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[[File:cielchild_7019cielchild 7019.jpg|link=Black Butler|frame|Ciel Phantomhive, [[Cheerful Child|child...]]]]
 
[[File:cielteen_5597cielteen 5597.jpg|link=Black Butler|frame|...And Ciel Phantomhive, [[Break the Cutie|adolescent.]]]]
 
 
{{quote|''"The boy that you loved is the Man that You Fear..."''|'''[[Marilyn Manson]]''', "Man That You Fear"}}
 
[['''Used to Be a Sweet Kid]]''' applies when a villain or other dark and troubled/troubling character was not so as a child: the trope name also tends to appear as a [[Stock Phrase]] in these cases. Works, and audiences, may vary considerably as to what point they consider a character to be past the adolescent stage here, but post-adolescents in general need not apply.
 
Aversions will usually be notable here, given expectations that [[Children Are Innocent]], or that there's at least some [[Ambiguous Innocence]] even when [[Kids Are Cruel]], so people will tend to assume a [[Start of Darkness]] ''must'' have happened, and that there ''will'' be a [[Freudian Excuse]] that will explain (if not excuse) all. By extension, this trope frequently applies through [[Subverted Trope|subversion]], [[Inverted Trope|inversion]] etc. where an [[Enfant Terrible]], [[Creepy Child]], or [[Axe Crazy]] junior initially manages to get past everyone's radar but is actually a little horror from the start. ("And he ''seemed'' like such a nice kid"). Often, it is not clear which a character fits under, which in turn often leads to a [[Flame War]], especially if the character is also a [[Draco in Leather Pants]].
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Generally, the trope tends to be reserved for villains near the [[Big Bad]] end of the villain spectrum, but can also be played for [[What Measure Is a Mook?]]. Also, while this is most commonly a [[Villains|villain trope]], it can apply to characters who are not so much aligned with evil as [[Troubled but Cute|troubled]], [[Grumpy Bear|bitter]] and [[Broken Bird|twisted]], [[Knight in Sour Armour|cynical]], [[Jerkass|jerky]], [[Despair Event Horizon|despairing]], [[Emotionless Girl|lacking]] in [[The Stoic|emotions]] or differently sane. Or an [[Anti-Hero]]. Or just going through [[Teens Are Monsters|puberty]]. (In the latter case, expect the parents to invoke the trope name.)
 
When played straight, this trope tends towards [[Rousseau Was Right]], though if other villains and darksiders in the same work do not fall under the [['''Used to Be a Sweet Kid]]''' trope, Rousseau may have only a partial victory, and the trope is sometimes used as the exception that proves the rule in [[Hobbes Was Right]] or [[Humans Are Bastards]] scenarios. Also frequently used, straight or otherwise, to make more or less [[Anvilicious]] points about free will, destiny, individual responsibility, or the moral version of [[Failure Is the Only Option]].
 
Handled well, this trope can really add depth and complexity: handled badly, especially by combination with a poorly executed [[Freudian Excuse]], it tends to cause [[Badass Decay]] and [[Villain Decay]].
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** Don't forget Orochimaru. He was one of the Legendary Sannin, and he showed great promise as the next Hokage. He was a kind and helpful orphan, but then he got the idea that he could either bring his dead parents back or extend his own lifespan enough to meet them again when they got reincarnated, if he got more powerful. And he started [[Evilutionary Biologist|doing questionable experiments]], and becoming a [[Complete Monster]], to the point of ''literally'' becoming a demon.
** Itachi himself was an adorable boy who genuinely loved his brother and his village. After shit hits the fan, he seems like the biggest [[Jerkass]] in history, until we find out why he is how he is. He had [[War Is Hell|watched countless people die in a bloody world war]], and [[It Got Worse|it gets worse after that.]]<ref>[[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|Nice job breaking your precious brother, kid:]] now he's worse than he has ever been, and it's '''YOUR''' fault. [[Draco in Leather Pants|Good thing the fangirls favor you]].</ref>
** What about Sasori? [http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/A/AK/AKA/AKATSUKIFREAK123/1249860145_5341_full.jpeg LOOK at this boy!]. His parents died when he was very young and his grandmother kept lying to him that they were away on a mission. He grew so alone from the lack of love from his mother and father that--whenthat—when Chiyo taught him the art of puppets--hispuppets—his first two creations were that of his Mom and Dad. But they could never replace the kindness, love, and affection that ''human parents'' could provide, which lead to the development of his twisted views on immortality, the sanctity of life, and how it was so fleeting and needed to be preserved... Cold, emotionless, stoic, and impatient with wasting time. Gee, thanks Sand Village!
** {{spoiler|The Kyuubi, erm, Kurama of all people...the other Bijuu too. We see them all as young beasts with the Sage of Six Paths shortly before his death, and Kurama is ''tearing up'' at the imminent loss of the man. It turns out that countless years of being treated as monsters led them to become what they are, but they've now found a human they can believe in: Naruto.}}
** Konan. She used to be a sweet little girl, then [[Break the Cutie|things]] happened.
** And as of chapter 582, if his flashback is to be believed, {{spoiler|Kabuto.}}
* Teru Mikami of ''[[Death Note]]'' was a really sweet kid who would always defend the weak and was a [[Bully Hunter]]. As he got older, the fact that most people seemed to tolerate bullying gave him an intense sense of [[Black and White Morality]] which was strengthened when some of his bullies ended up being killed in an accident. Once he got his hands on the titular [[Artifact of Doom]], he ended up as the [[Ax Crazy|craziest]] person in a series filled with some fairly unstable people.
** To a degree, also Misa Amane. Had her parents not been killed by a burglar when she was a little girl, she would've possibly grown into the same beautiful and popular [[Idol Singer]] she was in canon... but ''without'' the [[Ax Crazy]] [[:Category:Yandere (disambiguation)|Yandereness]].
** [[Villain Protagonist|Light]]. Nice, normal family, top of his class, popular with other students... and he's killed God knows how many people by the end of the second episode.
*** Light and Misa were distinctly ''never'' normal; they have emotional impairments of some kind. It's possible Misa developed her psychopathic tendencies somewhere between her parents' deaths and meeting Rem, given she's had actual trauma and a showbiz career to mess with her head, but Light is pretty...empty.
*** Or not--thenot—the fact that he dropped tennis because it was pointless and several other moments indicate that, even if he was always broken inside, it had been getting worse before he found the titular [[Artifact of Doom]].
*** When Light {{spoiler|temporarily forgets about the Death Note}}, he returns to being a nice, morally sound person. In other words, he was just a '''REALLY''' bad case of [[With Great Power Comes Great Insanity]].
* Lucy from ''[[Elfen Lied]]'', who started out as a kind-hearted but shy little girl, but through enough [[All of the Other Reindeer|tor]][[Kids Are Cruel|ment]], [[Dark Magical Girl|crippling loneliness]], and a psychotic inner voice became an [[Ax Crazy]] mass murderer bent on [[Kill All Humans|killing all humans]].
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* Lampshaded in ''[[Lucky Star]]'', when Konata and Kagami talk about how when criminals are arrested in real life and people who knew them are interviewed, they will always say things to the effect of, "he wasn't a bad kid." Kagami then says that if Konata ever gets caught, she'll tell the media that she had "always figured she'd do something like that".
* Most of the [[Project ARMS|Egrigori]] experimental children were like this, before whatever processes they were put through were completed. The Keiths mostly became bloodthirsty psychopaths who had no problem killing anyone they had to and {{spoiler|Alice developed a dark side to her previously sweet personality after being shot and taken over by an AI}}. The fact that the kids were treated terribly and given almost no positive human contact could explain a lot ({{spoiler|Keith Green genuinely grew to love Katsumi because she was the first person who was nice to him.}})
* Mao from ''[[Code Geass]]'' was a sweet, innocent little boy until {{spoiler|[[Jerkass Woobie|C.C.]] gave him his Geass power}}. After {{spoiler|[[What an Idiot!|she abandoned him in the hope of making him not rely on her]]}} it ultimately [[Break the Cutie|broke him completely]] and [[Unhappy Medium|drove him insane]], so he turned into a [[Psychopathic Manchild]] with no grip on reality who [[Mind Rape|Mind Rapes]]s the local [[The Messiah|Messiah]] and the [[Knight in Shining Armor]] and kidnaps the [[Ill Girl]]... To say that his opponent, the [[Ill Girl]]'s [[Dark Messiah]], was ''pissed off'' at him, is an understatement.
** This is a prominent theme in Code Geass, while some characters like Rolo are proven to always have been killing machines since childhood (and often, like in Rolo's case, thanks to the brutal training and brainwashing coming from the {{spoiler|Geass Cult}}), loads of characters started out like sweet kids even up to the Emperor but also including, C.C., Suzaku, possibly Cornelia and Clovis, Karen and Lelouch Lamperouge.
* Lucia, from ''[[Rave Master]]''. He goes from being a sweet little 6 year old who hids behind his mom when he sees a stranger to being a psycho-killer at the age of 16. He's [[Draco in Leather Pants|somewhat forgiven for that]] because he spent the ten year gap between those two points [[Freudian Excuse|locked in prison for no good reason after having to watch his mother get shot down.]]
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** There also was a young boy, left orphaned with his younger brother, who knew that crying will not make things better, and instead aspired to become stronger along with his brother. As the two get adopted by a martial arts master, the two finally learn to become stronger and this young child aspires to greater glory in his quest for strength. This boy grew up to be {{spoiler|[[Well-Intentioned Extremist|Raoh]]}}, but [[Love Redeems|his story does have a happier ending.]]
* ''[[Axis Powers Hetalia]]'' brings us resident [[Psychopathic Manchild]] Russia, who was just [http://community.livejournal.com/ramudaderuta/22835.html adorable] and ''sane'' (and [http://hetalia.livejournal.com/11185680.html oh-so-woobie]) as a child. Then came [http://aph.starry-sky.com/russ.html this] and [[wikipedia:Russian Revolution (1917)|this]], and I don't think [[wikipedia:Soviet Union|this]] did him any favors.
** There's also his sister, resident [[:Category:Yandere|Yandere (disambiguation)]] Belarus. We see her in her, Russia's and Ukraine's backstory as a cute little girl who clings to her brother and pouts to her older sister. And then, we see her now, as a [[:Category:Yandere (disambiguation)|scary]] [[Strange Girl]] in a frilly [[Elegant Gothic Lolita]] dress...
** America from England's perspective, who used to be a sweet [[Cute Shotaro Boy]] and just adored England. Then, we all know [[The American Revolution|what]] [[She's All Grown Up|happened]] [[Tear Jerker|next.]]
** England too, apparently. The youngest we've seen him was in the ''Passing Through The Year 1000'' strip, when he happily agreed to let France pretend to have conquered him. From there he became a very unhappy child, then a "juvenile delinquent" who's hobby was piracy, and eventually settling into the [[Jerkass]] [[Tsundere]] we all know now.
* Clair Leonelli of ''[[Heat Guy J]]''. He used to be a [[Cute Shotaro Boy|cute chibi]] with a very [[Yamato Nadeshiko|demure personality.]] After years of abuse from his dad, he eventually went insane, {{spoiler|[[The Dog Bites Back|killed his father]]}}, and became [[The Hero|Daisuke Aurora's]] [[Kick the Dog|puppy-kicking]] arch-nemesis.
* The main character Jae Hyuk of the manwha ''[[Immortal Regis]]'' started out as a sweet [[Ordinary High School Student]] devoted to caring for his [[Ill Girl|Ill Boy]] little brother. Then both of them got dragged into another dimension full of swords and sorcery and monsters. Jae Hyuk is forced into the role of [[The Hero]] while his little brother {{spoiler|eventually becomes the host of the [[Big Bad]]}}. Over the course of the series Jae Hyuk becomes more and more jaded and bitter about having his old life ripped away from him (being turned into an undead abomination didn't help either). In the sequel series ''Cavalier of the Abyss'' which takes place years later, Jae Hyuk has become the new king of the other world. The first thing we see him do is ruthlessly order [[The Purge]] of a village of suspected rebels -- menrebels—men, women, and children alike are all put to the sword. He also chops off the arm of a soldier who questioned his orders. He's not so sweet anymore.
* ''[[Bleach]]'':
** Karin Kurosaki. Also, her brother Ichigo, and said brother's rival Ishida. Both were adorable as little kids but it got considerably worse for both of them after their break the cutie events (Granted, Ishida ''was'' already pretty unhappy before his Break The Cutie event, but still).
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* Adam Blade from ''[[NEEDLESS]]'', who is, to put it mildly, a violent [[Lolicon]] [[Anti-Hero]]. Even his foster-father wonders just what the hell had gone wrong in the process. {{spoiler|This is actually a plot point that is currently on-going in the manga.}}
* Chouji Suitengu, back then known as {{spoiler|Ueno Takeshi}} from ''[[Speed Grapher]]'' was a pretty sweet kid, who loved playing games with his little sister. Then his parents were murdered for not being able to pay their debt to the Roppongi Club. Suitengu was sold off as a child soldier, almost killed during his final mission, and then turned into a Frankenstein stitch job. Nowadays, he's a textbook example of [[Four Eyes, Zero Soul]].
* Yuno Gasai from ''[[Mirai Nikki]]'' wasn't always such an [[Ax Crazy|psycho]] [[:Category:Yandere (disambiguation)|girl]]. When {{spoiler|Yukiteru and Minene go three years to the past}} It turns out that despite her abuse, she still was hopeful and idealistic.
{{quote|''' {{spoiler|2nd World}} Yuno''': When did I become so twisted? }}
* Balalaika from ''[[Black Lagoon]]'' [http://www.animepaper.net/art/47003/ultimate-balalaika used to be] a pretty, young and seemingly friendly girl, whose dream was to do her family proud in the Olympics as a sharpshooter. That is...until the [[War Is Hell|Afghanistan War]].
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** Kiriha Aonuma from ''[[Digimon Xros Wars]]'' is shown to be gentle as a child in his back story. His father {{spoiler|critiques that Kiriha must learn to be stronger, which leads to him being a [[Jerkass]]. He gets better as well.}}
* The first line in the ''[[Baccano!]]'' novel set in 1705 is from [[Manipulative Bastard|Huey Laforet's]] mother, talking about how innocent he was. [[Immortality|A couple of hundred years]] since, he's become a [[Mad Scientist]] who sees all humans ([[Abusive Parents|including his own children]]) as "raw materials."
* Sakurako {{spoiler|aka Youya}} from ''[[Sakura Gari]]'' was a sweet and adorable child, right until she witnessed the death of her mother under some [[Driven to Suicide|very screwed up circumstances]] {{spoiler|which turn out to be even more screwed up than they appear}}. She then became a seriously [[Creepy Child]], {{spoiler|eventually revealed to be a total [[:Category:Yandere|Yandere (disambiguation)]].}}
* While the primary casts of ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'' are kids by most definition, Sakura Kyouko used to be a sweet, good [[Japanese Christian]] girl who only wanted to help her father in spreading the word of his God. {{spoiler|Unfortunately, when Minister Sakura figured out that Kyouko used magic to bring people to his church, he snapped, killed his family, and then committed suicide. Only Kyouko survived.}} No wonder she's such a misanthropic [[Jerkass]]. Also, Homura {{spoiler|used to be [[Adorkable]], but fighting the scheme of an [[Eldritch Abomination]] in a [[Groundhog Day Loop]]}} warped her into a cold, lonely [[Anti-Hero]].
* {{spoiler|Faye Valentine}} of ''[[Cowboy Bebop]]'' actually used to be a very sweet idealistic child from what could be told from the lost tape found from a time capsule. It is a very [[Tear Jerker|sad]] comparison to how {{spoiler|she}} is grown up.
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* On ''[[The Fairly Odd Parents]]'', Denzel Crocker was a near perfect child who was loved by everybody as a child. However, {{spoiler|losing his fairies}} was his [[Start of Darkness]].
* Amazingly, Lucius VII on ''[[Jimmy Two-Shoes]]''. He's basically [[Satan]] (albiet a [[Harmless Villain|mostly incompatent one]]), but what [[Flash Back|flashbacks]] we get of his childhood paint him as actually cute and rather sympathetic, being abused by his father or the people of Miseryville. Then again, given [[Crapsack World|the place he lives in]], it's probably no suprise he grew up the way he did.
* Zig-zag: In the 1993 cartoon ''Itsy Bitsy Spider'' (based on the animated short subject that played with ''Bebe's Kids'' in theaters), Leslie--theLeslie—the little girl who befriends Itsy--wasItsy—was a sweet, introverted tomboy in the short and first season. Many episodes in season two have her more tomboyish.
 
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