Umineko: When They Cry/WMG/Open One: Difference between revisions

== Meta-Battler is, himself, a witch, or, "madan," to make it gender appropriate ==

Many seem to be convinced at this point that meta-Battler isn't the same person as Battler. Similarly, Bernkastel is not the same person as Furude Rika, Evatrice is not the same person as Eva, and Angetrice isn't the same person as Ange. The unifying thing about those three witches is that they were born out of the characters they represent's determination to achieve something or another against their fate. So if meta-Battler and Battler aren't the same, then what's the point of meta-Battler? Is he not an embodiment of Battler's own determination to change his own fate of having himself and his family killed by a witch (Whether you focus on his denial of witches, which negates the second part, or think he's having some sort of breakdown, which negates the first part, that goal should encompass both)? In which case, even though he lacks a super-fancy outfit, would that not likely make him a witch in his own right?<br />So why can't he use magic too? Because magic is powered by not just determination, but faith and belief as well. Battler is automatically denying himself the use of magic by denying the existence of witches in his duel with Beatrice. In order to be able to use the magic to change his fate, Battler will ultimately have to accept their existence, though not necessarily their involvement in the murders that have taken place. Until then, he will be dueling both Beatrice and fate with one figurative hand tied behind his back.

 

== In the [[Adaptation Decay|anime]], Lambdadelta is pretending to be Maria. ==

 

And as a further corollary, if this is true it should be possible to guess who the human culprit is in a particular chapter by seeing whose dialogue best matches up with Beatrice. For example, in Episode 5, Hideyoshi brings up the Three Kingdoms, a motif repeatedly taken up again later by Beatrice and her minions...

** In support of this, dialogue in later Episodes hints at the culprit in a previous one. For instance, when MARIA tortured Rosa, she (Rosa, that is) started sounding very much like Beatrice in Turn/the beginning of Banquet. My guess is that Rosa was the "Mastermind" of Turn, and started in Banquet, but had a change of heart/admitted killing the servants to Eva, who killed her, and of course just eliminated Maria as a witness.

*** "Beginning of Banquet" suggests that Beatrice doesn't represent her at the end of Banquet, though. So does Beato switch who she represents there, or does she represent no one after the beginning? Or is it some third option?

* I have a similar idea, but with a difference: In order of rank, it suddenly becomes much clearer. Lucifer tries to assert herself as the oldest, but ends up tormented by the younger ones (That sure sucks, eh, KRAUSS?). Leviathan of Envy (Do I really need to spell it out?) Satan of Wrath (I think it was said Rudolf had a temper...) Belphegor of Sloth (Rosa is seen as a little bit "easygoing" with regards to family affairs...) Mammon of Greed (George? A bit odd, but it works. The more likely suspect would be Battler, since Ange gets along so well with Mammon) Beelzebub of Gluttony (Jessica, since maybe wanting Kanon is asking for too much), and Asmodeus of Lust (Maria, possibly. Or Ange? Thinking about the "Kid" stakes, maybe a few of them share Stake space...).

** In that case, Jessica might be Lust, not Gluttony. Gluttony usually has to do with over-consumption, rather than too much desire. Desire tends to fall into Lust and Envy. Not sure if that helps. Hope so.

 

== We see things the way Beatrice wants us to see them. ==

* So if it takes Ryukishi five years to finish a series, and he's going to do four or eight of them, that means the franchise will continue for twenty to forty years?

** Perhaps it'd be easier if we went according to the numbers. Higurashi is When They Cry, and Kai is 2. That'd make Umineko 3 and Chiru 4. Does it still work this way?

 

== Beatrice is the personification of Maria's rose ==

 

== Amakusa shot Kasumi Sumadera and her men ==

* Or he shot Ange on purpose.

** [[EP 6]]'s Tea Party has Amakusa talking on the phone with Okonogi, and a rather strong implication that Amakusa has got a sniper rifle, and has been ordered to finish off Kasumi and her goons at Rokkenjima...AND kill Ange as her attitude makes her a liability. (Puzzlingly, Okonogi says it's "For world peace".)

 

== Bern and Lambda used to, before becoming witches, be part of the older Ushiromiya lineage. ==

* I don't buy it. Bernkastel was originally an aspect of Rika Furude, and I doubt the two families are linked. They don't care about anyone in the game, they're just bored.

** If I might take it a step further and present a theory of my own, it's because Lambdadelta has a stake in the game, and granted Beatrice her power of "certainty" to win. However, Battler's appearance was an unexpected and unwanted variable, yet it's too late to call off the game and Beatrice can't go against Lambdadelta unless she wants her witchy sponsor to abandon her, which she believes (at first) will reduce her to a mere human. The truth is, of course, that she doesn't need the acknowledgement in the first place, but she has forgotten that, and Lambdadelta is using her as a plaything to be discarded at her leisure. Also, Frederica Bernkastel was sorely lacking empathy or real compassion back in [[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni|Higurashi]], so if it's the same person, she's been a sore loser for some time now.