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* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Is Isaac a [[Dogged Nice Guy|genuine friend]] that just wants to recover his old relationship with Ash? Or is he an [[Stalker with a Crush|obssesed vampire]] that embraced Ash just to force a relationship, whatever might be its [[Homoerotic Subtext|nature]], between them?
* [[Complete Monster]]: Quite a few, which is unsurprising given [[Old World of Darkness|the setting]].
** Andrei is the leader of [[Always ChaoticExclusively Evil|the Sabbat]], so obviously he's bad news. But its not until you reach his lair and [[Body Horror|find out what he's been up to]] that it truly sinks in how depraved he is.
*** This troper found that killing Andrei wasn't a job, but a PRIVELAGE. As I proceded through his lair, I just kept getting angrier and angrier at the atrocities he's made from innocents.
** Your first target in the bounty hunter sidequest chain, Stanley Gimble, is a psycopathic [[Mad Doctor]] who abducts and murders innocent men, women and children, then hacks their limbs up in order to fufil his deranged amputation fetish.
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*** Actually Brother Kanker pretty much believes in Vick's philosophy, it's just Jezebel who seems to be doing it for kicks.
* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Malkavians. Especially the independent ending for a male Malkavian in full armor: {{spoiler|a dude in a ridiculously fluffy white fur longcoat, a ridiculously tall Cat-in-the-Hat hat, and no shirt flips off Nines while Venture Tower burns in the background.}}
* [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]: Jack in the Anarch and Independent ending. {{spoiler|Sits in a garden chair in the Hollywood hills and enjoys the fireworks after having seen his plan reach fruition. Oh, and he's turned the most definitively non-vampiric occupant of the Ankharan Sarcophagus into his drinking buddy.}}
** And also yourself in the independent ending. {{spoiler|1=You single-handedly assault Chinatown and the Venture Tower, killing off Ming Xiao and handing LaCroix the key to the sarcophagus... Which turns out to contain half a ton of C4 that kills him in the greatest [[Karmic Death]] ''ever''. You then nonchalantly walk out of town, ''flipping off Nines in the process'' when he tries to recruit you for his own purposes.}}
*** Meeting {{spoiler|the cab driver near the end, who may or may not be Caine}} as a Malkavian. You become an instant [[Fan Boy]] as you realize exactly who he is. (Or you scream and panic while trying to claw your way out of the cab. It depends on how your conversations with Rosa and Skelter go down.)
* [[Crowning Moment of Funny]]: The entire Malkavian route.
* [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]]: {{spoiler|Using Dementation on Heather to convince her to pursue a normal life}} produces a rather sweet exchange.
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* [[Cult Classic]]: The bugginess of the game as it was originally released put a dent in its popularity, but a dedicated fanbase has grown over the years, especially in light of recent patches.
* [[Epileptic Trees]]: Notable for the contributing factors. Pretty-much all in-game signs point to {{spoiler|the cab driver being Caine,}} but the developers, when questioned by fans, claim that there is no right answer, and the expanded-universe novel covering Gehenna puts {{spoiler|Caine}} elsewhere. ''However,'' it's entirely possible he put ''himself'' there so Beckett would find him in a circumstance that would make him appear trustworthy, or...yeah, you can justify either point of view.
** If you check out the folders associated with the game on your computer, {{spoiler|all of the Cabbie's voice-files are sitting in a file labeled Caine}}. As for conflicting with the novel, it's worth noting that {{spoiler|Caine is pretty much a vampiric God - disguising his appearance and seeming as if he were in two places at once would be child's play for him}}. If anything, it's possible that almost crossing paths with Beckett in LA is what prompted their later interaction in the novel...
*** He's the single most powerful vampire on the planet, besides the travelling issue, he could also very easily possess someone from halfways across the world and maintain it for long periods of time.
** Some fans have suggested that Deb, from the radio show, is Kindred. This would [[Fridge Brilliance|explain a lot]], since she'd probably be how the Camarilla (or the Anarchs) kept tabs on the various crazies--note her reactions to {{spoiler|Andrei}} and that one [[Conspiracy Theorist]] who [[Cassandra Truth|manages to figure everything out]].
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** The story behind the flaming is that Tessera claims that the Unofficial Patch is actually a mod that needlessly changes many aspects of the game and that Wesp is lying by calling it a patch. Furthermore, Tessera believes that the VTMB community's obsession with "modding" the game comes from an unfulfilled subconscious desire for a sequel to the game that will never come, and has stated that he hates the PlanetVampire community and hopes they will choke on Wesp's patch.
** On the other side of the fence, Wesp claims that Tessera stole some of the code for his patches even though this isn't true: the initial design for the True Patch stipulated it could be applied on top of Wesp's patch, but this was later discarded. Wesp also claimed that Tessera also "stole" bugfixes from him, but that claim is unprovable, as most of the bugs in the game were first discovered by other parties unrelated to either of them.
** There are two major unofficial patches, and they serve different purposes. They generated some heated debate about their various merits and originality. These patches provoked a lot of [[Fan Dumb]], including flame wars, a war on [[The Other Wiki]], and some people taking their balls and going home.
* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: According to [[All There in the Manual|the tabletop Guide to the Anarchs sourcebook]], published a couple years before Bloodlines, "Nines" is the name of a popular Anarch game that resembles paintball + tag + live ammunition.
* [[Fridge Logic]]: Wouldn't the Sheriff turning into an enormous bat and flying around the tower constitute an equally enormous breach of the Masquerade?
* [[Game Breaker]]:
** Celerity and Potence allow you to go into a [[Bullet Time]] massacre which, at high levels, gives you [[Nigh Invulnerability]] simply because you'll have [[One-Hit Kill|one hit killed]] everything before it can even reach you.
** At higher levels, Fortitude makes you near invincible, especially if you have the body armor. With it, you can shrug off entire clips of Steyr Aug ammo and even normally hard-hitting bosses like Andrei's War Form and The Sheriff will barely hurt you.
** The Flamethrower deals ridiculous damage with no firearms skill needed, and it stops non-monstrous bosses from attacking or using their defensive skills as long as they burn. Its only weakness is its lack of ammunition and the high cost of the fuel.
** The Thaumaturgy Discipline "Blood Purge" from the Tremere affect almost all enemies, including most bosses. It costs only two points of blood to use and leaves them puking blood while you can wail on them with your melee weapon or firearms. And, once they recover, you can just activate it again and leave them puking again to repeat the process.
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* [[Good Bad Bugs]]: You can get duplicates of skill books by selling them to a vendor and buying them back. Most books can raise your skills two levels, but only one at a time.
** Hiding in a certain place during the final boss battle {{spoiler|will cause Chiropteran Behemoth to glitch out and stay floating in one place, allowing you to just shoot it until it dies.}}
* [[Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have!]]: Beckett and Strauss sometimes get this treatment by the fandom.
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]: If you look on Simon Milligan's computer when you come to deal with him for Pisha, you discover that they were planning on shooting the next episode in the zombie-filled graveyard in Hollywood.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: You can tell E after {{spoiler|rescuing Lilly}} "Vampires in love, [[Twilight (novel)|you two make a great airport paperback]]"