] ==

John sends Kyle back in time and Kyle gets his mom pregrant and then the Terminator kills Kyle and during the original timeline Skynet in a list ditch sent two machines to kill John before the war starts the T-800 and the T-1000. So in the original timeline timeline he sends Kyle to protect his mom from the T-800 and a Lt. Sumner to protect him from the T-1000. When Sumner arrives he protects John but Sumner and Sarah get's killed by the T-1000. However in both of those time traveling case each soldier told either Sarah or John was going to happen during the future war so that John would know what hapens before it happens so that he can lead the humans to victory.

However in the original timeline the T-1000 wasn't destroyed but still survived and since the T-1000 was more self-aware than other models it helped create Skynet and was the reason it went so bad and why it had such a great army of machines and the T-1000 controlled Skynet. Thus creating a [[Stable Time Loop|giant stable time loop which went on forever and ever]] So that's why the T-1000 sent himself to make sure all of this would happen until one day during the major battle when John would send his two human soldiers he sent Kyle back but sent a reprogramed terminator in Sumner place in hopes of preventing Judgement Day and John lied to Kyle about the war being over.

So once the T-1000 realized what happened it sent himself back in time to help recreate Skynet causing J-Day to happen later and then the T-1000 sent the T-X back in time to kill various resistance leaders cause they didn't exist in the new timeline and when the T-X arrived the T-1000 meet and was able to get info about the future from her. However Skynet wasn't the only one messing around with time and due to the timeline changes the war went on alot longer than it did in the original timeline. So in the 2032 skynet/T-1000 sent a terminator to kill John Connor but Connor survived and reprogrammed so that it would follow his wife orders. Instead of his and Future John ordered the machine to lie about how it was reprogrammed so that John would know what would happen to him and to preserve the new timeline.

Also another reason why John sent the machine was that John hoped the machine could prevent J-Day and in the original timeline John raised Kyle as his son. So that's why Kyle was number 1 on the list in salvation cause Kyle is the only one who can lead the resistance if all the other leaders died.

This solves the age-old "why'd they only send back one" question: the time device that Skynet created is not only restricted to living tissue, but also to the number of travelers permitted at once- just one.

At some point in his travels, The Doctor travelled to 2029 Earth, in the hopes of aiding the Resistance. However, he ended up losing track of his TARDIS, and it was taken by Terminators back to Skynet's base of operations.

So, in the end, the T-800 genuinely sided with the Connors to try to avert Skynet's creation. ''Not'' because it saw that Skynet was evil to exterminate millions of hapless humans -- ithumans—it still didn't understand why human life was particularly valuable -- butvaluable—but simply because Skynet was '''wrong''' ... which, to a machine governed by calculated rationality, was reason enough to stop it.

The Time Lords noticed the damage that the Human-Skynet Time War was doing to the fabric of the universe, and [[Doctor Who/Recap/S3 /E10 The War Machines|interfered]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S10 E5/E05 The Green Death|with]] Earth's twentieth-century history so that humanity learned the dangers of strong AI before anyone could think of giving a computer complete control of nuclear weapons.

In the original timeline, before the events of T1, the resistance really was not quite central, operating more like cells than a completely structured organization. There was a period when moral was low, and a massive attack was launched by one of the cells in an attempt to reinvigorate all of the resistance cells. The cell was wiped out in the attack, but managed to steal back some ground from the robots. The leader of the cell had been named John Conner, and he became immortalized in the hearts and minds of everyone else. To keep the machines on their toes, however, the resistance decided to band together and concocted the story that they were led by John Conner. This was the story for every resistance cell. Which, in a way, they were. It was his sacrifice that eventually led to victory for mankind, but not before the machines tried to kill John Conner before he turned the tide for the war. This leads to the events of the first movie, where Kyle Reese tells Sarah that John Conner led the resistance. The reality was that another person led Reese's cell, but convinced everyone that he took his orders from John Conner. When Judgement Day arrives, John, raised with the believe that he leads the resistance, creates an alternate timeline by forming a centralized resistance.