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** Also, Spanish does not mean what North Americans tend to call Hispanic. Although the long stretch of time in which Spain was ruled by the Moors did contribute somewhat to the gene pool, the conception of someone Spanish having black hair and darkish skin actually comes from the racial mixing that occurred once the conquistadors moved into Central/South America. There the Spanish (who looked/look pretty much like any other Europeans) co-opted various indigenous peoples with dark coloring. Spain itself has a populace not all that different looking from any other European country.
** True, but blond hair and blue eyes remain northern European features. I've been to Spain, and I didn't see any blond people there, or people with skin as pale as Lucrezia's. Then there's the fact that neither of her parents or brothers have blond hair or pale skin.
*** For the most part, yes, but blonde hair is a recessive trait, which can be carried for generations without manifesting in the phenotype. According to [[That Other Wiki]], in contemporary accounts "[s]he is described as having heavy blonde hair which fell past her knees, a beautiful complexion, hazel eyes which constantly changed colour," and so forth. And although not all the attributions are certain, here are [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Dossi_dossi<!-- 2C_lucrezia_borgia2C_1518_circa02%2C_lucrezia_borgia%2C_1518_circa02.jpg some]] [[http://www.digitaltimes.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lucrezia-borgia-by-bartolomeo-veneziano.jpg probable portraits]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Lucretia_Borgia_Pinturicchio.jpg of her]]. Granted, the descriptions may play fast and loose with the truth in order to make her fit more closely with the Petrarchan standard of feminine beauty, but we have to go with the information we have from the period. -->
*** First, Holliday Grainger actually uses brown contacts in The Borgias. Second, pale skin was considered both attractive and a symbol of status at the time, so rich girls of marrying age were deliberately kept out of the sun and used spurge-laurel and other products to bleach their skin themselves. Finally, I'm fron Spain and been to Italy and have met plenty of pale blondes in my lifetime. Just because it isn't common doesn't mean it is impossible.
*** The real Lucrezia was also kind of infamously devoted to washing her hair, probably also with remedies of the time to make it even blonder.
*** Ironically, the problem might stem from the fact that [[Reality Is Unrealistic|there aren't ''enough'' blondes in the show]]. The real Vanozza, as seen in [http://theborgias.wetpaint.com/page/Vanozza+dei+Cattanei this portrait], was blonde like Lucrezia but she is portrayed by a brunette actress in the show. So was [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulia_Farnese:Giulia Farnese|Giulia Farnese]] for that matter - the fact Rodrigo was a blondes man probably had something to do with those incest rumours.
*** Also, the Borgia's were from the North of Spain. The North is very heavily influenced by the Celts and Visigoths instead of Moors, so more Northern European appearances.