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== [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] ==
 
== Chaos has already won ==
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== Sigmar was a Primarch. ==
It was said that Sigmar came into the world through a twin-tailed comet. Several of the Space Marine Primarchs of [[Warhammer 4000040,000]] also fell to their respective worlds from the sky when they were separated, and like Sigmar came to legendary stature.
* No, the comet simply heralded Sigmar's birth, as it has done for many great events. The destruction of Mordhiem and the beginning of the Storm of Chaos, for example. Sigmar had a mother and a father like everyone else. See the novel ''Heldenhammer'' for more details.
* Literally correct. Sigmar ''was'' once one of the un-accounted-for primarchs. This has since been [[Retcon|ret-conned]] out of existence (several editions ago now. Warhammer and Warhammer 40000 no longer share a fictonal universe).
** That's what they say. Anyone who was around for the aftermath of Albion may disagree...
*** I call Mutiverse on that! They may not be in the same universe, but they could be in the same multiverse linked by the Warp. In the 40K comic Bloodquest the Blood Angels fight beastmen in on a demon world.
**** Just like orcs, goblins, men, elves, daemons, dwarfs, ogres, halflings, zoats, slann and old ones; beastmen appear in both Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 (and most of them are in Blood Bowl too, which is seperate again from the other two) but do not necessarily coexist.
*** Chaos mutations do all kinds of crazy shit.
 
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The Earth connection is pretty much confirmed by the presence of Genevieve Dieudonne on two Earths (the "Anno Dracula" universe and the "Diogenes Club" universe) [not to mention the shape of the continents--[[Filby]]]. For the Disc connection see the GURPS/WFRP adventure ''Meals on Wheels'', which portrays the same events happening in both worlds. The adventure equates Altdorf to Ankh-Morpork, with Filthy Harald Kleindeinst paralleling Commander Vimes and Leonardo da Miragliano paralleling Leonard of Quirm. (Yes, they're both based on Earth figures originally, but surely that only proves the Warhammer world follows the [[Theory of Narrative Causality]]?)
* Filthy Harold is a direct expy of [[Dirty Harry]], with the exact same character traits and back story. Plus the name, of course.
** And so, at least in part, is Sam Vimes. "This is Lord Mountjoy Quickfang Winterforth IV, the hottest dragon in the city. It could burn your head clean off. Do you feel lucky?"
** Hell, The Night Watch's motto is "Fabricati Diem, Pvnc".
** I'm not sure Genevieve is canon any more. Vampires are a lot less tolerated and a LOT meaner in modern editions.
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== There is a major power opposed to Chaos that has not yet been revealed ==
Sotek and Sigmar came to be at the same time. Both came to be saviors of the races that now worship them as their prime gods when those races were at the cusp of extinction (the Lizardmen were being overrun by the Skaven, humans would never have formed lasting nations if Sigmar had not united them and led them against a huge Waaagh!). It is these races that have been largely responsible for beating Chaos back for the last 2500 years, as the Elves and Dwarves decline.
 
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* You missed one: the powers of Law. Some editions of WFRP mention gods of law (although this troper is going on something seen in a bookshop five years ago, since he didn't have the money to buy the main rulebook; help from any WFRP players would be appreciated). One of the ''Konrad'' novels features a prophet who used to be a freakin' ''Daemon'' but somehow managed to stop. The Powers of Law could have been [[The Man Behind the Man|The Beings Behind The Old Ones]].
** White Dwarf once released an article detailing conversions for an Army of Law using the Chaos models and army list. They're at least semi-canon.
*** They do exist, but are not as well known as Chaos. They and their followers are regarded with distrust by the Empire, but this being Warhammer, one, they deserve that reputation, and two, not making worship of them punishable by death is very benevolent by their standards. They are [[Holy Hand Grenade|Allum]][[Light Is Not Good|inas]], a [[Eldritch Abomination]] that rules over light, [[Sealed Good in a Can|Arianka]], a goddess locked in a crystal tomb by the Gods of Chaos, and [[Pay Evil Unto Evil|Solkan the Avenger]], [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|who does exactly what his name suggests]]. The Daemon Prophet can possibly be a follower of them (though I didn't read that book), since the Gods of Law can be described as daemons of the patterns within randomness. All gotten from [http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gods_of_Law here]. Sadly, the only one that is remembered is Solkan, who is occasionally mentioned in the novels.
 
== The Dark Elf god Khaine is Khorne ==
Four main bits of evidence: they sound the same, they're both patrons of killing, they both favour their worshippers being bloody to the elbows, and the Witch Elves (Khaine fanatics) have as their banner icon a very slightly elfish version of ''the mark of Khorne''.
* See above, Khaine is likely a mix of Khorne and Slaanesh.
** I like to think of Khaine being the god of sadism, and Khorne being mindless rage and murder. Big difference.
 
== Male Bretonnian children taken by the Wood Elves become Green Knights. ==
Wood Elf magic is responsible for the Blessing of the Lady; Wood Elves steal children, and train the girls to become Damsels (the most powerful one is even called the [[The Fair Folk|Fey]] Enchantress) but no-one knows what happens to the males. Furthermore, no-one knows where the Green Knight comes from, he just shows up [[Genius Loci|to defend places sacred to the Lady]] - so maybe "he" is really a [[The Chosen Many|Green Knight Corps]] of Wood Elf [[Tyke Bomb|Tyke Bombs]]. They're dressed as Bretonnian knights because the Elves want the xenophobic Brets to revere them as a mythical chivalric figure - the tendency of knights to identify each other by heraldry and the Green Knight's [[The Faceless|refusal to remove his helmet]] combine to create the legend of an omnipresent unkillable being.<br />* So to conclude, the Green Knight is actually [[The Chosen Many]] [[The Faceless|Faceless]] [[The Fair Folk|Fair Folk]] [[Genius Loci]] [[Knight Errant]] [[Tyke Bomb|Tyke Bombs]] with [[Legacy Immortality]]. [[Trope Overdosed|Enough tropes for ya?]]
* A few points: First of all, the Wood Elves ''might'' be responsible for the Blessing of the Lady. Or she might actually be a goddess. Or she might a manifestation of the land of Bretonnia similar to the Forest Spirits of Athel Loren, but unconnected to them. Second, the children trained to become Damsels are not kidnapped by Wood Elves. They are visited by the Fay Enchantress, who takes them away with her to be trained (the parents are aware and consider this a great honor).
 
== There is a grand total of one 40K immigrant in WFB, and that is Grombrindal ==
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== Warpstone is a kind of Chaos-infused hard cheese ==
The moon is made of it and rats like to eat it. QED.
Combined with [[Zero Punctuation|Branston Pickle]] between two slices of [[Discworld|Dwarf Battle Bread]], it makes a sandwich capable of bringing about Ragnarok.
** Probably not, since [[Discworld]] dwarfs don't actually eat dwarf bread. It might make a formidable weapon, though. And surely you mean "Branston Pickle spread onto [[No More Heroes]]", right?
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Chaos has as much to fear from the undead overrunning the world as anyone, maybe more. There would be no more war, lust, disease or hope - only a fixed, unchanging immortality where nothing will ever grow or change.
 
== The Warhammer world is a world in the [[Warhammer 4000040,000|40k galaxy]] within the eye of terror ==
There were too many connections between the two universes to say that they were completely separate. However, the world was not exactly an average world either. This is because the Warhammer world was located smack-dab in the middle of the Eye of Terror, the influence of the warp allowed the more fantasy elements in the world to exist. The power of Chaos held supreme in the world (Chaos wastelands, the Skaven) with opposing factions struggling to keep them at bay. This also explains why many of the 40k races and elements managed to exist in one world.
 
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