Toy Story 2/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

 

== Would Buzz and Jessie count as a crossover pairing? ==

* If more Woodies were purchased, wouldn't that mean more of them would have been battered and bashed by loads more kids thus sending most of them to junkyards?

** Technically, yes, but it would also mean that there would be some that have been kept boxed.

** This would also explain why Stinky Pete (blatantly the least popular character in the show) is still mint-in-the-box, having not been sold when the show was popular. Remember, his backstory was that he spent years on a store shelf since children didn't want a Stinky Pete doll.

** Owning a small toy store does not make a man rich, he'd make only a little more money that average stockers. If he was an important CEO or something, maybe, but his office was located inside the store. If he was making real money, he wouldn't dress up in stupid costumes to attract customers.

** Well, his shop doesn't seem small (going by ''Toy Story 2'', it looks roughly the same size as a Toys R Us), and he can afford to advertise on TV (I think the advert implied there were multiple Al's Toy Barns, but it's been a while since I saw the film so I may be mistaken). As for the chicken suit... well, maybe he's secretly a furry?

*** In the first movie, we get the line in the Buzz Lightyear ad, "available in all Al's Toy Barn outlets", but since the second film shows a map to the nearest one and is personally run by Al, I'm not sure if that's a subtle retcon or not.

*** The chicken suit was because he was doing a commercial as Al of Al's Toy Barn, and either didn't think of or didn't want to use an actor to play him. He just happens to be [[The Danza]], thanks to using his own name for the toy barn lines. As for him running that particular outlet, I figured that was the central outlet, or was built around the original store or near Al's home and Al didn't want to move to another town, or some other personal or professional reason that Al had for having his office and filming the commercial at that particular outlet.

** Here's what happened: Al wasn't that rich, he was borrowing money for his apartment. The Japan toy deal was to make him rich, but when Jessie, Woody, Bullseye, and the Prospector disappeared, the deal fell through, and the whole thing fell down like a deck of cards.

** He probably owns a fairly small local franchise, maybe a couple of local outlets at most; enough to set him up reasonably comfortably in a nice apartment, but probably not much more than that. He's certainly not wealthy enough to be able to afford to pay the millions that a fifty-sixty year old toy in reasonably mint condition would no doubt cost.

** It's only difficult to find old toys if you're insistent on them being in good condition. Realistically, an obsessive collector like Al would already have multiple Woodys in varying states of repair, for use for spare parts if nothing else. Given the evident popularity of ''Woody's Roundup'' in the 50s, the sheer amount of good-quality merchandise that Al has already collected and the huge number of Woody dolls that would logically have been made, the film's implication that he's SUCH a rare toy that Andy's Woody is the first and only one that Al has ever found isn't believable. Sure, no reason why he can't be the one in the best overall condition, but the ONLY one? Nah. In fact, Pixar could have had some fun with a scene involving Andy's Woody meeting all the shabby, worn-out Woodys Al had found over the years. Or maybe that would have been too macabre.

*** The point isn't that Woody is the ''only'' Woody doll in existence -- it's that the chance of finding a Woody doll in near-mint condition (like our Woody) ''without'' paying through the nose for the privilege is, by now, probably quite difficult; if it wasn't, the museum wouldn't be willing to pay a hefty price to acquire Al's collection (which they're only interested in if it comes with Woody, implying that Woody dolls aren't exactly plentiful compared to the others). And Al probably ''is'' insistent on them being in reasonably good condition -- the mint or near-mint state of all the other toys in his collection would suggest so. Remember, he doesn't want the toys for their collectable or sentimental value, he wants them for their resale value, and their resale value is significantly diminished if they're damaged or have had to be restored from scratch; if only because it would cost more for Al personally to restore them (buying even cheap dolls for spare parts, original materials for restoration, etc would still get pricey over time), meaning he would be more out-of-pocket and ultimately get less from the sale after covering his costs. The museum would also probably pay more for a (near-)mint original than a restoration job cobbled together from bits of battered old originals, no matter how good the restoration was. It's also easier for him to pass off Woody as a mint-original if all that needs doing is a bit of touching up and sowing a popped seam back on than if he has to cobble together a Woody doll from other dolls in varying conditions and states of repair.

** [[Word of God]] states that Woody is a hand-me-down from Andy's Dad to Andy -- as such, it's not hard to suggest that the posters etc were also initially Andy's dad's. Plus, if I recall correctly, most of the western-themed stuff in Andy's bedroom apart from Woody is not so much specifically ''Woody's Roundup'' merchandise as it is generic western / cowboy-themed stuff.

 

* On that note, where exactly did the display Buzz think he was? Where would a large group of Space Rangers be kept in hypersleep, and why would it be on the same planet as Zurg's apparent base?

** Remember the scrapped plot about the "Buzz Lightyear" recall? Perhaps [[My Little Panzer|the recall was due to some odd chemical used in Buzz's production]] that caused him to think he was the "real deal".

* Perhaps it's because he came from a toy-line with a back story, which would act like memories. The other toys, except for Woody, who may have grown out of it due to his old age, probably wouldn't have stories to go with them. Dinosaurs, slinky dogs, Mr. Potatohead, and so on don't have stories, so they didn't have any illusions about what they are, while The Army Men did have a vague "soldiers fighting in a war" story, so they kept a lot of the militant trappings.

* That would make sense with most, but Mr Potato Head did have a story since he appeared in the [[Potato Head Kids]] TV series

* What about Bo Peep? She is based on a nursery rhyme character but it is unknown if she every considered herself to be the "real" Bo Peep.

** Bo Peep isn't strictly speaking a toy. She's a figurine. This Troper's grandmother has dozens of figurines that have appearances similar to storybook characters, but have generic names, like 'princess'. It could be that she calls herself (or Andy calls her) Bo Peep, after the nursery rhyme, but her actual name is something like 'sheperdess'.

 

== If new toys think that they're the real character, how come Woody had never heard of ''Woody's Roundup''? ==

* Maybe ''Roundup'' was off the air for quite a while, or Woody never got access to a TV during its airing times.

* Toys don't come alive until their box is opened, it's possible Woody's box wasn't opened until after the show had gone off the air.

*** He's a puppet from a relatively cheap children's television show from the 1950s; presumably the original carvers just decided that putting a gun would be too tricky or too time consuming and left it out. [[Moral Guardian|Moral Guardians]] might have also objected.

 

* I particularly enjoyed a (sadly since-been-taken-down) fan fic's interpretation of Buzz [[Ho Yay|falling for basically a female version of Woody.]]

* I disagree, Buzz clearly liked Jessie since the end of Toy Story 2. Jessie liking Buzz did seem to come out of nowhere, but maybe Pixar didn't want to have obvious pairings, or for Woody to start developing a harem.

== At the end of ''Toy Story 2'', Al has a new commercial lamenting the loss of the Woody collection. Would be fine, except this was the next day, with the luggage train still outside. This means Al has 12 hours to get to Japan, find out the toys are gone, talk to the museum guys, fly back, unpack, shoot the commercial, edit it, and get it on the air. Wow. ==

* Not to mention that the stockholders of Al's Toy Barn would actually allow a commercial with the owner of the company ''crying his eyes out'' during the take to air. Pixarians actually Lampshade this.

** Plus, it's not exactly as if he's running a massively expensive advertising campaign there. It involves him dressing up in a chicken suit, basically. They probably didn't have time or cash for a lot of reshoots, and he was probably inconsolable at having lost the centrepieces of his toy collection, and thus his chance at making millions of dollars. They were probably forced to run what they had.

* The [[DVD Commentary]] admits this doesn't make sense, they just wanted to show that Al got what he deserved.

** Method acting.

 

** If it was meant to be the same Zurg, they probably didn't want to show Buzz with him to avoid an at-a-glance "Wait, why is Buzz back in the donations box?" reaction, especially if the viewer hasn't seen the second film to get the reference.

*** Viewers who haven't seen the second film won't understand plenty of things. The movie mostly made references to the first one, but obviously people who didn't see ''2'' shouldn't expect to get everything. Especially who Jessie and Bullseye are, and when Andy ever got a hold of any of those Pizza Planet alien toys. Or why {{spoiler|Potato Head calls them "[my] boys!" at the end.}} But I agree with the avoiding confusion about which Buzz is which.

** The main problem with that being the existance of RC, who certainly could ''not'' communicate.

 

* The commerical is likely non canon, [[Never Trust a Trailer|being a commercial and all]]. As for Bullseye, he didn't consume enough cheese to need a digestive system. As to why he would desire to, well, remember, he's has the mentality of an animal. He's not very smart, and saw some cheese on a guy's finger and licked it. Of note is that he only tasted the cheese, while ignoring the cheesy puffs on the ground.

* Also, note that in that commercial, Buzz and Woody never ''eat'' any popcorn. They are only shown holding it and almost putting it close to their mouths. Why they would just be pretending to eat it is anyone's guess, but also, why would they know who Wall-E is? Either the commercial isn't canon, or [[Oh Crap|Buzz's batteries were Buy-N-Large products for a reason...]]

** Space Rangers are [[Crazy Prepared]] for every situation.

*** Taking the above to its ([[Epileptic Trees|il]])logical extreme, a 'Code 546' is Space Ranger lingo for the exact set of circumstances that led to their situation. If Belt-Buzz had been able to fight past his stunned silence, the dialogue would've been something like this:

'''Buzz:''' Uh-huh. }}

The 'Your Majesty' thing is just so Rangers don't have to explain the (real) meanings of their codes to civilians.

* I always assumed that Jessie ''did'' see Stinky Pete turn the TV on, but didn't mention it because she was more loyal to him than she was to Woody. Plus, once Woody accused her, it seemed like she got caught up in the principle of the thing and didn't want to dignify his accusation by shifting the blame.

 

* Isn't it from Madagascar?

** Is it? I'll look into that~ Thank you. XD

* It looks like a huddle one might see in "The Wizard of Oz" movie. Jessie = Dorothy, Woody = Scarecrow, Bullseye = Cowardly Lion, Buzz = Tin Man.

** I'll check that one too (when I can. XD) Thank you~

 

== Why can't Bullseye talk? ==

Jessie presumably was made at the same time as Woody and the TV show (circa 1950s) and Emily was most likely a child in the 60s/70s. That's a good ten year gap or so. Didn't she have anyone before that? Woody too- if he is a hand-me-down from Andy's father, he was probably a child in the 70's/80's, to have a kid born in the 90's (unless there was a considerable age gap between Andy's Mom and Dad). That's a really long time to have no owner, especially for a toy.

 

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