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Let's not forget that the Spirit himself says, among other things:
{{quote| '''Hero's Spirit:'''"A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage...You may be destined to become the hero of legend...but your current power would disgrace the proud green of the hero's tunic you wear...Those are only for one who carries the blood of the hero...the one whose spirit is that of the sublime beast...Seek the sound that calls to the spirit of the beast to awaken me again...forgotten ways that do not leave our bloodline...You are already endowed with the strength required of the hero...Do you wish to master this final hidden skill, which can be earned only by the one true hero?...Go and do not falter, my child!"}}
Basically stating that he and Link are of the same bloodline, that they both possess the spirit of the sacred beast, that they are both "'''The''' Hero", and that Link's green tunic is that of "The Hero".
* Further supported by the spirit referring to Link as "my son" after you learn the final technique from him. I do not think that Link is actually his son, but possibly a great grandchild (insert as many greats as needed).
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* Hero of Twilight and Hero of Time is a lot less confusing than Link (1) and Link (2).
* You're all somehow missing the most blatant evidence of all:
{{quote| '''Hero's Spirit:''' "Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those that came after. At last, I have eased my regrets."}}
* "Anybody who [[Where It All Began|comes into the forest]] will be lost. Everybody will become a [[Dem Bones|Stalfos]]. [[Fridge Brilliance|Everybody, Stalfos]]."
** [[Fridge Horror|And the last we've seen so far of the Hero of Time is Link riding on Epona into what is presumably Hyrule's Lost Woods...]]
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== Ganon is Midna's Father ==
Midna's Imp form looks a lot like Ganon from OOT. Midna states that the Twili are descended from prisoners sent to the Twilight Zone, or whatever. Ganon was sent to the Twilight Zone and he is never shown attacking Midna. In the end of the game, he never hurt her, just pretended to, knowing Zelda and Link would turn on Midna. He also didn't grant Zant full powers (which it seems he'd be capable of!), because he suspected he might attempt to usurp her. Ganon is certainly powerful enough to establish himself as leader/king of the Twili, making Midna princess. Of course, for this to work, Midna wouldn't know Ganon is her father.
* They even wear the same [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20021209224222/http://ganonstower.com/tganon.jpg helmet] [https://web.archive.org/web/20120218143132/http://www.thelostwoods.net/image/TP_cg_Midna03.jpg style], and frankly Ganondorf's dialogue to Midna sounded a lot like father-to-teenage-daughter.
* it's also worth noting that Midna's non-cursed form is very different in appearance from other Twili; her features are much more distinctive and attractive. She and Ganon both have red hair and greenish skin.
* Alternatively, Ganondorf could have pulled the charm card to get in the then ruler of the Twili's good graces (and maybe her/his or her daughters bed, as we don't know who was in charge before Midna). This is actually more plausible to this troper, as Ganondorf using his power to become the ruler of the Twili would make him a usurper like Zant, and therefore Midna would not be the true princess.
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* Then why is Link the only person in Ordon with pointed ears?
** The pointed-ears could be a phenotype of a recessive diploid genotype; EE and Ee would produce round ears, while only ee would produce pointed ears; Rusl and Uli could easily be human/Hylian hybrids of Ee, with Link getting ee and Colin getting EE or Ee.
*** That doesn't mesh well with the idea that Humans and Hylians are separate races or the variations we see in Hylian ear length throughout the game. Now if Link were a [[Half -Human Hybrid]] with either Rusl or Uli as the sibling of Link's human parent, it would explain everything.
* This one was [[Jossed]] by the trading cards. Rusl's age is given as 32, and he regards Link as his adopted younger brother. He's not old enough to have a seventeen-year-old son.
** Not here to agree with the theory, but, yes, if he's thirty-two, he is certainly old enough to have a seventeen year old son. Reproduction is possible after puberty starts and he'd be well into it at the age of fifteen.
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== Zant, at one point, lived in the Heian era ==
I base this on observations of the behavior of [[Hikaru no Go|Fujiwara-no-Sai]]: Their... erratic behavior and comparisons of [http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda11/Characters/Zant_Large.png his armor] to [https://web.archive.org/web/20090418161202/http://www.onemanga.com/Hikaru_no_Go/51/omake-02/ Sai's clothes] (pretty sure Zant used that pose at one point), along with [[Nice Hat|amusingly pointy headgear]].
 
== The change between being Bunny!Link in LttP and Wolf!Link in TP is due to the age of the Link being played as. ==
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* So Toon Link would be a bunny too?... Well, Aryll would certainly like that.
** Different personalities. LttP!Link that becomes Bunny!Link is suggested to be a very gentle and sweet soul who picks up the sword because he wants to be a hero and save the princess. TP!Link that becomes Wolf!Link is more family(village) oriented, a non-parent [[Papa Wolf]], and is said by several characters to have a gaze like a beast. The only personality traits that every Link has are valor and [[Hot -Blooded|hot blood]].
 
== Aryll and Ilia are counterparts of each other. ==
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You know, Gohdan the Great Arbiter...
* And/Or the Arbiter's Grounds are the alternate Tower of the Gods.
** Even though the Arbiter's Grounds is likely the distant future of [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|OoT's Spirit Temple]] due to location, and the Tower of the Gods has a much closer alternate timeline parallel in the Temple of Time (similar design choices, controlling statues, close connection to the Master Sword)? I don't think so.
 
== Zant is an evil Wizzrobe, Midna and the Twili are good/lawful neutral Wizzrobes. ==
 
Zant has all the same powers as the Wizzrobe race (magical energy weapon, teleportation, apparent levitation). Midna, too, shares all these similar powers. Even looking at Zant's helmet, with it's weird googly eyes and pointy head, suggests a Wizzrobe. Not enough? Look at the arms of his robe, and notice that they match identically to the Toucan-Sam-Wizzrobes of {{[[Wind Waker}}]].
 
== The Skull kid is actually Saria ==
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It can play Saria's song because it invented it, also note that it forces you to run its little course once to get the Master Sword and again to access the Temple of Time. It isn't just messing with you, she's trying to protect the Master Sword in the first instance and test this Link's skills the other time. Being close to the forest temple and still alive (they never age) it could feasably work out.
* Saria became a sage, living in the Sacred Realm. If anything, the Skull Kid is the one you teach Saria's Song (which could be the same as the Skull Kid in Termina), although I'd say it's a new Skull Kid.
* [[Alternate Timeline|Wrong Timeline.]] The timeline in which Saria became a sage is the ''[[The Legend of Zelda: theThe Wind Waker (Video Game)|The Wind Waker]]'' timeline, as evident by her stainedglass window in ancient Hyrule castle. In the [[Twilight Princess]] timeline, Saria presumably never had to fill in her role as a sage, since Ganondorf never got rid of the original ones (which are those freaky old ghost men with the masks).
* But with the death of the Deku Tree, the Kokiri had nothing to protect them from turning into Stalchildren, except for Saria, whose spirit was strong enough to become a Skull Kid with some vestige of herself left, even if it was just a song and a sense of play. Brr...
** A new Deku Tree sprouted up to replace the old one, though, and it can be seen in the timeline presented in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: theThe Wind Waker (Video Game)|The Wind Waker]]''. There's no reason why the same couldn't have happened in the [[Twilight Princess]] timeline. The only evidence, to my knowledge, that this didn't happen is the absence of the Kokiri, which could be explained by the race becoming extinct or hermetic enough that their existence isn't really common knowledge anymore. Alternately, Link never had to visit the areas of the forest they live in, and so never encountered them.
*** The Deku Tree died before Link ever traveled in time, so presumably the Deku Tree Sprout began growing around then and exists in both timelines.
 
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Eventually, she found a simple young goatherd who, due to a side effect of her latest mischief, had been turned into a blue-eyed wolf. She persuaded him to come along with her so that she could change him back. Together, they stole powerful magic artifacts from the spirits of the land and ventured into the underworld. Once there, Midna used the power she stole to kill Zant and resume her old body and regain control over the underworld.
 
When Hyrule expanded into Ordona, the priests of the Triforce Goddesses tried to ban this legend, since it was about a foreign goddess and seemed to glorify trickery, deceit, and fratricide. However, they had no luck: the Ordonians liked the legend too much. Thus, Hylian scribes tried a new approach to convert the Ordonians while keeping their traditions alive: [[Bowdlerisation]]. Aspects of the Midna Cycle were changed to keep it consistent with the old Legend of Zelda: Midna was the princess of the Twilight Realm, not the underworld/evil realm; the goatherd became Link; [[Hijacked Byby Ganon|Ganondorf was behind Zant]], and so on. Having Midna seal the entrance to the Twilight Realm at the end was purposeful: it was a message to the Ordonians to stop including her in their pantheon.
* If the Midna/Zant ship before the events of TP is correct, then that means that this would be [[Brother -Sister Incest]], too, which is hardly uncommon in mythology. I like.
 
== The Ordonians are descendants of the Kokiri ==
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* No HD. Also, how about not a sequel but a game that relates to it or refers to it?
** How would that not be a sequel? Wind Waker and even Twilight Princess itself are often considered sequels to Ocarina. And it is inevitable that Nintendo will eventually premiere an HD console. It may not be the next one, or even the one after that, but it WILL happen at some point. And when it does, they will use the technology to make an HD Zelda. Of course, knowing Nintendo, they'll subvert everyone's expectations and make the artstyle something we haven't even seen yet; not TP's hyper-realism, not WW's cartoony cel-shading, not even Skyward Sword's halfway approach.
* I believe the above troper wants a sequel for... [[Bishounen|Other]] [[Mr. Fanservice|reasons]]. If I'm right, though, she need not worry; [[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword|Skyward Sword Link]] should be... sufficient. Of course, if it's for the gameplay, then I'm with ya on that. Well, that as well [[Luminescent Blush|* blush* ]]
 
== This Link is a descendant of Malon and OOT/MM!Link ==
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*** Also, given how The Hero's Shade is [[Captain Obvious|clearly more like a Stalfos than a Skull Kid]], it means that OOT Link had time to settle down with Malon.
 
== Ganondorf dies at the end because at that same time Ganondorf summoned the Triforce in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: theThe Wind Waker (Video Game)|The Wind Waker]]''. ==
The reason the Triforce leaves Ganondorf at the end of ''Twilight Princess'' is that he simultaneously summoned it in the [[Alternate Timeline]], ''The Wind Waker''. Thus, Ganondorf was truly ended by his own hand. The King then returns it to the Sacred Realm by wishing his Hyrule away and Link ends Ganondorf in ''The Wind Waker''.
* This actually fits with my theory that: Wind Waker Ganondorf's seal was broken because Twilight Princess's Ganondorf's seal was forcibly broken. And in turn: The seal used in Oot actually sealed both the past and present Ganondorfs away and by effect causing the split timeline.
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== [[Cloudcuckoolander|Princess Agitha]] is either Zelda's little sister or her cousin ==
* Usually, a regular Hylian girl probably wouldn't be allowed to call herself Princess without being part of the royal family, especially when she lives in town with the real Princess. She'd be locked up in jail or an asylum, at least in most real-life monarchies, for falsely declaring herself royalty. But she's not locked up: she can leave and play in Hyrule Field without anyone bugging her. And she certainly has the money to be actual royalty. She's not living in the main castle for fear that they'd have to [[Madwoman in Thethe Attic|lock her up]] (something a nice woman like Zelda wouldn't do to her sister or cousin, who is entirely harmless no matter how weird she is), or that she would interrupt vital matters with her oddness (imagine a Golden Stagbeetle in the soup of a royal guest from a culture where bugs are considered filty, a situation like that could lead to war). But she lives in a smaller castle in town, where she plays around and gives out Rupees without hurting anyone.
** The Hyrule monarchy isn't tyrannical. She's not that old; eight years old, maybe nine. I really don't think they care that a small girl is playing make believe.
 
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Taking an above theory on step further. As for way she's like Maleficent, well they are both the same skin color and have the same laugh and stuff. So way not?
 
== Malo is a cross between [[Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Haré+Guu|Guu]] and [[Family Guy|Stewie]] ==
He's cynical, sarcastic, stoic and straight-faced; That's the Guu side. He's also a diabolical mastermind who detests his own family and uses words he probably shouldn't know at his age; the Stewie side. My guess is that Stewie used his universe-sliding device and ended up in the Jungle. Realizing Guu was a powerful ally, he offered to take her back to his world to help rid himself of Lois and take over the world. Guu agreed and swallowed Stewie to facilitate the crossing over, but since Stewie used the Slider-device from within Guu it malfunctioned, binded itself to the inside of Guu and binded Stewie and Guu to one physical vessil, which held traits of both Guu and Stewie: The one we know as Malo. Since then he, or rather they, have been lying low in Ordon. Guu's side acts like a normal child and rarely speaks to keep suspisions at bay while Stewie's side tries to rebuild his slider device while trying to kill Pergie (Remember the slingshot/sword. She reminds him of Lois.) Opening up Malo mart was all part of the plan: they need money for supplies, right?(might be a reason why Stewie want's to kill Pergie; low allowance) Plus Stewie figures he can use some Rupees as a power source for his supplies. Guu's side may have caused Chudley to go mad and become Malvar. Once they cross over to the Family Guy universe, Stewie will build a device to separate themselves and carry out their plans.
 
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== The Twili were once Sheikah ==
"But wait! Weren't they the Royal Family's Protectors?!" The Sheikah are heavily stated to thrive on dark magic. Who's to say that they didn't get [[Drunk Onon the Dark Side]]? Those that were self controlled enough could resist the lure. Not to mention they guarding this family who have connections to this "Golden Power."
* Some of the markings on the Twili's robes and on the walls you get pulled into are reminiscent of Sheikah designs. At least I thought so.
* Some of they maybe the Dark Interlopers were most likely an organization that included many races
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== The Twilight Realm consists of more than just the Palace. ==
Doesn't it seem odd that there were only 5 Twili left other than Midna and Zant? At that point in the game, you had only fought roughly 2 or 3 dozen Shadow Beasts, and I'd imagine that there would be a larger population of Twili over Lord knows how many years since whenever the Interlopers were banished. Also, Midna refers to her "tribe" multiple times, which seems to indicate a sort-of [[Incredibly Lame Pun|dark ages]]-style feudal governmental system in the Twilight Realm. So where, you might ask, are the rest of the Twili? There are other floating islands off somewhere in that void, which must be traverse through teleportation or slightly more conventional means, such as airships. (I'm thinking along the lines of ''[[Skies of Arcadia (Video Game)|Skies of Arcadia]]'' here.) Also, when she refers to Zant turning ''all'' of the Twili into Shadow Beasts, it could've been hyperbole, meant to emphasize the atrocity of what he was committing, or general unknowingness of the fates of the other tribes of Twili.
* During some of Midna's flashback cutscenes, shots of solid ground were shown in the Twilight Realm, so Link's assault on the Palace of Twilight was basically a targeted strike, much like visiting the Temple of Time's past or going under the sea in ''The Wind Waker''.
 
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== ''Twilight Princess'' is a [[The War On Straw|straw]] [[The War On Straw|game]] for games with good graphics. ==
* The game is probably so [[Love It or Hate It|contested]] because it may have been an attack on games with good graphics but poorly-thought out gameplay or plot. This may be why certain things like the Spinner and Dominion Rod don't serve much purpose than gameplay advancement, and it can also explain Ganondorf's shoehorning into the plot. [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] states that he believes graphics are not something that makes the game itself better, so he probably made this game to show that too much thought into the graphics displaces thought into the gameplay or plot.
* People wanted another ''OoT'', he gave the people what they asked for. As a result, fanbois synthesized an appreciation for the previously loathed ''TWW''. Since it's such a predictably [[Cyclic Trope]], ''SS'' will probably accrue arbitrary hatred starting about a year after release, in direct lockstep with ''TP'' magically becoming [[Vindicated Byby History]], [[JustAll AsAccording Plannedto Plan]].
 
== The Magic Armor is the prototype of Samus's suit ==
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== Renado is a Sheikah. ==
They don't all have to be [[Highly -Visible Ninja|exceptionally obvious]] about it, though the symbol on his robe is rather suspicious.
 
== The Twilight Realm is Australia. ==
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* Link doesn't turn into a wolf. He turns into a Drop Bear.
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{{quote| '''"Light and Shadow are two sides of the same coin, one cannot exist without the other"''}}
The Twilight Realm is obviously the "land down under"
 
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"Our bloodline" being "protagonist", also the wolf form.
 
== [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Navi]] died in (or at the very least never made it out of) the Temple of Time. ==
The logic behind this comes from looking at both TP and OOT. Navi flies off through a window; the same window that leads into the secret entrance to the Temple from TP. You know, the one full of monsters, confusing puzzles, and elaborate death traps.
 
== Twilight Princess is a game installed on an Encom-GridOS computer and has a [[Re BootReBoot|Guardian]] working on the system ==
This specific computer's MCP program, (likely personified by Ganon) views games as wastes of space and computing capability, not to mention the damage and devastation that game-cubes leave on a system when the User wins, and is sending it's Black Guard-level programs, as the Shadow Beasts, in to corrupt the game's programming, and coerce the User to delete the bad files. 
However, the system's Guardian opposes this plan, and takes the form of the Hero's Shade in order to train an in-game Sprite, Link, so that he can defeat the shadow creatures/Black Guard. This explains why Link has something of an actual past in Twilight Princess; he's not meant to be a player character in the game. He's just an NPC ranch hand in the User's eyes, and the way the other Ordonians interact with him reflects this. 
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This all started because the death of certain monsters looks similar to 'derezzing' in Tron, and that a lot of shadow-related artwork in Twilight Princess looks like lines on a circuit board.
 
== The reason ''[[Twilight Princess]]'' Ganondorf's personality is so different from that of ''[[The Legend of Zelda: theThe Wind Waker (Video Game)|Wind Waker]]'' Ganondorf is because of the divergent events of the split timeline. ==
In ''Wind Waker'', Ganondorf is a much more mellow fellow willing to examine the psychological origin of his desire for power, whereas in ''Twilight Princess'', Ganondorf is more flamboyant and straightforwardly megalomaniacal. These divergent personalities can be traced back to what happened in the separate timelines.
 
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== The Triforce of Power was passed on to Zant. ==
Sure, his neck snapped, and we ''saw'' him die, but in Hyrule it's not uncommon to see the dead rise to do evil, now is it? Ganon was clearly evil, yet he was given the Triforce of Power by the Goddesses. Why? No one knows for sure, but I believe it's because he desired it more than any living thing in Hyrule. With Ganon dead, who's the most power-hungry man around? Zant. Not only that, but Zant will seek a new source of magic power with Ganon dead. His new source of power? [[The Legend of Zelda: MajorasMajora's Mask|Majora]]. But this time, Zant will not be a mere puppet, but a backstabbing [[The Starscream|Starscream]]. And after fully usurping Majora's power, Link will need something really big and bad. Honestly, why not?
* Really? I always thought Midna got the Triforce of Power.
* But then Zant wouldn't get to be a proper villain. Besides I can justify my theory by... [[Mr. Bean|Magic.]] [[Unsound Effect|*snort]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7e0777z7AY snort*]
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* This game takes place in the child timeline split. In the adult timeline split, the Hero of Time cleared through the cursed Forest Temple, destroying Phantom Ganon, and allowing a new Deku Sprout to be planted, which we see as a fully grown Deku Tree in Wind Waker, who had protected the Kokiri, and turned them into the Koroks. In the child timeline split, the forest temple was never cleared (Ganondorf could have corrupted the temple at the same time he cursed the Deku Tree, sealed Dodongo Cavern, and made Jabu-Jabu sick, perhaps knowing about the Sages protecting the Triforce/Being a force which could actually stop him, as they did in the defeat timeline split), since Link never needed to, as Ganondorf was already defeated. At that time he went into the Lost Woods searching for Navi, and Majora's Mask happened. After that, something happened to the Hero of Time, whether he became a Stalfos, stayed in Termina, or went back to Hyrule and settled down with, say, Malon. Since the new Deku Sprout was never planted, the Kokiri lost their guardian spirit, and either faded from existence (if they were simply sprites created by the will of the Deku Tree), or were helpless, and eventually died off. We never see the Kokiri, nor the Deku Tree, again in this timeline split, even though the lost woods feature very prominently in Twilight Princess.
 
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