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*** "Called BS" is an understatement considering what a [[Berserk Button]] the Srebrenica Massacre is in the Netherlands (an investigation into it brought down the government in 2002) - then-PM Jan Peter Balkenende condemned Sheehan's remark as "outrageous, wrong and beneath contempt", and other Dutch reactions were only slightly less polite (the AFMP military union said it was "out of the realm of fiction" while the SHK called it "the ridiculous convulsion of a loner").
*** Now that the ban on openly gay servicemembers in the US has been lifted, gay troops are openly forming support groups and the like, and, as predicted by people who've served in other militaries with openly gay members, there's been absolutely no significant negative effect whatsoever. Well, except if you remind the people who were predicting doom that they now look like idiots.
** Somehow, marrying your cousin is legal in 31 US states, while gay marriage has to wait until 2015 to be declared legal in all American territory <ref>Before that it has been independently declared legal in 38 states, the district of Columbia and Guam as of June 2015</ref>, and yet still there are counties that doesn't issue same-sex marriage licenses or give legal benefits to same-sex married couples despite that being declared unconstitutional.
* The tendency towards the [[Manly Gay]] was one of many things about Greco-Roman culture that [[Squick|Squicked]] out some other cultures. For instance, this is the context for the [[The Bible|New Testament]]; the Jewish establishment of that day were pretty squicked out by polytheism, homosexuality, hedonism, and the Roman school of slavery among other things, and pretty shocked or dismayed that some (including [[Jesus]]) would ''ever'' associate in any way with those disgusting people. Of course, Pompey was equally disturbed when he entered the Holy of Holies in Jerusalem after conquering it. ''Most'' religions of the time [[Nothing Is Scarier|kept some image of their god in theirs, you see]]....
** Additionally, Romans completely failed to grasp the difference between circumcision and castration. So they not only thought the Jews were a xenophobic cult that worshiped an [[Eldritch Abomination]], but that said abomination commanded them to chop off their newborn sons' genitals. At one point the Romans banned the practice on purely ethical grounds, and when the Jews revolted it just convinced them that Jews were ''so'' into mutilating their own children that they would sooner die than stop. This is one reason the only form of Christianity that ever took off among Romans was the kind that ignored Jewish law (Pauline Christianity), and even then it took a while.
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* A historic example occurs in the Greek and Roman observations of Celtic gender roles. Some Celtic cultures gave women near (though not complete) equality with men; including owning land and businesses, and becoming warriors and leaders. Greek and Roman historians, particularly the latter, remarked on the ferocity of the Celts' female warriors, and the extent to which women participated in politics. However, they did so as an example of how "barbaric", "backwards", and "near-animal" the Celts were; that they would allow an "obviously inferior" gender such an inordinate amount of power, instead of treating them as pampered pets the way that "civilized" people did - even though some of the Celtic cultures repressed women more than the Romans did.
*** A better example would be the Etruskians who ruled the Italian peninsula before the Romans. They indeed gave women near-equal rights compared to men, including the right to divorce and independent property ownership. The Greeks and the Romans were utterly freaked out by the "uppity" attitudes of the Etruskian women.
** On a similar note, when Emperor Constantius III of the Western Roman Empire died, he had two children - a son and a daughter. Obviously, his son became the new emperor, Valentinian III, and his daughter Honoria basically became nothing but a wealthy woman, and was imprisoned in a convent by her brother after she was caught in bed with a servant. But then Honoria offered herself to Attila the Hun as his wife in an attempt to get
* Abortion is vastly more controversial in Ireland than in neighbouring Britain, with even many pro-choice advocates favouring restrictions that would seem extremely conservative across the Irish Sea. Incidentally this attitude extends to Northern Ireland too: opposition to abortion is one of the few beliefs that united Unionists and Nationalists.
** Even Sinn Fein, a party with very left-wing views that is committed to allowing gay marriage and many other liberal platforms, is sternly opposed to abortion, which probably has to do with the Catholic stance against abortion.
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* Even neighbor countries can have different views of public displays of affection. While in Argentina male friends greet each other with a kiss on the cheek, in Brazil even best friends don't usually hug or kiss each other, cause it's considered not "manly". On the other hand, two women can even share a room without being or looking like a couple.
* Strangely, the Balkans are (on average) a very homophobic place- yet people of the same sex sharing beds, kissing each other on the cheek, hugging and being naked around each other when more practical- raises no eye-brows. Same goes for much of the Mediterranean.
** The whole thing with sharing beds was also done in what would become the US during the time of the American Revolution. There was/is less of a focus on sexuality in these cases. The West seems to think everything is about sex, judging by this wiki, so the perceived
* It's becoming more and more common for a man and a woman to be roommates, even in college. Views range from it being a non-issue to it being completely inappropriate.
* When Brits are formally introduced, it is a common courtesy for the man to greet the woman with a light kiss on the cheek. In Australia and New Zealand this action will likely result in a denial, a polite rebuke and an offer to shake hands (the normal ettiquette).
* In the audio commentary for ''[[Alone in the Dark (2005 film)|Alone in The Dark]]'', [[Uwe Boll]] mentions that he tried to get Tara Reid to go topless during her sex scene with Christian Slater, but she refused. He then tries to blame Reid's refusal to show her breasts for the film's failure, complaining about how uptight American actresses are and that he wouldn't have had this problem in Europe. That's at least a couple kinds of dissonance, right?
** While the main issue of dissonance there is Uwe Boll's dissonance with reality, truth is that European actors actually tend to accept roles with nudity more easily than American or Asian actors of equivalent experience and fame. An American starlet could do something risqué as a [[No Nipples]]-showing topless scene early on their career, and from then on demand nude doubles or even opt out of the film if such an scene would appear in the script, because the general conception is that an actress who does too much nudes can't advance into more "serious" jobs. An European starlet would do full frontal nudity with less damage to her career, even moving to major roles, and if a major role still requires nudity it will be her own body in screen. One of the reasons behind this was that American cinema suffered the Haynes Code (which was ''incredibly'' strict, regulating even the amount of cleavage shown) and for a while the only kind of films that defied it were pulp, sexploitation and [[Le Film Artistique|pseudo-"artsy"]] movies; when the code was lifted, the stigma remained. European countries didn't have regulations that strict, and mainstream film showing some level of nudity became more accepted - the most risqué products are labeled as "arthouse", but films that in Italy or France are sold as family movies can contain too much nudity for the equivalent PG rating in America.
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