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**** It was a little push, the Joker just never mentioned coaxing him to the edge.

**** The Joker doesn't say evil, he said madness. And he's referring to Batman too, cause he says Batman is insane too. And yeah, he says "little push", but that was more then a little push. He was just over-emphasizing his point.

** This troper has a pet theory that Rachel was pregnant. A few clues- Dent saying to Gordon to meet him "where my family died" and when he rages at him, "You wouldn't dare justify yourself to me if you knew what I'd lost!" Given that Gordon's married and I think has a pretty good idea what it would be like to lose a wife/SO, it seems odd that Dent would say that. Assuming Dent had your stock American dream of a house with a white picket fence and a wife, kids, and Golden Retriever, losing all that has a lot more punch than "my girlfriend of a year just kicked off."

*** Wow, That adds a whole new level of [[Tear Jerker]] to something that was already heartwrenching.

*** If you're on a Headscratchers page for a series, you should expect spoilers. The entire point of such a page is to '''discuss the plot of the film'''.

*** If that's the case, why do we even bother with spoiler tags in these pages? Seems like it would be best to do away with them, unless they spoil a separate work.

** I would like to add that Harvey had all the makings for being the sort of guy who could snap and go on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]]. In his first scene, he showed signs of arrogance, idealism, and granduer. At least be fictional standards, that screams "future villain". Notice how he strolls into the courtroom while late, engages in a childish game of chance with a flip of a trick coin, and then struts around after punching out the would-be assassin. He does all of this with a very smug look on his face. Let's also not forget the scene where he interrogates Joker's henchman. Sure, the coin was a fake but it's still a '''very''' brutal act from someone who is supposed to be a district attorney. It wouldn't be hard at all to push him in the right direction.

*** Dent is clearly not all there. He has violent mood swings even before Rachel was killed as is evidenced by his interrogation. It is mentioned that everyone he has had dealings with dislike him for one reason or another which leads to a life of extreme isolation much like both Bruce Wayne and the Joker. Cops distrust him and outright criticize him while talking about him being two-faced. Only Rachel seems to be interested in his personal well-being which he casually shrugs off as he seeks both fame and resolution to his cases. After Rachel dies, he feels completely alone and vindictive towards everyone even remotely connected to Rachel's death including Batman for saving him, Gordon for not saving Rachel, the perceived duplicity of Gordon's force and the larger police force as a whole which has long been corrupted even before Bruce became Batman. This is not a life of someone that was happy and indeed, he acknowledges that people either become villains or die. Not much of a rosy outlook or faith in humankind. Due to not much backstory, Dent isn't fully explored but everything we see in him shows that a small corruption of his nature would push him to villainy.

** Most versions of Batman are significantly more competent than the Batman presented here, so he manages to save everyone even without resorting to guns. Or, to put it another way, most adaptations of ''Batman'' are [[Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism|more idealistic]].

** Also, and though it's not a movie source, consider Batman's philosophy on guns as expressed in Frank Miller's ''The Dark Knight Returns'': "A gun is a coward's weapon; a liar's weapon. We make it too easy to kill, sparing ourselves the mess and the work..."

*** Early on, when DC wanted an angsty action hero. It was only later on that they gave him his code of honor and hatred of guns. [[Characterization Marches On]].

** Batman doesn't ''want'' to use guns or kill people. Keep in mind, he's not a police officer or a soldier; he doesn't have a ''responsibility'' to protect anyone. He does it because it's what he wants to do. You may not like that he does things the way he does, but would you rather have him go back to just being an idle rich playboy?

*** I think the cape did ''something''. It being unable to fully deploy plus being weighed down by Rachel meant it wasn't nearly as effective as it usually would have been, but it still did something to lessen the impact.

*** In order for the cape to do something it would have to be "open" like a parachute or kite, allowing the air to catch from underneath it. Instead it was wrapped around them like a ball. Even forgetting that, assuming the flapping edges of his cape slowed them down somehow, they still hit the car with enough force to shatter bones. How much they were slowed we can't really know, but however much it was it was still enough to crumple the car's window and top, and that's not something you can just walk away from.

*** If you notice, when they're about 10 feet from the ground, his cape does open for a second, which might have slowed their fall a little. Probably not enough to avoid injury, but we're talking about Batman here. The car was probably just so scared of him, it crumpled under him to absorb the blow, rather than [[The Dreaded|risk angering him]].

** The Joker did point out that he thought for a while that Dent was Batman. Having Dent vanish from the party and Batman appear would certainly seem like a big clue, and shift Joker's focus away from searching the penthouse.

*** And blaming them on The Joker would have meant that The Joker would have won: We was shown to break Gotham's White Knight and Batman would only have been blamed for having been incapable of saving the city.

** Getting back to the original, from this Troper's position, he sees the five deaths as the bartender, Wertz, Maroni, his driver, and maybe a cop who was with Ramirez ("two of them cops"). Having Ramirez die off camera would make no sense; they might as well have had Dent shoot her instead of pistol-whipping. Gordon wouldn't have assumed Ramirez was dead, because she wasn't protecting his family; she got them away from the other cops. After being whipped, Ramirez could have called in the attack.

 

* They made references to people being from Arkham Asylum. Why the hell are they still using it? HOW, if its been so short a time that Wayne Manor hasn't even been rebuilt yet?

*** Are you serious? Ever tried to swim over the Hudson?

**** The confusion there is that the canon layout of Gotham has wide rivers, but the actual shot Nolan used was the Chicago river which a few hundred feet wide, at most.

*** what bugs me is that they checked out the bridges and tunnels with a fine tooth comb but no one ever thought to check the boats out?

*** Why would they? The Joker specifically said bridges and tunnels, and he's a man of his word. Until he breaks it.

*** Of course he would. He could just about repeat one of his lines from the movie: "Me, kill those people? I was right here!" * Holds up his cuffed hands* "Who did ''you'' leave them with, hmmm?"

*** Also on the plus side, if the criminal element in Gotham thinks {{spoiler|that Batman killed a bunch of people}}, they'll be that much more scared of him. Bruce and Gordon probably didn't intend this part, though it would be useful and in fact is a reference to at least one moment in the comics where Batman muses aloud that he's insulted the crook he's interrogating thinks he would leave any evidence after killing someone...

*** Plus, if they want to keep the Joker behind bars, the worst thing to do is try to frame him. If a denfense attorney found proof of evidence tampering on the part of the police, they could move to get the whole case thrown out.

 

** Another thing on that note: Reese finds the blueprint, recognizes it as the Batmobile and gets the idea to use it for blackmail. Why didn't whoever worked on designing and constructing the Batmobile in the first place get the same idea? Keep in mind that it was originally not designed for Batman, but as a private venture for the military, so it was not like they got to handpick ones they knew would never talk.

*** Because there's no clear pictures of the Batmobile. Think about it: how many people have actually seen the Tumbler on TV? Clearly? The one time, in the first movie, it's seen from above in a news chopper pointing a camera almost directly down. That's not exactly a good profile shot. No one's seen it well enough to know what it looks like. End of story, and in fact true for most/all of Batman's gear.

** Why doesn't Reese blackmail Batman? Because he's one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world who also spends his night beating criminals to a pulp. Oh, and apparently, he now has abandoned his "no-killing" rule, according to the police, giving Reese even ''less'' of a reason for wanting to blackmail Batman now.

** For that matter, why hasn't anyone else put two and two together? An accountant from Wayne Enterprises (with that young, athletically fit majority owner possessing a [[Dark and Troubled Past]]) says he can reveal the Batman's identity (ie, the superhero with all that high dollar equipment, including a friggin TANK). Granted, the evidence may not point * directly* to Bruce Wayne, but there's not a lot of other names on that list to choose from.

*** Based on countless hours of Law and Order, if a DA or policeman shows any kind of corruption, they have to review all his convictions. Defense attorneys seem to be really good at getting their clients off the hook in these situations.

** This was really the only thing in the movie that bugged this troper. Uh oh. The attorney killed three or four people. Well, I guess we better release those 500 criminals he put away, despite the fact that they have already been convicted. It doesn't make sense. The Judge liking Dent doesn't fly either, because Dent talks about this type of case as being a real thing. Not just something he thought would be funny and it turns out the Judge would too. So if it is found out that Dent is a criminal, then there is no reason that the justice system would just reverse itself and have all the criminals out on the streets.

 

* Why didn't the guy just spit the grenade out and make a run (stumble) for it the moment the bus door closed? He could see that the pin was attached to the bumper.

*** That seals it. Alfred is a mega-badass.

** I remember Michael Caine talking about how he had invented a backstory for this. IIRC, Alfred was in the armed forces of some kind, and he was injured and spent a lot of time on base, where he learned to cook (having nothing better to do). At that time, Thomas Wayne was looking to hire a butler, and wanted a tough guy for the job, so he was looking around this army camp, and he met Alfred.

*** I gotta say I love the idea of Alfred being the Wayne's bodyguard.

 

*** I think the fear worked a bigger factor than the money did. Not at first, probably, but once word got around that there was someone pulled the bank caper, a few more people joined his shindig. After he faced the mafia during their meeting, insulted them, came out alive, and then took out the head of one of the warring gangs, I'd be willing to bet that a lot of mobsters thought they'd rather join the Devil be on the side that fights him. And once he pulled off his jail gambit, which involved fooling Batman himself, I wouldn't be surprised if ''every remaining unjailed thug in Gotham'' flocked to him, knowing that he was their greatest leader against the Dark Knight. Rats clinging to the floating piece of wreckage, you know?

** Also keep in mind that there are still a lot of uncaptured escapees from Arkham, as mentioned near the beginning of the film (or possibly the end of Batman Begins, in any case.) Batman mentions that the {{spoiler|police officer wearing the Rachel Dawes nametag is a paranoid schitzophrenic,}} and some of the captured lackeys, {{spoiler|including the lackey with the bomb in his stomach}} are also clearly insane.

*** All I can say is, those are some pretty disciplined, obedient psychos.

**** At least with the big guy in the jail cell, it seemed Joker played on his psychosis and fed him some mumbo-jumbo about "putting bright lights" inside of him.

** That's a common error made in most movies. Very few directors know about backblast.

** If you re-watch the film, the door behind the Joker is open as well

** The RPG was partially poking out the door of the truck. Considering the Tumbler has equipment precise enough to pick out humans against a relatively warm background, it would make sense that he'd have something as simple as a ''camera'' on the thing.

* Why is such a big deal made of Bruce not revealing his identity? Its like, [[Screw the Rules, I Have Money|he has a ton of cash.]] Why not just get lots of security for loved ones and bribe the jury?

** Did you completely miss the scene where Joker manages to kill every single person under police protection, often right infront of them? It wouldn't do much, no matter how much security.

** Well, actually if that girl is Barbara it is not too hard to explain. Most people don't know Barbara is actually not Gordon's daughter (okay, well, she is, more on that later). She's his niece. Gordon ended up adopting her when her parents died or something similar to that. And, yes, we do find out eventually in comics continuity that Babs is Gordon's biological daughter because he had an affair with her mother, but as far as most people know Babs is Gordon's adopted daughter, not biological.

* By the same token, why is it Gordon's SON who gets the focus in this film? Did anyone think that if it had been Barbara, especially at the climax, that it would have been the perfect setup for an eventual turn into Batgirl?

***** Well, there's the fact that Nolan so wanted to avoid "side kick" association the he not only failed to acknowledge Barbara "Babs" Gordon by name (which admittedly, might have been confusing without exposition as his wife is also named Barbara), but kept her face hidden.

 

There's also the fact that Nolan has a son himself, so the idea of relating to that kind of father/son dynamic was easier for him and really, that's all the story essentially called for. Yeah, he could have blown it up and included more of the Gordon family, but as the man was stuck trimming fat off of the movie anyway by the time TDK had to be ready to go, it probably wouldn't have made to the screen anyway. Finally, it's probably a bit of a holdover from Year One, where Gordon's son is put in danger and Batman winds up saving his life. I guess with all the attention Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) had gotten in media over the years, focussing on James Gordon Jr. for a bit was definitely a new way to go.

 

 

* When the fake Batman's corpse drops down in front of the window, how on earth did he already have that mass of scar tissue after a few days?

**** In which case they will ''still'' get blown up by the Joker when the time runs out, so no matter what deal they make the pressure to go back on it and save themselves goes up by the minute.

 

** Dent's reputation would have affected more than just that case. With Bats taking the blame for the deaths, Dent goes down as a martyr, a hero to the people, and someone to inspire the next DA to live up to. If Dent is implicated in the deaths then, oh well, he was just another whacko, currupt politician. The morale of pretty much everyone in the city goes down from that, and you might find yourself in a worse position than the city was in during ''Begins''.

*** Also on this trooper's third viewing of the film earlier this year (I keep meaning to watch it again but I keep slipping) Dent takes Lao to court to testify. You only see the scene before they leave where Dent throws him a bullet-proof vest and mentions they are going to court, but that's enough to show that Lao got his testimony out of the way before his untimely death. Plus the goal was not to convict all 500 hundred of them. Only the top mafia guys could afford to make bail; all the lower and mid-range guys would not be able to afford to make bail, and it was expected that most would plead out when it became apparant their bosses wouldn't come to their rescue (since they aren't making any money because most of their guys on the streets are in prison). With the Joker's spree of terror going on those 490 guys would have some hope of getting let out, but once his efforts to corrupt Batman and Dent failed they had Lao's testimony on record and the prosecuting attorny has just become Gotham's marytr. With no way to discredit Dent's prosecution and Lao's rather damning testimony combined with the Joker's spree still on the minds of many gothamites the RICO case is pretty much decided against the mob.

*** I know he didn't make the deal then, but the mobster who decided to hire him (Chechen?) said 'He's right. We have to fix real problem. Batman'. And it didn't say anywhere that they hired him on different terms.

*** But the terms ''were'' different at that point, because the police had Lao, which changed ''everything.'' As long as Lao was in police custody, their money was literally ''gone''. And that was the problem in the first place: the police ''and'' Batman were targeting the mob's money. The Joker solved that by getting their money back.

** It's my guess that the gas simply killed him, and probably everyone else in the bank. To my knowledge, nerve gas is typically invisible to the human eye, but that wouldn't have looked anywhere near as fearsome as ''Brown Smog of [[Death TM]]''

*** I hadn't thought of that. That actually makes a lot of sense. So it turned out the Joker isn't just an [[Ax Crazy]] psychopath...but he's a ''mean jerk'' too!

*** Well, actually, given that military smoke grenades generally use white phosphorous, what the Joker actually did was set the man's head on fire.

* In the scene where they track down the Joker by sonar- how do they somehow manage to use sonar imaging to detect his ''makeup'' as well as his general bodily location? It doesn't even seem to pick up distinct facial features for anyone else, but really. It might just be to make him more eminently recognisable, but a big blinking arrow over his head reading "THIS IS THE GUY" or something would have been just as easy to program in. Maybe Bruce Wayne's just a tad slow...

** Two thoughts come to mind: Bruce programmed in the bodytype, scars, makeup, and such into the search program to go with the voice match, or the makeup makes subtle changes in sound as it bounces off the Joker's face. Either way, no big for [[Crazy Prepared]] Batman.

*** What's so hard to believe? You're making this too hard, they simply implied which was which. Wouldn't it be pretty obvious to discern the hostages, since they weren't moving, and the SWAT team was moving, plus they were going INTO the building. The Joker could be noticed because he was the only guy on that floor, and the ring of dogs he has makes it painfully obvious.

* Okay, so the Batpod is cool as hell. But the whole time I kept focusing that cape flapping ''mere inches'' above the rear wheel and waiting for something messy to happen. Seriously, couldn't he tuck it in or something?

*** Sling him around like a ragdoll? Bane, anyone?

*** Obviously Lucius needs to collaborate with [[The Incredibles|Edna Mode.]]

** One of the special features on the DVD features development of the Batpod, and they had actually thought of this danger. Originally they decided that the memory technology in the cape would allow it to fold up into a backpack shape so it would be out of the way. When they tested the pod using the costume, however, the cape never got snagged in anything, so they abandoned the pack idea.

* After two hours of [[Thou Shalt Not Kill]], Batman tackles {{spoiler|Two-Face}} to his death, and this goes completely without comment? Weak.

** The [[Moral Dissonance]] was already there in the first movie, when Batman {{spoiler|decided that [[Technical Pacifist|letting Rah's Al Ghul die in an explosion was totally okay]] when he could have, say, ''saved him and had him arrested''}}. The issue of Batman's No Killing rule and his varying respect of it has been raised in the comics over the years, but it hasn't in the new movies... as unbelievable as it may seem to most Dark Knight fanboys: Batman not being called out for his double standards [[Your Mileage May Vary|limited some people's enjoyment of the movies]].

** Uh, {{spoiler|Ra's}} was fully capable of jumping out the window Batman left through in ''Begins''. He ''chose'' to die. And in TDK, Batman kinda sorta takes responsibility for {{spoiler|killing Two-Face}} when he says, quite clearly and outright to Gordon, that ''"'''I killed these people.'''"'' Sure, he was taking on the burden in order to keep the streets safe, but at the same time, he is outright admitting to and taking responsibility for killing him, even if the death was unintentional and part of saving Gordon's life.

** I think the last sentence is the most important. {{spoiler|It's not like he pulled out a gun and shot Dent in the face, he tackles him to stop him shooting Gordon's kid.}}

*** Citation, please? The reason it's a no-killing rule rather than a no-murder rule is to prevent Batman from getting comfortable with these kinds of "justifications." And even if he doesn't actually have a no-killing rule, he would still have had a stronger reaction to the accidental killing of one of his closest allies (especially when the entire point of Batman's development in the movie is [[Thou Shalt Not Kill]]).

**** He has said in the comics, "Never ''intentionally''," when asked whether he's ever killed anyone. I'm not one of those people who can give you the exact issue for anything so I don't know exactly where, I think in Detective Comics--I'm sure people on Batman forums can help you out. As for the films themselves, he never explicitly states in them that it is his police never to kill anyone, even unintentionally, so your "Citation, please?" backfires drastically. This is a place to get things off your chest, not to insistently debate things.

* Dark Knight spoilers: {{spoiler|Why doesn't Gordon pin the cops' deaths on the Joker or his thugs? There's no evidence linking him to their murders, but there's no evidence incriminating Batman either.}}

** Because the Joker probably has an alibi already planned out for that. Not to mention that, in a way, pinning those crimes on the Joker is ''wrong'' and ''illegal''. Though its also wrong to pin them on Batman, the difference is Batman ''chose'' to have them pinned on him, which is really not much worse than what's already happened; it would be next to impossible for Batman to escape the fact that {{spoiler|he killed Dent}} anyway, and since he's already killed one man he can go ahead and take the heat for the others.

*** Illegal yes. Morally wrong no. Joker drove Harvey insane with the express purpose of causing him to commit murder, which makes him morally accountable for Two-Face's actions. Hell, if the real story got out it would probably make him ''legally'' viable as well. Keeping that in mind blaming him is arguably ''more'' moral than blaming Batman, since all they're doing is altering the facts of the case, not the actual innocence or guilt of the Joker.

** Because the Joker was visibly elsewhere at the time some of Harvey Dent's victims were killed. Its either blame Batman or admit Dent did them.

*** "Random thugs" kill ''Salvatore Maroni''? The ''head of the Gotham mob?'' Ditto for ''two cops'' and ''Harvey Dent''? You can bet dollars to dinars that having no suspects (which is what those boil down to) would inevitably trigger a ''massive'' investigation, which would turn up Harvey's complicity. Batman, meanwhile, is a visible figure who can be accused without any trouble, especially as he ''was'' responsible for Dent's death.

** This Troper always assumed the purpose of accepting the murders was twofold: To remove the blame from Harvey and have him 'die a hero' and to make the criminals fear him again. Remember what Maroni said, "You got rules, the Joker, he ain't got no rules." By accepting the blame for the murders Batman lets the mob know that he no longer has a rule about not killing people, and they will fear him again.

* Why is the [[Batman Gambit]] named after a guy who loses, repeatedly, to the Joker in Dark Knight? Where was this genius who can defeat anyone short of Dr. Doom with a week's worth of planning? Where was the psycopath without a goal? I saw a pretty clear goal to the Joker's actions: Prove that Gotham was irredeemable. Yeah, the actor was good, but the character, not so much. Same with Batman, who obviously does not understand terrorists' psychology. They won't stop until they've achieved a goal. And some of them just get another one after that.

*** Ah, alright. This is my first encounter with Batman, and it wasn't such a great one. [[Hype Backlash]] and all that.

**** [[An Aesop|One method of making something darker is making the hero less effective and/or the villains moreso; it ups the tension]]. Try the animated series if you'd like to see Batman being awesome, as well as a general recommendation.

**** If Batman kills the Joker, then he wins. If Batman doesn't kill the Joker, he continues his plan to grab Lao and blow up the MCU - which means he wins. [[Xanatos Gambit]].

** "Phenomenally stupid guards, perhaps?" No, just Wertz handing him over to the Joker's goons. Which is the whole reason Harvey murdered him later on.

*** I begin to wonder how many buildings and public structures are sitting with explosives in/on/under them, that the Joker rigged up but didn't use. . .

* Why does The Joker get [[Berserk Button|so pissed off]] whenever someone calls him crazy? Given that all other Joker incarnations have [[The Mad Hatter|gleefully accepted the fact]] that they're completely [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Bat-Shit]], why is it such a big deal for him?

** See [[Just Bugs Me/The Dark Knight|The Dark Knight]] page for a reasonable answer.

** He isn't tattooed (you see him without the makeup for a split second after he shoots Gordon, and you can see the sweat making the makeup run in some shots), and washing his face isn't going to help ID him unless someone recognizes his face personally.

** "vast array of weaponry"? The Joker has a few dozen assault rifles and submachineguns, some grappling hooks, and a single rocket-propelled grenade launcher, and a lot of bombs and timers. You can get that at Omar Al-Terrorist's Discount Generic Soviet Arms Shop, and can manufacture most of the explosives, timers, and radios using easily-acquired chemicals, electronic parts, and a basement lab.

*** Which is precisely the point: TDK's Joker is being drawn as a ''terrorist'', and not some lighthearted I-Hate-America ''mujahid'' that the Air Force can go after or whose [[Doomed Hometown]] could even make him sympathetic to some, but a full play at all the terrifying implications of a [[Terrorist Without a Cause]] who does it all [[For the Evulz]]. Ledger!Joker just wants everyone to stop kidding around and see that all their laws, all their faith in each other, means nothing next to the fundamental chaos of the universe, and he wants to have as much extremely violent fun proving his point as possible.

* I've seen the pencil scene in ''Dark Knight'' twice, and both times it looks to me more like Joker shoved the pencil up the guy's nose, but everyone else seems to think it went into one of his eyes. Does anyone else concur?

** It always looks like it's going into his mouth to me.

** It's gotta be the eye. A wooden pencil isn't going to penetrate the throat well enough to kill someone, and Joker would have to bring the head down on a ''really'' specific angle for it to have any ''hope'' of doing damage through the nose. The eye, by contrast, is a big squishy hole in the face leading ''directly'' to the brain.

** Who knows, maybe Joker didn't do anything special with the pencil. He could've just slammed the guy's head on the table while simultaneously making the pencil disappear like a regular magician would.

*** Hell, he even did it when he was alone in the Batcave with Alfred, not even in costume. It's kind of his "I'm working" voice.

** I think he's staying in the habit. It's important not to let yourself slip up and start talking normal. Bad enough you ''look'' like Bruce Wayne. The parts of your face that are visible, anyway.

*** To be fair, he was just starting out, and that particular line was being spoken to someone to whom he previously had a fairly significant emotional connection and who already clearly knew he was Bruce Wayne anyway.

* This is tiny compared to some of the more philosophical complaints, but here we are. Those ballet dancers on the boat? How come they're all C-cupped and up? Have the casting agencies not seen what a [[Real Life]] dancer looks like? large breasts and [[Fan Service]] aside, this really bugged me.

*** You mean like how the national guard did show up, in uniform and with choppers and bomb squads?

*** Most superhero movies up to now operate under the assumption that their hero is the only one in the world. Also, Spidey belongs to a different company entirely. Plus, I'd like to know just how, exactly, tanks would've helped in stopping the Joker. It's not like he's going to war in the streets.

*** Moreover, this is a Gotham City. Any neighbouring cities or federal agencies would just be like "Violence in Gotham, what else is new" and only make a token effort to do anything. It's not said in the movie, but perhaps most politicians at the federal level actually want to see Gotham burn to the ground.

*** There is a whole ''slew'' of tropes dealing with this problem in fiction. [[Superman Stay Out Of Gotham]] because he is an utter [[Game Breaker]] unless the Joker happen to carry some kryptonite.

*** Because it was a crappy gun, as evidenced by the fact that Dent points out ''it is a crappy gun''.

 

** Harvery very clearly puts on his seatbelt as he's saying he's about to shoot the driver. Putting on your seatbelt does a ''lot'' to help you survive in a rollover.

 

** Except it was slightly more complex than "Batman goes ahead and kills Harvey Dent". A physically exhausted Batman tried to save both Harvey and the kid, but didn't have the strength for both. Joker did win, but in the sense that Gotham's white knight was now just as dark as everyone else, and her dark knight is now being pursued for murder. Technically, Batman still hasn't killed anyone.

* How is the Batpod assembled? It shoots right out of the left side of the tumbler, but uses both front tires. Either the tumbler has an extra wheel just for the batpod, or it's a bloody Transformer. And don't get me started on how the guns pop out of nowhere...

* Security tells Fox that Batman broke into R&D. Doesn't Bruce Wayne have the authorization to enter his own R&D department without breaking in?

** No, Security tells Fox that something's happening in R&D. Bruce didn't have to break in, but someone noticed that someone had set up a huge computer system and everything that was using electricity.

** He tied them up and hung them from the side of the building. That was probably the most "non-violent" way he could have stopped them, and despite how it sounds describing it, it was a pretty harmless ordeal.

 

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