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* [[Dying Moment of Awesome]]: You can debate endlessly about whether or not killing Peter was a good idea but you can't say that they didn't have him go down facing off against the Sinister Six by himself with a bullet in his gut and fading fast.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]:
** Gwen Stacy. So much so they eventually brought her back.
** Jessica Drew is easily one of these, having minimal screen-time but a huge fanbase.
** Kong. He's become popular enough to become a [[Canon Immigrant]] in [[The Spectacular Spider-Man]].
* [[Fan -Preferred Couple]]: Peter/Kitty has gained a large following, ''especially'' after they were broken up. Kitty's [[Base Breaker]] status makes this a YMMV situation, though.
* [[Growing the Beard]]: For ''Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man'' it is issue 9 and 10.
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]:
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** At July 2005's ''San Diego Comic Con'', in response to the question the Ultimate & 616 universes crossing over, [[Joe Quesada]] stated that he'd rather close down one universe than have them cross over because it meant they were officially out of ideas. Fast forward to 2012, and Marvel announced that they will be having 616!Peter crossing over to the Ultimate universe to meet Miles.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:
** This one needs explanation. The ''Marvel Database'' (that is, [[The Wiki Rule|the Marvel wiki]]) is usually pretty damn reliable, so you can take the fact that the [[Ultimate Marvel]] Universe and its version from [[Ultimate Spider -Man (Videovideo Gamegame)|the videogame]] aren't the same universe as borderline [[Word of God]] (which got confirmed anyway, as the [[Ultimate Spider -Man]] videogame fell into [[Canon Dis ContinuityDiscontinuity]]). Flash-forward to the latest events and to Peter's death. Once you think about it, you realise that thanks to the videogame version of the [[Ultimate Spider -Man]] we still have an alive-and-well Ultimate Peter Parker.
** A small detail, but in the 2004 "Hollywood" arc, when Peter fights Doc Ock on the set of a new Spider-Man movie, a black stuntman in a Spidey outfit hits Doc Ock with a camera. When he tells Spidey that he's just a stuntman, not the actor playing him, Peter says "I thought I got revamped there for a second..."
* [[Like You Would Really Do It]]: Averted HARD, considering the one involved is ''the title character''.
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* [[The Scrappy]]:
** [[Rule of Three|Again]], Ultimate Deadpool. It's not that hard to see why people disliked the character.
*** Not everyone though, since some were OK with it since Ultimate characters are suppose to be different to their mainstream counterpart.
*** This might take a little explanation, but the mainline Deadpool is a fairly popular character, mostly because of a sense of humor and lightheartedness. Ultimate Deadpool, by comparison, is thought of as a generic villain who hates mutants. The two versions share very little in common (until his re-tool courtesy of ''[[Spider -Man: Shattered Dimensions]]'', although it is probably non-canon).
* [[Take That, Scrappy!]]: The first time Miles comes across any of Peter's [[True Companions]] in costume, he's promptly kicked in the head and asked "Who the [[Precision F-Strike]] do you think you are?". Bonus points for it coming from Spider-Woman, or if you prefer {{spoiler|Peter's [[Gender Flip|gender flipped]] clone}}.
* [[Tear Jerker]]: The first ''Fallout'' issue is this for pretty much every page.
* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]:
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* [[What an Idiot!]]:
** Carol Danvers qualifies at the start of ''The Death of Spider-Man'' - 6 dangerous superpowered criminals break out of the Triskelion, [[Rogues Gallery|all of whom are enemies of Spider-Man]], and the last time [[Five-Bad Band|five of the six teamed up]], it required the Ultimates to stop them. So she ''not only'' sends the Ultimates off to fight Nick Fury's Avengers to cover her own ass, but she ''doesn't even tell Spider-Man that six of his enemies have all escaped from incarceration'', all so that she can keep the breakout a secret. And the kicker? Because she inadvertently caused the death of Spider-Man, this wound up being the straw that broke the camel's back and got her fired from her position as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.
*** Though how much of that is due to [[Magnificent Bastard|Nick Fury's]] planning is very much debatable. {{spoiler|At least 2 characters have voiced the idea that he directly caused the events leading up to Spidey's death. Though to be fair neither is entirely neutral in the matter. One being MJ and the other being Fury's ex wife Black Widow 2}}.
* [[The Woobie]]:
** Shadowcat in "Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man".
** And, as always, Peter. By the end of the Ultimate Clone Saga arc, everyone wanted to give that kid a hug.
** Mary-Jane Watson on a regular basis, especially with her crazy father interfering with her and Peter's relationship in "Cats and Queens"
 
=== ''[[Ultimate Spider-Man (Animationanimation)|Ultimate Spider-Man]]'', the animated series ===
 
* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]:
** The animated adaptation was received negatively at first for [[Replacement Scrappy|replacing]] ''[[The Spectacular Spider -Man (Animation)|The Spectacular Spider Man]]''... until it was announced that [[Paul Dini]], of the the [[DCAU]], and Man of Action, the studio behind ''[[Ben 10 (Animation)|Ben 10]]'', would be working on the stories for the show, with Bendis himself supervising.
** The cartoon got another bit of this when J.K. Simmons, who played J. Jonah Jameson in the [[Spider-Man (Filmfilm)|Raimi movies]] [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303231252/http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/03/18/j-k-simmons-confirms-hell-voice-jjj-in-ultimate-spider-man/ confirmed he's vocally reprising the role for the cartoon.]
** Kevin Manthei being announced as the one doing the shows music had a similar reaction (His other work include ''[[Generator Rex (Animation)|Generator Rex]]'', the ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' game, and ''Justice League: The New Frontier'', to name a few).
** The announcement that [[Marvel Cinematic Universe|Agent]] [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Phil Coulson]] would be a recurring character; voiced (much like the J.K. Simmons example above) by none other than his live-action actor, Clark Gregg.
** The fact that this is the first Spider-Man cartoon since the 1990s to allow crossovers with other Marvel franchises led to this.
** With the first 6 episodes' plots announced, fans are treated to the knowledge that Spidey and his new amazing friends will be encountering Dr. Doom, Venom, Iron Man, and the first animated appearance of Taskmaster.
** Marvel released preview images on their website which feature the silhouettes of Taskmaster, Dr. Octopus, the Hulk, Venom/Iron Man (there's still debates on the identity of that image) and Wolverine.
* [[Broken Base]]: However, still it is a ''very'' divisive series within the fandom.
** The humor of the series. For some fans it's funny and clever. For another fans it's just stupid.
** Drake Bell as Spidey is also rather divisive. Some fans think he's great for the role and some are critical of him.
** With some Spec fans (though not all), it seems to be case of [[Mis-blamedMisblamed]], even though [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14223 Greg Weisman himself pointed out it wasn't Marvel's or this shows fault Spec ended]. On the other hand, many Spec fans know that USM didn't get the show cancelled, but the perceived low quality of the series definitely adds more insult to injury as far as they're concerned.
** Some fans aren't too happy that Venom's backstory is based on his ''[[Marvel Adventures]]'' counterpart (sentient suit created by one of Spidey's enemies) rather than the alien symbiote from the mainstream Marvel universe. And [[It Got Worse]] when it was revealed {{spoiler|Harry Osborn was his host instead of Eddie Brock.}}
** And then rumors began to circulate about how they might reboot ''[[The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Animation)|Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes]]'' in Ultimate Spider-Man's image, and EMH's fans really got squeamish and angry at the show.
** The point of Spider-Man having a team has also been questioned, some fans feeling he is a better hero when alone and that the series shouldn't be called "Spider-Man" if it's about him in a team (despite this [[Spider -Man and His Amazing Friends (Animation)|not being the first case like this.]])
** Similarly, some fans are annoyed it takes the name "Ultimate Spider-Man" despite having nothing to do with the comic of the same name.
* [[Contested Sequel]]: After the cancellation of ''[[The Spectacular Spider -Man (Animation)|The Spectacular Spider Man]]'', this series was doomed from the start to become this. It goes beyond what was expected however; the more comical approach hasn't been really well-received by most fans, and while some fans still like it, the show has become one of the least well-received show in all Marvel Animation.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: Some people have decided to not watch the show and declare it the "Worst Cartoon Ever" because Spider-Man doesn't have red on the back of his arms. I'm completely serious.
** Jeph Loeb's Facebook page got so many [https://web.archive.org/web/20120608222017/http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/marveltv/news/?a=59135#wrGzVY7vpWumVxl4.01 complaints about this show], either Loeb or Marvel deleted his page. ''Wow.''
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Iron Fist is notable for being one of the few main characters to not be [[The Scrappy]]. His cool, likable personnality does the rest.
** Doctor Octopus has become one for being a truly creepy villain in contrast with most of the other villains, who are treated as comical<ref>On the other hand, whereas minor villains and mooks are treated as comical - although very competents and dangerous in many cases- , the main villains like Norman Osborn, Doctor Octopus, Doctor Doom and Loki are played ''dead serious''</ref>.
** Taskmaster, due to being a truly menacing and [[Badass]] bad guy.
** And so far, episodes involving other key heroes such as The [[Incredible Hulk (Comic Book)|Incredible Hulk]] or [[Iron Man (Comic Book)|Iron Man]] got good reaction as well due to being faithful to their most well-known incarnation.
** Also, for those [[Base Breaker|not mad about the change]] Harry Osborn is pretty popular since the idea of ''him'' being {{spoiler|Venom}} is a different and interesting twist.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: [[Doctor Doom]]. When Spider-Man and his team attempted to capture him by attacking Latveria, {{spoiler|he sent a Doombot to fight them, and had said Doombot captured by them so he could have it infiltrating the Helicarrier and destroying it from the inside; and even after they successfully defeated the Doombot, he ''still'' gets something by analyzing their weakness in the process, thus preparing for later fights with them.}}
* [[Nightmare Fuel]]: Doctor Octopus. Even though he has yet to be shown in action, the few gaps we get of him reveal creepy, almost zombie-like features, as well as a [[Creepy Monotone]] voice.
** When Peter considers telling Harry he's Spider-Man, the possible consequences of his secret getting out (even ones that aren't as bad as the others) flash by in a terrifying thought-sequence. No wonder Peter's protective of his identity if ''that's'' what he thinks might happen.
* [[Tainted Byby the Preview]]: The more looks people got at the show's sense of humor, the more they worried about the possibility that the show wouldn't prove worth the wait.
* [[The Scrappy]]: Most of the main cast, with the exception of Iron Fist; Nova and White Tiger are especially criticized for being this, the former for his hot-headed, abrasive personnality and the latter for her nagging attitude toward Spider-Man. To an extent, even Spider-Man himself suffers this, mostly because his sense of humor seems closer to [[Deadpool]]'s than that of the comic Spidey.
* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character]]: So far, Spider-Man's teammates are this; all of them are minor superheroes from the comic who had never appeared in animated adaptation when the series started, and two of them (Power Man and Iron Fist) are quite popular in the comic fanbase. This could have been a great way to introduce those characters to a younger audience as well as their universe. But the series doesn't bother with exploring their background and origins, instead barely mentionning it, and their [[Character Development]] doesn't go beyond serving as Spider-Man's annoying sidekicks. As a result, they end up for most becoming a bunch of [[The Scrappy|Scrappies]] in the eyes of most fans.
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