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Ah, the [[Intercontinuity Crossover]] fight. One of those things that makes you glad to be a fan. And even more glad that you're not ''[[Fan Boy|that]]'' [[Fan Boy|fan]].
It's a recurring obsession of fans, the question of "Who would win in a fight?". Fans will reason it out, argue it out, come up with incredibly thorough theories about how and why and where, and [[My Dad Can Beat Up Your Dad|eventually resort to name-calling]] and [[
Of course, the occasional "[[Genre Blind|smart]]" fan will interject that it's really [[Let's You and Him Fight|not very likely that something would compel the two to fight against each other]], as they're both heroes; or a fan will analyze the matchup in a relatively unbiased way, coming up with a result more steeped in common sense than "one is better than the other"; or someone will point out that the question is impossible to answer objectively since neither character's abilities are defined in-story in any quantifiable manner. Fans like these are usually ignored.
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The geek-centric Wizard Magazine has a section devoted to this called "Who Would Win?" and would describe the stats of the two combatants and then tell the "real" fight that occurs. They then proclaim a winner and have a URL to go to to talk about it. They've done [[The Avengers (Comic Book)|The Avengers]] versus the [[Justice League]] ({{spoiler|[[Justice League]] won}}), Classic Wolverine versus [[Ultimate Marvel|Ultimate]] Wolverine ({{spoiler|Classic Wolverine won}}), and [[Dragonball|Goku]] versus [[Superman (Comic Book)|Superman]] as seen above ({{spoiler|Goku won}}). Anime Insider in America also runs a monthly segment in which two anime or game characters duke it out in fanfic format.
Usually settled with [[Popularity Power]]. See also [[Fan Wank]] and [[Evasive Fight Thread Episode]]. If it's actually canon then it's a [[Massive Multiplayer Crossover]]. Compare [[Character Tiers]]. Contrast [[Story
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'''Four TV series have been based on this concept so far.'''
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* Spoofed in a recurring ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' sketch in which George Wendt leads a cadre of football fans who speculate on the scores of hypothetical games pitting the Chicago Bears against other teams, with the Bears facing increasingly unlikely handicaps, such as being shrunk to the size of midgets. (Hint: Da Bears win.)
** The punch line would often be some sort of fan-geeky paradox the even the "superfans" couldn't resolve. "Who would win, Da Bears or a hurricane?" "What if the Hurricane was named "Ditka"?" "Who would win, Da Bears or Da Bulls?"
*** As a result, for quite some time it was a Usenet in-joke (like an [[Memetic Mutation|Internet Meme]] only ten years earlier) for someone to interject "Ditka!" into any who-would-win thread in the Usenet discussion groups. (Sort of like a lamer version of [[
{{quote| "Who would win, the Death Star or the Enterprise?" "''Ditka!''"}}
* There was an old Disney cartoon in which a little boy and his grandfather tune into a fantasy match between an old-style football team from the days of leather helmets and a modern day style team.
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* One of the odder comic book examples: [http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/315/ Superman vs. Muhammad Ali]
** You don't know the half of it. I provide for your amusement: [http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category=blog&id=29&Itemid=46&limitstart=259 Santa Claus vs THe Incredible Hulk] and [http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=29&Itemid=46&limitstart=260 Santa Claus vs the Iron Man] When you see Cringle pull out a submachine gun on the Man O' Iron, you know that [[A Worldwide Punomenon|Ho-Ho-Homicide]] is about to happen. As for pulling a crowbar out on the Hulk....
* Movies like ''[[Alien (Film)|Alien]] Vs. [[Predator]]'', ''[[King Kong]] vs. [[Godzilla]]'', and ''[[A Nightmare On Elm Street|Freddy]] vs. [[Friday the
** One review of ''Alien vs. Predator'' opened by mentioning the latter two "vs." movies, then, struggling for [[Rule of Three|a third example]], adding, "and... um... ''[[Lassie (TV)|Lassie]] vs. [[Flipper]]''?"
** It should be noted that there were several Aliens vs. Predator games and comics long before the movie was even thought of.
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* ''[[Gundam 00]]'' made a nice set up of sorts in the 00 final: {{spoiler|Ribbons, voiced by Toru Furuya, aka Amuro Ray's seiyu back from 0079, got hold of the RX-78 Gundam and fought Setsuna in his old Exia in a nice but too short fight. Though, Fans of course want to see a lot of Gundamverse [[Match Ups]], as Char vs [[Fan Nickname|Rent-a-Char]][[Gundam Wing|Zechs]] or plot armor wrecking Ali al Saarchez against immortal Kira Yamato and so on. Gladly there are occasional [[Super Robot Wars]] games and Gundam specials out.}}
* Pretty much the premise of ''[[Heroscape]]''. So far, the only copyrighted characters they have managed to aquire are from the Marvel Universe, but they've got enough obvious [[Expy|expies]] to make up for it.
* 1906: ''[[
** In actuality, Lupin was invented in the first place as a sort of French Sherlock Holmes [[Expy]] for a French imitation of the English magazine in which Holmes stories appeared. Leblanc introduced the "real" Sherlock Holmes and Watson in the spirit of the traditional English/French rivalry, mainly for the purpose of [[Take That|making them out to be doddering fools]]. (For instance, the renamed Watson, "Dr. Wilson", invariably gets badly injured every time he appears on-screen.) "Sholmes" appears in a number of Lupin stories, up to ''The Hollow Needle'' {{spoiler|in which he accidentally and tragically shoots Lupin's fiancee}}.
** As both characters have fallen in the public domain now, Frogware released 2007 video-game ''Sherlock Holmes versus Arsène Lupin'', known in some countries as ''Sherlock Holmes: Nemesis''. Also, some recent translations of the original Lupin novels take the liberty of restoring Holmes's real name.
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* [http://www.electricferret.com/fights/ The Comic Book Universe Battles], which started in 1997 as a sub-section of a ''[[Xena: Warrior Princess]]'' fan's Callisto fansite and eventually grew into something all its own.
* The now-defunct [http://www.grudge-match.com/ WWWF: Grudge Match], though the archives are still there, listing the more than 200 fights the site has run.
* ''[[
** And don't forget the Flash animations featuring matchups between the webcomic's characters (removed from the official website, but still available [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/search/author/Meddros here].
** Also, once the comic spent [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/16/episode-342-hypothetically-speaking/ two] [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2003/10/18/episode-343-check-mate/ installments] with RM and Black Mage discussing on who'd win, [[Batman]] or [[Doctor Doom]], with BM finishing the argument with "Doom's machinations are such that even if Batman wins, [[Xanatos Gambit|his victory will somehow further Doom's villainous schemes]]". [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2005/08/27/episode-591-hypothetically-speaking-again/ Another] had the two discussing on Bullseye vs. Green Arrow, with BM arguing against [[Improbable Aiming Skills|precisely shooting several arrows at once]] -- until he [[Twang Hello|received it]] himself.
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* "Hitler continued laughing, then finally said 'Goku! You came here expecting to find a madman, but instead, you found a GOD!' Hitler had become a Super Saiyan." How's that for a [[Crack Fic]]-style showdown? See it [http://smallcave.net/goferchan/afgoku01.html right] [http://smallcave.net/goferchan/afgoku02.html here] in all its Not Safe For Sanity glory. By the way, it also [[Shipping|ships]] Goku x Anne Frank.
* Ultimate Showdown tournaments are a [http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Most_Powerful_Character_Contest common occurrence] on [[Game FAQs|GameFAQs]]' "Board 8", allowing users to debate to the most extremely geekish limits possible about who'd win. The arguing can lead to some, hmmmm, very curious victories (Apparently, [[The Mask (Film)|The Mask]] can just barely beat [[Dragonball|Broly]] with cartoon physics, the most powerful ''[[Darkstalkers (Video Game)|Darkstalkers]]'' can win left and right merely based on their '''vague backstories''' alone, Voldemort can upset [[Lyrical Nanoha|Nanoha]]'s constant nuking of areas and people and [[Doctor Who (TV)|the Doctor]] can defeat the [[Flash]] with, uhhh, timey wimey stuff. Or prep time. Or whatever).
* History nerds are somewhat fond of debating Alexander the Great vs [[Genghis Khan]]. This battle actually happens in [[Arthur C. Clarke (Creator)]] and Stephen Baxter's collabaorative novel, ''Time's Eye''.
* [http://www.rpgdl.com/ The RPG Duelling League] is a site dedicating to deciding which [[Video Game]] RPG characters would win in a fight. The site is organized into 6 week long elimination tournaments (refered to as seasons) with four different [[Character Tiers]] (Light, Middle, Heavy, and Godlike). The voters who decide who wins are also ''strongly'' encouraged '''NOT''' to vote according to [[Popularity Power|popularity]] or [[Gameplay and Story Segregation|plot powers]], but rather comparative in-battle capabilities and performance.
* Whosthebitch.com was the HQ for a fun and easy game; simply match any two given personalities (or even inanimate objects) and answer the question, "Who's the bitch?" Basically pick which one would be the 'bottom' in a relationship between the two, and justify your answer with an explanation.
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* ''[[Epic Rap Battles of History]]'' does this, but with rapping.
* ''[[The Brave and The Bold The Lost Issues]]'' often sets [[Batman]] or [[Fantastic Four|The Thing]] against various characters.
* [[
* [http://www.factpile.com/ Factpile] mostly runs on this trope. It has branched out to include other topics, but is still mostly battles between fictional characters. It has also determined the outcome of the page image {{spoiler|Superman easily wins.}}
* [[Make Your Move]] applies this to [[Super Smash Bros]] with movesets for everything from King K. Rool to Socrates.
* Screwattack's ''[[Death Battle]]'' sets characters up against each other as well, from [[Star Wars|Boba Fett]] vs. [[Metroid|Samus Aran]] to [[Final Fight|Mike Haggar]] vs. [[Street Fighter|Zangief]] to [[Transformers|Starscream]] vs. [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|Rainbow Dash]]. Notably not decided by votes, but by a look at each side's actual capabilities and extrapolating based on that.
* Dark Horse Comics asked who would win; [[The Adventures of Dr. McNinja (Webcomic)|Dr McNinja]], or [[Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|Saxton Hale]]? At the time of this edit, votes are [http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/686/dark-horse-vs-dr-mcninja-vs-saxton-hale still being accepted]. Each character asked fans to vote for them on their [http://drmcninja.com/ respective] [http://www.teamfortress.com/ websites].
* This is what the [[Outskirts Battle Dome]] is for.
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