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== Starscream's sparkmutation causes psychological instability ==

 

== All the cars on Earth are actually [[Alien Among Us|Robots in Disguise]]. ==

 

Magnus' toy is a repaint of Prime's with some fancy armor attachments, and why else would Prime entrust the Matrix with someone so obscure?

 

== Ultra Magnus really CAN deal with that now ==

* Like it says on the [[Never Live It Down]] page, when he said that he couldn't deal with the problem, he was trying to land a critically damaged ship. He didn't say it because he didn't care, he said it because he was busy.

** Actually, they were on the run from the Decepticons at that point, the ship actually wasn't damaged much, if at all, unlike the one used by Hot Rod, Kup, and the Dinobots. This was how they were able to trick Galvatron, by separating from the primary part of the ship which was still intact and then letting Galvatron blow it to hell, making him think he'd succeeded in slaying Magnus and destroying the Matrix.

** Magnus' ship was being Targeted directly by the Revenge, with Cyclonus coming about for an attack. Given the first shuttle had lasted all of about a minute, his choice was Pragmatic and certainly saved their lives.

 

Witness the surreal, trippy, back-to-nature "visions" given to Optimus Primal through the Oracle in ''Beast Machines''. These experiences cerainly wouldn't be out of line for something drug-induced, but when Tankorr sent the Diagnostic Drone into the Oracle to show the output he wanted, it was done easily enough, and the drone surely would have detected any halucinogens present. So, with the medium ruled out, the bizarre nature of these visions could very likely stem from the source.

* Question is, what makes a [[Physical God]] high?

** Tainted energon, hacking, or solar bombardment messing with his magnetosphere, which in turn messes with his brain circuits.

 

This one's pretty basic. Transformers generally pick an alt mode by finding something they want to turn into and scanning it. There are Transformers with dragon alt modes. Hence, it's implied that dragons skulk about the universe somewhere.

* Note that there are dragons in certain episodes of the original cartoon. However, the G1 cartoon didn't actually ''happen'' in every continuity, and dragons don't show up elsewhere except as alt-modes, so this counts as another bit of evidence that dragons are somewhere out there in universes where they ''aren't'' explicitly shown to exist, given how many universes have a version of, for example, Starscream. (For the uninitiated, this is a [[Multiple Choice Past|Multiple Choice Continuity]] thing.)

* Either that, or the Transformers saw them in human fiction and decided [[Rule of Cool|they were pretty awesome]].

 

Black Convoy explains that the displaced Binaltech Transformers will eventually be the creators of "great beings" charged with "guarding the safety of multi-dimensional galaxies", which sounds oddly like the storyline of the Unicron Trilogy/Universe/Timelines series. Also, a flashback in ''Cybertron'' shows four Autobots, resembling Optimus Prime, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, and someone else, indicating that the G1 Transformers ''are'' in some way part of the Unicron Trilogy backstory. Finally, both the Unicron Trilogy and ''Robots in Disguise'' make multiple significant uses of a newly-revamped "space-bridge", technology created but abandoned in G1. ''RiD's'' part in it all is simple: it has Predacons in it, a faction that wouldn't have come around until much later in the original timeline, but could've popped up earlier in the new timeline, where ''Beast Wars'' Ravage (in his own Binaltech body with the spark of original Ravage in it) was still wreaking havoc. It also explains why all of the Terrorcons in ''Energon'' are animaloid Transformers apparently lead by a Ravage wannabe.

* This theory does terrible, horrible things to established continuity by trying to put ''RiD'' and the Unicron trilogy in the same timeline. In Japanese continuity, it was ''Car Robots'', which was set in ''G1'' continuity with new characters, and in American continuity, it's off on its own. Then again, that doesn't rule it out. This is ''Transformers''. Established continuity does terrible, horrible things to ''itself''.

 

Despite the contradictory natures of these two origin stories, there's a really simple way of reconciling them: Primus' original creations died out on Cybertron before the Quints came around, and adopted the Quint-built Transformers as surrogates. Evidence of the first part is given in the Generation 2 comic, where it's explained that the very first Transformers had the ability to reproduce through a form of budding, but this process also created the Swarm, which destroyed all metallic life it touched. Officially, Primus put an end to the budding process before the Swarm got too out of control, but the Generation 2 Decepticons still practiced it, meaning that he had somehow failed to completely shut it down. It's possible that, because of this, the Swarm ended up overwhelming and destroying the entire original population of Cybertron, leaving it barren until the Quintessons came and turned it into a factory planet. Then, once the Autobots and Decepticons were developed, Primus saw this as an opportunity to start again and imbued sparks into them, creating the Transformers we all know and love today.

* Simpler explanation: The Quintessons originally built the Transformers, but Primus gave the sparks. Thus, while the Quintessons may have created their bodies, the Transformers consider Primus to be their true creator, as he gave them sentience and self-awareness.

* According to the 3H comic continuity, the Quintessons created the Transformers in an attempt to harness the power of Primus. Their scheme did not entirely according to plan.

 

The comics version of G1 and G2 established that the original Transformers were able to reproduce through a form of budding, but it failed miserably. Also, as established by the above, that ability didn't quite get phased out of their system through the generations. Also, the reformatting technology used by the Transformers to rebuild themselves into a new alternate mode must require a tremendous amount of detail to achieve, especially with the Maximals and Predacons, who can even synthesize flesh and blood. So, it's possible that in some form or another, the Transformers were always capable of reproducing naturally, without a factory, but their overreliance on those factories over the millennia caused them to forget that they could. It also explains why there are female Transformers out there, but are not as prominent in numbers as the male or ambiguous ones. But never fear: with all of Cybertron reformatted as a techno-organic paradise at the end of Beast Machines, it's more than likely that Transformers will have no choice but to relearn the act of natural reproduction to survive as a species (organics, even in a techno-organic form, being notoriously more difficult to properly manufacture in a factory or lab than robotics).

* ...I trust you are enjoying your pornography...and toast...

** Doesn't that result in sentient robo-cancer and successive generations becoming more and more emotionless?

 

The reason common names like Optimus Prime and Megatron are used is because it's a very simplified retelling for kids who are Daniel's age. Hey, it's easier than fitting it into actual G1 continuity...

* Dude, only Japan tries to fit it into G1 continuity. (Don't ask ''how''.)

 

== Unicron is [[Grand Unifying Guesses|Nyarlathotep]]. ==

 

== Astrotrain did not really need to "Jettison some weight." ==

* Given how the Vok actually handled things, it's unlikely that they'll keep the job.

 

We know [http://www.tfwiki.info/wiki/Ratchet_%28Universe%29 Universe Ratchet] isn't G1 Ratchet, and it seems unlikely that he's Animated Ratchet, either, but he had to come from ''somewhere''. The RID Car Brother molds, including X-Brawn (from whom U-Ratchet is recolored), have been noted to have a certain aesthetic similarity to the movie toys. Both Universe Ratchet and Movie Ratchet turn into fire department search and rescue vehicles (not ambulances). M-Ratchet's Voyager toy gives him a small blade for a weapon, while the Fast Action Battler version replaces his right hand with a missile launcher; U-Ratchet has a missile launcher instead of a right hand and a blade for a handheld weapon. U-Ratchet is red and white, which initially made the matchup seem unlikely, until M-Ratchet took a red and white color scheme some time after the movie (the "Rescue Ratchet" toy).

* Isn't it implied Universe Ratchet is Marvel Comics Ratchet though?

== The wisdom of the Matrix cured Galvatron's insanity. ==

After Optimus Prime releases the accumulated wisdom, Galvatron becomes substantially more lucid and respectful. This lucidity and intelligence lasts throughout both "The Rebirth" and ''Headmasters''. Hence, it would appear that his insanity was counteracted by the Matrix's wisdom.

 

== The Quintessons fell into civil war after the destruction of Quintessa. ==

** Primus, meanwhile, laid low until the Quintessons turned his comatose body into a factory, at which point he woke up long enough to give the factory products Sparks, free will, and the desire to revolt. Then he went back to bed.

 

Let's think about this for a second. Prime had Megatron dead in his sights, and no Autobot, no matter how young and brash, would want to keep their leader from gunning down their sworn enemy's leader. Yes, he saw Megatron reach for that gun, but he probably wouldn't have been able to fire it in time -- so why dive in, tackle Megatron, and buy him time?

* Alternately, Hot Rod is genuinely that unobservant.

* Or better yet, Obama is actually [http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2008/11/17/lil-formers-123-time-for-change/ Rodimus Prime].

* More like G1 Ultra Magnus.

 

== The Zodiac is a colossal reservoir of [[Gurren Lagann|Spiral Energy]] ==

* From this, we can surmise that Maccadam is one of the original thirteen.

** Like Nexus Maximus is the Guardian of Rarified Energon and Vector Prime is Guardian of Time, Maccadam is the Guardian of the Well of All Sparks, located deep within the twisting corridors of backrooms behind the bar- the bar is in every universe to ensure that every universe has an afterlife.

 

== The Axiom Nexus stories take place in our own "real" universe ==

* Media is released on dates and in forms that match up so closely to the dimensional identifier as a combination of in-joke and guide for them- there's so much raw data that they had to figure out some sort of date-based rationing system to make it look like they made it up, and using the dimensions that match up to our dates is as good as any.

* If that's true, we're probably screwed- Transtechs are powerful and it seems there's some ever-increasing tension within Axiom Nexus.

* Jossed by the second Allspark Almanac. We're in the Quadwal Cluster, Axiom Nexus is in the Nexus Cluster.

 

Millions of years ago, their civilization achieved such a level of scientific greatness, that they found a way to transcend life and death by transforming their physical bodies into pure energy. The only way to contain that energy and maintain a living consciousness was within a big freakin' mechanical shell.

* I think you have them confused with the [[Go Bots]].

 

== Koji persuaded the Autobots to let Sky-Byte off free. ==

***** While budding is possible, it also results in what basically amounts to a reduction of soul as connection to Primus becomes thinner and more strained. If that's an indication of what non-[[MacGuffin]] reproduction is like in general, any form of Spark creation not involving Primus will inevitably lead to loss of emotion and possibly Swarm creation. Neither of which are in any way desirable.

****** Well, the problem with budding is that, since it involves a single TF being split into two beings, it's no wonder there was a reduction in soul, since the budded TF is pretty much a clone of the original. Whereas sexual-style reproduction would involve a merging of two souls and CNA sources into a new form. As such, I don't think you can necessarily use the negative results of budding as proof that sexual reproduction would be just as negative, as the two are rather different processes. Especially since sparks have certainly been created without Primus involved in ways other than budding (most recent being in the Sunbow continuity Generation 2: Redux when the humans reverse-engineered Vector Sigma's technology into their own devices to create Earth-born Transformers), so that doesn't mean a whole lot.

******** Because the Lithonians aren't explicitly broken off fragments of godsoul in crunchy metal shells, whereas Cybertronians are?

*** So wait... [[Fridge Logic|if Sparks are split off from Primus, does that mean PRIMUS HIMSELF is budding?]] [[Fridge Horror|The would be so many kinds of bad...]]

 

== Transformers and GI Joe are both the same online game being played by hundreds of different people ==

* However the fellow kid who plays as Cobra Commander must stink at the game.

 

 

== What is Jazz is actually blind? ==

 

== "The Great Upgrade" in BW Era is just first step in Cybertronian and Humanity merging as a species ==

* Not only that, but since Unicron is a multiversal singularity and The Transformers equivelant of [[Satan]], every version of Satan in fiction is actually Unicron himself.

** Except that [[Satan|Unicron]] is stronger than [[God|Primus]]. We can't have [[Satan]] being stronger than [[God]], can we?

*** Primus also got the crap beaten out of him on the Astral Plane, where there were no such restrictions, so it would stand to reason that he's the weaker of the two.

**** Though that doesn't change the fact that Primus is basically just an Archangel of the same fundamental class of being as Unicron but of opposite alignment, in which case Satan isn't stronger than God, merely stronger than the dude God sent to keep him from destroying Creation.

* As of the big reveal at the end of season 1 of ''[[Transformers Prime]]'', this seems unlikely, because, well, it'd be small potatoes by comparison.

 

They'll form a [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]] duo with Tarantulas as the insane mad scientist and Sideways as the calm manipulator.

 

== Primus is [[God]] (or an aspect of God). ==

 

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