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{{quote|''"My face turns beet red, I throw the controller against the ground and start swearin', 'Fucking game long chains. Swear to NEVER play a [[Shoot Em Ups|shooter game]] again.'"''|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg "Cave TRIBUTE"]}}
{{quote|''"[[What Were You Thinking?|What were they THINKING?!]]"''|'''[[The Angry Video Game Nerd (Web Video)|The Angry Video Game Nerd]]'''}}
In [[Video Games]], [[Wall Banger (Darth Wiki)|Wall Bangers]] are often also [[Game Breaker|Game Breakers]], and are sometimes called "Controller Smashers" or "Screen Smashers" for the impulses a gamer on the receiving end of a Wall Banger gets. They are particularly frustrating here because video games are all about giving the player control; that makes it significantly worse when the player is [[Railroading|railroaded]] into [[Stupidity Is the Only Option|doing something completely stupid]].
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** The plot of ''Treasures of Aht Urhgan'' hands ''you'' the [[Idiot Ball]], putting you through utterly idiotic [[But Thou Must]] choices in order to force the plot along.
** Time will tell if any consideration is given to the gross negligence towards time paradox situations that the ''Wings of the Goddess'' expansion has chosen to ignore for now.
* ''[[Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings]]''. When you finally caught up to the Judge of Wings ({{spoiler|Mydia}}) and beaten her, everyone, save Fran and Balthier, [[Easily Forgiven|are all hugs and sympathy]]. Considering that {{spoiler|Mydia}} had just {{spoiler|[[Moral Event Horizon|finished slaughtering her entire race]] ([[Disposable Woman|who I must note had done nothing wrong and were completely innocent]]) and provided a [[That One Boss|difficult boss battle]], [[Karma Houdini|what the hell?!]] Her motivation was basically [[Sympathetic Sue|"I'm so lonely and my lover's dead and I want to bring him back]] and [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge|possibly get some revenge]]" while her reasons for killing off her race was "I don't want [[Big Bad|Feolthanos]] to use them like he used me" when she could've just ignored them instead of killing them, since when you see Feolthanos, he's basically a giant, immobile crystal. Also, considering that she had gotten some of her anima back, [[What an Idiot!|she could've just asked the party for help instead of fighting them]].}}
* From ''[[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]]'': after getting the [[Artifact of Doom|Black Materia]] back from Jenova, Cloud decides it would be best to let someone else hold on to it in case Sephiroth decides to control Cloud again and gives the one that volunteers strict instructions not to give it to anyone. <ref> While Red XIII is usually the one to be picked to hold it, it ''is'' possible to get someone else to do it (including Barret).</ref> Later on, said individual is tricked by Sephiroth into coming to the aid of the other members of the party. When he/she arrives, the first thing he/she does is give the Black Materia to Cloud without question, despite earlier instructions, not to mention having first hand knowledge that Sephiroth could manipulate Cloud into getting the materia. Granted, everything more or less works out in the end, but after watching it all unfold you start to wonder if they're [[Too Dumb to Live|worth the trouble.]]
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** [[Base Breaker|The endings]]. So many illogical and downright bizarre moments occur in the last ten minutes that the narrative collapses under the weight of a boatload of silliness:
*** The Crucible. Throughout the entire game, you've been amassing scientists, technicians and special teams of various species to work on this unknown device, whose apparent purpose is to dock with the Citadel and do...something. None of the main characters have any idea what this device does, yet they rely on it as a Hail Mary pass to defeat the Reapers. No one told Shepard how to activate this thing when he finally got to the control panel to activate it? And better yet, why did a continuous cycle of species, over billions of years, add pieces to it without having any idea what it was capable of?
**** Additionally, how did the Reapers never learn about or find the Crucible after all these cycles? How and why did they not find it and attack it while Hackett was assembling all those forces to build it? It's a sitting duck lying in some random nebula. Did Hackett and his forces constantly move it? Did the Reapers simply never find it, or did they not even bother to make an effort to do so, even though destroying it would have wiped out the biggest threat to them and significantly weaken the resistance? Either way, [[What an Idiot!|that is an extremely stupid move on the part of the Reapers]].
*** The main motive of the Catalyst boils down to "organics shouldn't be killed by synthetics, so I made machine gods that will harvest you every 50,000 years...to save you from synthetics." Why did Shepard not question how stupid and redundant that was? S/he just rolls over and accepts it.
*** The Catalyst (and the plot, by extension) ignores the fact that in spite of its claim that organics and synthetics cannot co-exist, Shepard has spent the entire game possibly rallying both types of life. One instance always occurs (Joker and EDI begin a relationship), while it is possible to broker peace between the Geth and Quarians. Yet, Shepard never bothers to bring this up or throw the Catalyst's claim back in its face, making him/her look like a fool.
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** What makes it even stupider is after you say that you didn't get any Apples because Team Skull took them all, Wigglytuff starts to cry. You're saved from a temper tantrum by Team Skull coming in...WITH A PERFECT APPLE. One most wonder, where did they get that? It couldn't possibly have been FROM THE TREE, HUH?!
* A thud-worthy moment made its way into ''[[Pokémon Ranger (Video Game)|Pokémon Ranger]]: Shadows of Almia'', combining [[Hostage for Macguffin]] with [[But Thou Must]]. After clearing the Hippowdon Temple and gathering the Yellow Gem after a tough Pokémon capture, you leave the temple and receive a "vicemail" from Heath of Team Dim Sun, who had been giving you fake distress signals throughout your mission shortly after Keith disappeared. You've been suspicious of him all along (especially since he speaks [[You No Take Candle]]), but when he asks you to exchange the Yellow Gem for Keith, [[Stupidity Is the Only Option|the game won't proceed unless you say "yes"]], and Keith isn't in that much danger anyway (he's tied up, but the Dim Sun copter is just a few feet off the ground, so it isn't like they could have dropped or shot him or anything). So now, you've gotta go halfway across Almia to get that thing back ''again!''
* Flareon has remained the [[Tier Induced Scrappy]] of the [[Fan Nickname|Eeveelutions]] since ''[[Pokémon Red and Blue (Video Game)|Pokémon Red and Blue]]'', where it was unable to take advantage of its monstrous (physical) Attack because of its Fire-typing and pathetic physical movepool. In ''[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Video Game)|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]'', however, the physical-special split of typings has resulted in a powerful physical Fire move known as Flare Blitz. Because Flareon is tied with Ho-oh for the highest Attack of all Fire-types, not to mention the move ''had Flareon's name on it'', it was sure to throw Flareon the bone it truly needed. As of ''[[Pokémon Black and White (Video Game)|Pokémon Black and White]]'', Flareon has been denied Flare Blitz for the ''[[Yank the
* The original ''Pokémon Ranger'' has a big one in the "Four Challenges" level. After you've beat the first three (annoying as hell) Pokémon, your partner, after being SPECIFICALLY TOLD not to do all four chambers, suggests the two of you go into the fourth "just to check it out". You are not allowed to say "No, Lunick/Solana, I'm tired of these stupid ruins full of irritating 'tests'. Let's go home." No, you have to go in there, and you have to explore it to your idiot partner's heart's content. Now, it's a lava level, suggesting the challenge Pokémon's a Fire-type. Keep that in mind. You get to the back of the chamber and find the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad|Go Rock Quads]] with a Charizard. You know, Fire-type? You know by now that these four aren't to be trusted, so their "oh, this poor Charizard is suffering" story is weaker than tissue paper. Even though it's so freaking obvious to the player this is the challenge and things will end badly, YOU CAN'T LEAVE UNTIL YOU CAPTURE THE CHARIZARD.
* Okay, so [[Brutal Bonus Level|The Battle Frontier]] makes for a pretty good side challenge for the competitive gamer and whatnot, but why is grinding Battle Points necessary to get anything? By the time [[Pokémon Gold and Silver (Video Game)|HeartGold and SoulSilver]] came around, the list of things that could only be bought with BP amounts to TM's, evolution items, training items, held items, and even Move Tutors. It wouldn't be such a bad idea if it [[Luck Based Mission|DIDN'T TAKE]] [[Nintendo Hard|FUCKING FOREVER]] [[The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard|TO GRIND]] [[Random Number God|THAT MANY POINTS.]] The only way you'll get a sizable amount in a decent time is to actually get the chance to challenge a [[Bonus Boss|Frontier Brain]], but even provided you make it to them, they could still easily whoop your ass and ruin your streak without so much as a consolation prize. Apparently, Game Freak thinks only [[A God Am I|gods]] deserve to teach their bugs how to bite things or something.<ref>It doesn't help that the shards, the payment for Move Tutors in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Video Game)|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]], are easier to grind in this game but instead are reserved for ''berries''</ref>
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== Sonic the Hedgehog ==
* In ''[[Sonic Unleashed (Video Game)|Sonic Unleashed]]'', towards the start of the game, when Sonic turns into a werehog for the second time and muses to himself, "I just need to be careful who sees me like this." Turns out that nobody in the game cares that Sonic has assumed this new monstrous form - not even Tails or Amy Rose, officially neutering the werehog as a plot device for the rest of the game.
* The Wall-Bangingest moment of the entire Sonic series has to be the entire Last Episode of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 (Video Game)|Sonic the Hedgehog 2006]]''. It begins with the [[Big Bad]] ''killing Sonic.'' The game is bloody ''named'' after him, but they went out of their way to make sure you didn't play as him during the final level - which is, by the way, filled with not only even more [[Game Breaking Bug|Game Breaking Bugs]], but [[Loads and Loads of Loading|even more loading screens than usual]] and [[Demonic Spiders|instant-death gravity-sucking portals]]. And then after everyone recovers the Chaos Emeralds to save Sonic, [[MacGuffin Girl|Elise]] cements her place as the ultimate [[Damsel Scrappy|Scrappy]] of the series by reviving him ''with [[True
* Come to think of it, Elise's entire presence in the game is wall-bangy, as she pretty much does nothing but stand around, be kidnapped, and, well, [[Interspecies Romance|the aforementioned kiss]]. She's widely considered one of the most useless characters in the series, and the fact that she's [[Uncanny Valley|a realistic-looking human interacting with Felix the Cat-esque characters]] really doesn't help. It's even worse if you know that [[Lacey Chabert]], her voice actor, is actually a fan of the series.
* At the start of TLE, Mephiles shows up and shoots Sonic [[In the Back]], in order to make Elise cry. He is a time traveller. He could've done that ''at any point since Elise met Sonic and bonded with him''. One theory is that he simply prefers manipulating people to try and do it for him, and/or is a coward.
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*** The reason why you don't kill him is because he flees with Pronyma and leaves you to fight some guard angels. In the scenario where he dies the angels flee with Pronyma and he fights you.
*** Yeah, the emphasis there is that he either chooses to fight for you, or die by your hand. It comes down to whether or not he believes he can redeem himself in the eyes of the party. (Scenario 1 Lloyd: Can I trust you? (He dies) Scenario 1 Lloyd: I trust you. (He lives))
* Near the end of the first chapter of ''[[Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World (Video Game)|Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World]]'', a man named Magnar occupies a town, orders them to turn over Marta or be killed, receives her, reveals his intent to kill her, and then proceeds to have his men destroy the town anyway. Emil shows up to save her, almost dies, recovers with the help of his [[Super
* In ''[[Tales of the Abyss (Video Game)|Tales of the Abyss]]'', after defeating {{spoiler|Grand Maestro Mohs, who had [[One
** A worst one is how everyone got on Luke's case about {{spoiler|trusting Van, his beloved mentor and father figure, when the only other people on his side that seemed even remotely trustworthy were Ion, Guy, Anise and Meiu. And of the four, Ion was hiding vital information, Guy and Anise were both traitors, Meiu was Meiu, and none of them would have had any reason to disobey Van's orders -- and in Ion's case, actually enabled the destruction of Akzeriuth by following said orders, despite the fact that he was technically Van's superior and knew about the nature of the world already. And when he pointed that out to the rest of the party, they brushed it aside in order to blame Luke, whom they damn well knew was being ''mind-controlled'' at the time.}}
*** The excessive harshness toward Luke's mistakes -- mistakes which were mostly based on genuine ignorance and inexperience -- seems particularly egregious when compared to the much milder treatment given to outright enemies ({{spoiler|Mohs}}) or deliberate spies/traitors ({{spoiler|Anise}}) who manage to get off with being [[Easily Forgiven]].
*** True, but in all fairness, the rest of the party had expressed suspicion towards Van for a while. The only people who don't... well see the above. They're more angry that Luke chose to follow Van's instructions and manipulate the natural laws despite not really knowing what was going on, and how afterward he refuses to accept responsibility for his actions. Given everything that just happened, the arguments on both sides may have been intentionally flawed. Watching a child sink to their death in a poisonous mud pit would frustrate anybody.
* Despite being a generally good game, ''[[Tales of Vesperia (Video Game)|Tales of Vesperia]]'' has some moments that left many players groaning.
** The [[Family
** The problem is that Yuri forces it on Flynn, without him getting a say in it. Flynn tells him not to, tells Yuri not to give him the credit and by all means ''should'' be dragging Yuri to jail as a murderer because he didn't even ''wait'' to see if the law would punish them, he outright killed them without a conviction. Yuri, being the impatient man he is, just assumes he's correct every single time, ignores Flynn's advice and offs the Strawmen. He never once considers the increasingly precarious position he's forcing Flynn into, and doesn't even seem to consider that Flynn is ''breaking his own moral code'' to protect Yuri, let alone could get jailed and/or executed for allowing Yuri to walk free dispensing his own view of justice. Flynn isn't entirely blameless because he's so ''blinded'' by his loyalty to his best friend that he can't uphold his own code as a knight, because it means putting Yuri on the executioner's block. His idealism falls short when he's forced to deal those laws onto Yuri and he wavers, which eventually leads to their confrontation sword fight, when Flynn finally puts his foot down and says enough is enough. It does take a while, considering how much of a dick Yuri is to Flynn, and these guys are ''best friends''.
*** This also leads to Sodia attempting to shank Yuri, believing Flynn would be better off with Yuri dead... Sodia's logic that killing Flynn's oldest, best, childhood friend will be ''better for him'', and get her in his pants is another wall banger altogether.
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** Because "Sargeras, after witnessing all of the horrors of the universe, slowly went insane with maybe some help from the Nathrezim" makes so much less sense and is so much less interesting than "The Eredar and the Nathrezim corrupted him with their corrupty powers of doom". The true Wall Banger is how blown out of proportion the retcon is when ''one throw-away line in a game manual that nobody even cared about prior to this'' was changed ''slightly'' in a way that ''pretty much affected nothing aside from tying a "new" race in with existing lore''. From the way some fans go on about it, you'd think there were three or four books dedicated to the evil plans of the Eredar, and the fact that they had a hand in Sargeras's corruption (instead of it being solely the Nathrezim, or demons in general) was a crucial plot point and changing it completely invalidated any previous lore and made absolutely none of it make sense. The orcs had a bigger, more lore-changing retcon, but does anyone care? No, because they ''like'' the orcs, and half of them probably don't even know that their favorite [[Noble Savage|Noble Savages]] were originally [[Chaotic Evil]], no demons involved. Metzen himself said he cares more about making an interesting story than keeping every little detail consistent. That applies to every race, not just the popular ones.
*** The Legion was told to corrupt races across the multiverse, most races just fell under the influence its influence... except the Eredar and the Nathrezim, whose actions directly resulted in Sargeras' [[Face Heel Turn]]. In the original story, they are not mere servants of the God Of Evil, they are the former mortals whose actions resulted in [[The Paragon]] [[Despair Event Horizon|breaking down]] and turning into the [[Bigger Bad]]. This troper believes it makes [[The Big Bad|Archimonde]] and the Eredar much more interesting as vilains. They are way under Sargeras in the [[Sorting Algorithm of Evil]], yet they are more than [[The Remnant]]. Note that in the case of the orcs' corruption, the demons acted as [[The Man Behind the Man]], with the orcs genuinely unaware that their lust for conquest was unnatural. It was more of a ''massive'' [[Revision]] than a [[Rewrite]].
* "The Culling of Stratholme", namely, the behavior of [[The Obi
** It's more a case of doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons. The game gives plenty of reason to believe this is the case, given both Arthas' petulance when talking with Uther, and his obsessive pursuit of Mal'Ganis subsequently. That said, it is more than odd that neither Uther nor Jaina try to stop him, or do things another way.
* '''Garrosh Hellscream in fucking general.''' Oh, you're building him up as a legitimate counterpoint to Thrall, being an ax-crazy idiotic bastard that is going to drive the Horde to the brink of war and back to everything that ruined them? Oh, that's OK. That's kinda cool, it serves as a plot to lead in the lore newbies to realize that orcs aren't necessarily "bad." The orcs will overthrow him and...wait, why are you suddenly making him noble to Thrall, whom he previously disrespected, out of nowhere, with no lead in? Why is he suddenly a brilliant tactician? Why is everyone around him [[
** Thrall attempts to justify this to Vol'jin by saying the horde needs a strong leader who follows war-based orcish ways instead of the peaceful ways he was seeking to make it stronger. Yeah, right, with Garrosh leading blind, strategyless charges, Sylvanas starting (and [[Pyrrhic Victory|on the losing end]]) of a war with Gilneas, Cairne's death and Baine only staying in the horde because his people need them, and the Trolls knowing exactly where Garrosh is taking them and second-guessing their alliance, [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|the horde's never been weaker or more divided]].
*** This is aimed to be fixed in ''Mists Of Pandaria'' {{spoiler|with Garrosh's full [[Face Heel Turn]].}}
* Uldum was once a land shrouded in mystery. They'd been teasing it ever since vanilla, and the entrance just stood there, inaccessible, that whole time. So when they finally open it up, you expect it to be deeply involved in the lore and storylines of most of the game, and we might actually find some stuff out about the Titans. What we got instead was a long parody of an [[Indiana Jones]] movie, most of it is [[Played for Laughs]]. To make matters worse in this, your character is effectively made useless for much of the zone's storyline, forcing you to be rescued over and over again by the Indy Expy.
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** It's also a bit disheartening, as {{spoiler|Hobbes was the first indication that not all Kilrathi are bad (for Blair as well as the player), and to think that he only defected because of an established identity undermines the whole idea behind him}}.
** This is also a case of [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]. {{spoiler|By that point in the game Conded intends to blow up Kilrathi home planet - in fact, Hobbes' betrayal was what allowed Kilrathi to take out the more reliable of the two human [[Planet Killer]] weapons - and if anything can be a solid, dramatically appropriate reason for switching sides, this is. Identity overlay crap seems like a cop-out meant to eliminate any shadows of grey from the situation.}}
*** Chalk it up to the George Lucas Effect: as Chris Roberts gained more control over the series, he began to purge more and more of the nuance from the setting and replace it with blatantly transparent allegories for [[World War II|historical events]]. ''Wing Commander IV'' is the video game champion of [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]--the hype promised the ability to choose between fighting for Confed or [[La Résistance|The Border Worlds]], each side with their own merits and flaws to create an interesting story. In the end, it turned out that the Border Worlds were ''completely'' in the right and the whole war was due to an evil conspiracy within the Confederation, led by Admiral Tolwyn, who was [[Character Derailment|newly divested of any of the redeeming qualities he had in the previous games]] to become a [[Complete Monster]]. Then the Nephilim, who seemed intentionally designed to be utterly impossible to empathize with, were introduced. This trend culminated in [[The Movie]], which was so [[So Bad
* ''Vivisector: Beast Inside'' has two kinds of enemies: human soldiers and [[Animorphism|cybernetically enhanced animals]]. Even after you switch sides from the humans to the animals after {{spoiler|your XO murders a comrade to gain your cooperation}}, you're ''still'' having to fight both. The reason given? You're not authorized to be on the island (and your XO conveniently never clears you, even though ''he's the one who wanted you on the island, in the first place''), making you fair game for the human soldiers, and the animals are programmed to see humans as the enemy, no matter what. That, my friend, was the sound of a genuine headdesk. Here's some aspirin for the pain.
* In a case of this trope meeting [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]], ''[[God of War (Video Game)|God of War]]: Chains of Olympus'' has the basic premise of the sun god Helios going missing and Morpheus, god of dreams, taking over the pantheon and terrorizing the world in his absence. Instead of building on it, it's ditched halfway through the game, where it's revealed {{spoiler|Persephone, wife of Hades, had the Titan Atlas kidnap Helios so he could use the sun god's power to topple the column that held the world up and kill everyone, including the pantheon. Her reason: she was sick of being stuck in a loveless marriage and pissed at both Hades and Zeus for tricking her into it in the first place, and felt [[The End of the World As We Know It]] was the best way to put her out of her misery and give the two gods the middle finger.}}
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*** Speaking of that, {{spoiler|why didn't John tell his son about the drawbacks of the whip? Jonathan might not have been as resentful of him if he did. But no, [[Cannot Spit It Out|he opted to keep Jonathan]] [[Locked Out of the Loop]], and made his best friend promise to do the same. What the hell John?!}}
** Those radio plays. They are worse than bad fanfiction. The veteran voice cast is gone, replaced by a new crew who range from decent-if-strange (Mamoru 'Riku' Miyamoto as Alucard?) to very poor (everyone else, which is shocking because most of them are usually good). Richter is wangsty, Maria is utterly Chickified and reduced to a [[Distressed Damsel]], Alucard's navel gazing is tedious in the extreme, and once again the rules of the Vampire Killer are broken as it starts reacting to something that is not a vampire. The new characters add nothing whatsoever to the story, too. Honestly, 'the [[P Achi Slot]] games have better stories than this''. What exactly went wrong here?
* ''[[Silver Surfer (Video Game)|Silver Surfer]]'' is [[Nintendo Hard|very difficult]], given the combination of ridiculous enemies, [[Bullet Hell]], [[Everything Trying to Kill You]], you being a [[One
** The reason this is a wall banger is the disconnect of having one of the toughest beings in the [[Marvel Universe]] getting killed by a rubber ducky (or anything else for that matter).
* In ''[[Untold Legends]]: Warrior's Code'', you must spend the entire storyline protecting the young teenage prince as he is related by blood to the evil usurping emperor and thus [[The Only One Allowed to Defeat You|the only person who can wound him.]] He is extremely weak a fighter, is [[The Load|very annoying to protect]], and he will [[Too Dumb to Live|willingly run into enemies]] away from you where you can't defend him. And when you finally meet the evil emperor, it turns out that you just so HAPPEN to share some ill-defined blood relation to him after all and you were able to do the job on your own all along. It just makes you want to beat the hell out of the little runt for every whiny potion request he makes. Was he REALLY supposed to be a hero, and how can his people possibly see him as their leader, honestly?
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** Another big one occurs in ''[[Star Fox Command (Video Game)|Star Fox Command]]''. In one of the paths, Krystal {{spoiler|sympathizes with Andross, calling him a man of pure intentions, only wanting to help Lylat, but was railroaded by Pepper wanting to stop Andross research.}} She also states that {{spoiler|the only reason Andross is the bad guy was because he killed Fox's father. First off, even if Andross was unfairly treated, it still does not excuse his reaction to Pepper wanting to stop whatever research was taking place. Second, not only was Andross responsible for the death of Fox's father, but he also was responsible for the ''deaths of others in Corneria'' when he unleashed one of his weapons upon them before the events of ''Star Fox 64''. Finally, there's the matter of him trying to ''kill Krystal'' in ''Adventures'' in order to restore himself ''and'' destroy the Lylat System. [[Moral Event Horizon|Whatever pure intentions Andross had had long gone]] by the time ''Adventures'' took place.}} Given her personality in the previous games, one would think that she would know better than to stoop that low, even if Fox was in the wrong in kicking her off the team. Oh, and this conversation takes place {{spoiler|in a path that led to her rejoining [[Star Fox (Video Game)|Star Fox]] for good.}}
*** And it gets worse than that... ''Star Fox Adventures'', Krystal's introduction to the series, has {{spoiler|Andross trying to come [[Back From the Dead]] by draining Krystal's life force, killing her and almost causing the destruction of Sauria (Dinosaur Planet) in the process. But wait! It gets worse! There are a few slight implications that Andross was involved in some way, in causing the destruction of Cerinia, Krystal's home planet, of which [[Last of His Kind|she is the only survivor]]. Let's repeat that for clarification: HE TRIED TO KILL HER, MAY HAVE KILLED HER ENTIRE CIVILIZATION, AND WOULD HAVE KILLED ANOTHER, and she, of all people, IS DEFENDING HIM?!}} It probably wouldn't be surprising to say that Krystal underwent some major [[Character Derailment]] in ''Command''.
* In the DS version of ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'' it's revealed that {{spoiler|DALTON}} of all people is responsible for bringing down Guardia and the potential deaths of Crono and Marle between ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'' and ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]''. This is a Wall Banger because {{spoiler|Dalton}} is portrayed as a [[Small Name, Big Ego]] and borderline [[Butt Monkey]], and is one of the easiest bosses to beat in the game. {{spoiler|Both times you fight him, even}}. How the player is supposed to believe that he managed to kill a grown-up and probably highly-leveled Crono and Marle...
** There ''is'' the scene where, right after {{spoiler|Crono has sacrificed himself to Lavos and Schala teleports the rest of the party away}}, he knocks all three members of the party out with a single fireball spell ([[Cutscene Power to The Max]]). ''Maybe'' he was using an extreme form of [[Obfuscating Stupidity]], or maybe he pulled a villainous [[Let's Get Dangerous]]. It still seems kind of... underwhelming, though.
** The Japanese explain it by him saying something along the line of "Hey, behind you!", making the main characters turn back and allowing him to cheap shot them.
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* In the first ''[[Etrian Odyssey (Video Game)|Etrian Odyssey]]'' game, you reach a point where you are asked to [[Shoot the Dog|kill the forest folk]] to continue the plot. No, you don't get a choice. No, they didn't do anything to deserve it either. The in-setting justification that the mayor does for why he assigns you this task? To defend the town's ''tourism industry''.
** It gets worse. {{spoiler|When you finally confront the [[Big Bad]], he reveals his plan to...revitalize the war-ravaged world using the Heart of yggdrasil. Yes, that's right, the "villain" is trying to ''legitimately save the world''. And the party still kills him and destroys the Heart, ruining hundreds of years of research and possibly dooming the world, all for some pretty trinkets!}} In fact, one could argue that at this point, Etrian Odyssey is meant to be a ''[[Deconstruction]]'' of dungeon delving for fun and profit.
** Even the in the second and third ''Etrian Odyssey'', the villains could be considered [[Well
* Who says ''[[Super Robot Wars (Video Game)|Super Robot Wars]]'' is always a good 'Crossover done right'? OG Gaiden shows how even a plot can be a Wall Banger. Which plot am I talking about? The ODE Incident, which is taken from the OVA, which is already a Wall Banger. It pulls Lamia Loveless into the main spotlight of the plot, but only to see her butt naked against her will, smack her with a [[Distress Ball]] on the size of a planet even though she's a mightily competent [[Action Girl]]. That's just the OVA, but the game cranks this up to eleven. She is later shot down and killed by a [[Big Bad Wannabe|third banana villain]], and would've stayed dead if a second banana villain didn't bring her [[Back From the Dead]]. She is later restored, but her whole scenario gives her no benefits or development at all, instead it only lets us see how [[The Stoic|grumpy]] Kyosuke gets to act [[Not So Stoic|un-grumpy]], and for Axel to show off that he had an honest [[Heel Face Turn]]. That also means that it doesn't matter if she lived, her record will be forever stained that she was defeated by that third banana guy. So basically, despite her being the center of that certain sub plot, she gains nothing out of it and only acts as a plot device for other characters to develop themselves. Now please excuse me as I bang my head to the wall.
** Unfortunately, even the ODE Incident right from the origins (the OVA) rides on Wall Banger surfboard in order to EVEN SUCCEED. Let's see, what's established after the end of [[OG 2]]? Graien Grazman took over EFA, and despite his ruthless method, at least he'll make sure that there'll be no more rebellion, especially incidents like this. Then the ODE System and Bartolls, for no good reason... got past Graien's (crap) radar and supervision (as if he suddenly got lenient). Seriously, you may be a minor character, Graien, but WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED WITH YOUR TOTALITARIAN, SUPER STRICT STANCE that you even let that thing pass!? That's seriously something that would happen if Midcrid was still in control, not Grazman. Mind you, there ''is'' a reason why SRW fans shun the OVA and would rather consider the ODE Incident and Lamia's humiliating and pointless moment to be one [[Big Lipped Alligator Moment]] (except, you know, the one involving Axel's [[Heel Face Turn]]) in OG Gaiden and never talk about it anymore. This trope is the reason.
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*** And, in a related wallbanger, it also allows you to save Mu La Flaga from his canon death in Alpha 3, which means that not being able to save him in Judgment is rather puzzling, since both games feature similar circumstances that would have made keeping him from getting killed easy to implement.
* In ''[[Spellforce]]'', to get your siege units to use their anti-building attacks against buildings, you have to set them next to the buildings without ordering them to attack -- otherwise, they'll use weak melee attacks.
* The [[Bittersweet Ending]] of ''[[Wild Arms 5 (Video Game)|Wild Arms 5]]''. Avril's [[Laser
** Also: [[Big Bad]] Volsung seems to, at first, be a [[Well
* ''[[Jak 3 Wastelander]]'' attempting to disguise its [[The Other Darrin|Darrin-ing]] of [[Wrench Wench|Keira's]] voice...by giving her a staggering one, maybe two lines in the entire game, and disrupting ''both'' of the previous game's established romances to try and set up Jak with [[Action Girl|Ashelin]]. To make matters worse, the only line of Keira's was in ''support'' of Jak, making him look like a high-grade dick. Of course, in ''Jak X'', they just pretend none of this Jak/Ashelin [[Shipping]] [[Canon Dis Continuity|ever happened]].
** Most fans would say that most of ''TLF'' counts, though the one example that really sticks out would be Jak's dismissal of Daxter's [[Super
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQ75rnywyA The opening cinematic of the Xbox Live Arcade version of ]''[[Banjo-Kazooie (Video Game)|Banjo-Tooie]]''. The problem starts right around when Kazooie distracts Mumbo and Bottles. A jarring sting should play when Mumbo and Bottles react to Kazooie's declaration of Grunty's supposed return, but instead, it plays after Kazooie swipes the money from them. [[It Got Worse|It gets worse from there, though.]] [[Soundtrack Dissonance]] doesn't even begin to describe the state of the opening as it is. For comparison, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-_8BAQ6TE here's the opening with ][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrXf7y1YWJY the properly-synced music].
** The problem has to do with the loading times. The music was one 11 minute track that was synced up to everything; even the loading times. However, the 360 loads much faster than the N64. So thus, every time the scene changes, the music gets off-sync even more.
* It'd be too difficult to list all the Wallbangers in ''[[Kingdom Heartscoded (Video Game)|Kingdom Heartscoded]]'', but one stands out: the big emotional high point of the game is that Data Sora gets to say "Thank you" to Data Namine, finally fulfilling Sora's promise to Namine from ''Chain of Memories''. There's just one problem. Sora's '''never promised to thank Namine!''' The promise Sora and Namine made was to ''meet again'', a promise that was fulfilled at the end of ''[[Kingdom Hearts II (Video Game)|Kingdom Hearts II]]''; Namine said as much! The "Thank Namine" thing was just a thing Jiminy made up to remind ''the whole group'' (Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy himself) to thank her for restoring their memories. So ''when'' did "Thank Namine" become such a big deal, and why is it attributed ''solely'' to Sora (Aside from phasing out of Disney characters in [[
** In fact, if you go back to the end of ''Chain of Memories'', it's actually ONLY Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy (the Disney characters) that talk of "Thank Namine", Sora literally said ''nothing'' about it, let alone make a promise to thank her. Attributing it ''solely'' to Sora nothing....it's being re-attributed to a character it was never attributed to in the first place!
* Regarding ''[[The King of Fighters (Video Game)|The King of Fighters]]'', at the time of ''KOF 96'', they recorded new voice samples for King from ''[[Art of Fighting]]''. The voice made her sound like a combination of not caring, lazy, and condescending, but the vocals got rerecorded for ''97'', didn't they? No such chance. Anyone worth a damn had new vocals except King. Fast forward to 2001 and....SHE'S STILL USING THAT GODDAMN VOCAL COLLECTION. [[It Got Worse]] in [[Capcom vs. Whatever|Capcom vs SNK]] 1 and 2. There King was playable and....she STILL had her 96 to 2001 (or 2002 [[Updated Rerelease|Unlimited Match]]) vocals! Compare that to every other SNK character who had brand spanking new vocals for that crossover! Now that, SNK, was just plain LAZY. They could have AT LEAST given King a bit more love and effort than that, but it just proves that [[They Just Didn't Care]]. Thankfully the whole thing was fixed when in KOF 2003 King FINALLY had new vocals for the first time in at least SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
** And what she ''did'' get sounded like something right out of a ''[[Dead or Alive (Video Game)|Dead or Alive]]'' game. Her vocals were re-recorded again for ''KOF XIII'' to an even ''worse'' result that makes one wonder if SNK isn't ''trying'' to lure in [[Ryona]] fetishists.
** Same vein, Geese Howard. Despite he really had his sprite redrawn time after time, his stance animation is '''still''' as unsmooth as years ago, EVEN contrary to his son Rock and, one possible exception of this, his Capcom VS SNK appearance. [[What Were You Thinking?|Gaw, come on, SNK! He is your TRADEMARK boss, as well as Rugal!]]
* While most of the ''[[Chzo Mythos]]'' story is brilliant, some of the more... unique plot points left some players (including [[Let's Play|Deceased Crab]]) groaning, the main example being {{spoiler|the Trilby Clones}} from ''6 Days a Sacrifice''. The {{spoiler|sex scene}} in the same game runs a close second.
** Also: "I JUST WANTED TO GO INTO SPACE!"
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* In ''[[Fire Emblem Tellius (Video Game)|Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn]]'', you absolutely cannot [[Take a Third Option]] regarding the fate of {{spoiler|Pelleas}} in your first playthrough. You ''must'' play the game twice to get out of {{spoiler|killing him.}} Even though it turns out that {{spoiler|killing him is useless anyway!}}
** Even worse. Early on, you meet Izuka, the most [[Obviously Evil]] character ever. Pelleas is quite trusting of him despite this, which is understandable for various reasons, if idiotic. The real Wall Banger comes from when {{spoiler|Izuka feeds Muarim the elixir that turns him into a Feral One. Muarim is saved and Izuka...keeps his job. Despite the fact he crossed the [[Moral Event Horizon]] and has been proven to be a terrible strategist, Pelleas STILL completely trusts him. The reason of course is because [[Idiot Ball|the plot says so.]]}}
* ''[[Sly Cooper (Video Game)|Sly Cooper]]'': It's not too bad an example, as it's immediately followed by one of the series' best boss fights, but Sly referring to General Tsau as the worst man he's ever met. Mind you, Tsau is a nasty piece of work (kidnapping a woman to use her as a baby maker, manipulated her father into passiveness as it happened, left a Chinese village in terror with his crimes and necromancy, and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|kicked a puppy twice.)]] But Sly seems to be forgetting about Clockwerk, a [[Big Bad]] of the series who was so obsessed with hatred on the Cooper family that he literally ''lived'' off it for centuries, terrorizing them for generations before he finally murdered Sly's parents right in front of him, then left Sly alive in the hopes of watching him grow up to be a miserable failure. And Sly spent a good chunk of the last game describing just how horrible Clockwerk is, raising Clockwerk to something close to an [[Eldritch Abomination]]. And apparently his evil pales to a really powerful sexist.
** Except that Clockwerk hadn't been a man in a long time by the time Sly had met him. Or owl, whatever.
*** Honestly, Tsao is probably almost as bad, if not equal, to Clockwerk in terms of evilness. The problem is that Clockwerk affected Sly far more personally then Tsao did, so it's strange that Sly would hate Tsao more. (You could argue that Sly had put Clockwerk behind him at that point, though that feels too much like [[Fan Wank]] for my tastes.)
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** The way [[Warrior Poet|Zeratul]], one of the wisest charachters of the first game, is reduced to an utter moron. Upon seing a ghostly, translucent figure of [[Heroic Sacrifice|Tassadar]], that announces: "I have come to you from beyond this world", all he can utter is: "But you are dead!" Well, DUH! Another time he engages a Protoss-Zerg Hybrid and incredulously inquires about who could possibly create such monstrosity, despite the fact he met said creator in person and heard his confession!
** The moment when it is revealed that Sargares...I mean the Dark Voice aka the Fallen One enslaved the Ork Horde...I mean the Zerg Swarm to destroy the Night Elves...I mean the Protoss, and, subsequently, all life in the universe, so that he could remake it [[In Their Own Image]]... ... ...THIS. IS NOT. WARCRAFT IN SPACE!!!
** - Hey, people, we have to destroy the space platforms the Zerg use as spawning ground for their air forces! - Ok, let's [[Nuke
* ''[[Golden Eye 1997 (Video Game)|Golden Eye 1997]]'': One word: Natalya. She is the most irritating character ever. You kill her former friend who is in league with the person trying to kill her, what does she do? Thank you? No, she hates you and refuses to go on. You go into a control room and blow up all the computers except one, what does she do? Insist on using the one you destroyed, IGNORING the one you left, running off and telling you to stop 'clowning around'. After all this, it's satisfying to just shoot the damn bitch and be done with it.
* ''[[LEGO Island (Video Game)|LEGO Island]] 2'' was a HUGE offender on Castle Island. Apparently the Brickster broke the bridge between the two smaller islands, and now the neighbors can't battle. First of all, if you look at the bridge, it's a ''five-foot gap''. They could easily just jump the gap, cut down some of the trees and lay them across it, or swim across it, but instead, they make Pepper do all of the work by making HIM repair the bridge himself. Secondly, ''how the heck is it a bad thing that the war is postponed?'' Once you get all that ridiculous crap over with, you have to win a joust, and there's one point where you have to get a horse, which the people up in the castle just toss down from the top. How did the horse get up there at all, and how did he get thrown down so easily without a scratch? Once you get the joust done, you have to battle Cedric by using cannons. Okay, if the war was postponed, why couldn't they use the cannons? What's even stranger is how the cannons can't be destroyed if you're not in them.
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* ''[[Resident Evil 2 (Video Game)|Resident Evil 2]]'': By the start of the game the zombie apocalypse is roughly two days old, the Police/Army/Umbrella mercenaries have been nearly completely wiped out, half the city is on fire, and apparently the news of the situation has spread far enough for the government to consider ''nuking the city.'' This is where we find a comically oblivious truck driver who acts in complete shock when a guy bites into his bicep. [[Too Dumb to Live|Where and what has he been doing for the last few days... were the thick plumes of smoke and the blood soaked streets not enough of a clue something big was going down?]]
** The extent of the destruction is largely only depicted in the sequels to RE2, but it still seems very odd that --as the gun shop owner can attest-- no one noticed ''anything'' amiss until the streets were completely overrun with zombies.
* ''[[Saints Row the Third (Video Game)|Saints Row the Third]]:'' As well as massive parts of [[Hype Backlash]], [[Badass Decay]], [[Sequelitis]], [[Show, Don't Tell]], [[Informed Attribute]], overdose of [[Bottom of the Barrel Joke]]-type gags, and [[Took a Level In Jerkass]] along with a helping of [[Obvious Beta]] involving the story, the game really hits the wall in the second last level. After pissing off both [[Smug Snake|Killbane]] and [[He Who Fights Monsters|Cyrus Temple]], their resulting factions get into an all out war on the streets. Upon dealing with it to the best of your abilities {{spoiler|[[The Scrappy|Angel]] calls you up to inform you that Killbane is leaving. Wait, but didn't you already humiliate him and destroy his reputation? Angel said just a short while ago that killing him isn't needed. So why do we have to...Wait, now we just got a call from Maria Hill-I mean, [[Punny Name|Kia]], Temple's second in command. She tells you her master plan to frame the Saints as Domestic Terrorists by blowing up a monument along with a hell load of Saints, including [[Character Derailment|Shaundi]]. Wait, and she decided to call you while you still have time to stop her? So, you have to choose: Kill the man you've already broke along with the game's biggest scrappy, or stop Kia and save the girl who ''became'' a scrappy during the plot. If you chose ending A, the boss will have a quick time [[Curb Stomp Battle]] instead of a real fight, making the final confrontation incredibly boring. Then, once he's beat, he just waits around until the statue is blown up instead of getting off his ass and trying to postpone the attack. If you chose Ending B, you get a [[Carbon Copy]] of the Veteran Child bossfight from the last game, and the Saints go on to learn nothing from their experience and return to being media whores.}} Thankfully each one leads to a different but awesome final level, this along with various other points in the story is enough to make fans of the previous installment regret buying this game.
* In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Video Game)|The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'', just before your {{spoiler|second fight with Ghirahim, he shows Link a painting that depicts two Gates of Time; one that Impa destroyed in Lanaryu Desert, and other in the Sacred Grove that you're trying to activate, which Ghirahim is trying to find. While Link never reveals its location, he doesn't bother to tell the Priestess that Ghirahim is looking for the gate, which he not only eventually finds, but uses it to drag Zelda to the past and revive his master, Demise, setting up the curse of Ganon's various appearances throughout the series. While there have been moments in the franchise where the heroes or the villains have had their plans thwarted by the [[Idiot Ball]], this one arguably takes the cake.}}
* ''[[Max Payne 3]]'' contains many instances, but one that stands out in particular is when Max finally gets to the location where the wife of his {{spoiler|now dead}} employer is being held hostage, along with another girl he is sworn to protect. You'd expect for his to quietly take down them hostage-takers quietly, or at the very least, wait to they leave. What does Max do? {{spoiler|He charges on in loudly proclaiming his entrance, all in front of ''about a dozen enemies''. Not surprisingly, the wife gets killed}}. At this point, it is hard to buy Max as anything but an incompetent buffoon.
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