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** This troper doesn't know of that much, but his mom's japanese friend says that some projects for people learning to be a translator actually ''do'' watch the cartoons in their native language and then a dub (or vice versa) so they can learn how translation works, same with comic strips but once more, [[Your Mileage May Vary]] on that.
** Odd question. As far as I can tell no. The only particularly popular western animations in Japan (to my knowledge at any rate) are Disney/Pixar and (for some reason) Tom and Jerry, but I've never heard of any of those being subbed. Of course Tom and Jerry don't really speak, which might explain it's international appeal (I also personally find it to be one of my favorite cartoons, but that's beside the point).
** As a matter of fact, it happens! The [[Call of Duty]] video game series has run into this in Japan. ''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2'' and ''[[
* I'm the guy who, two threads above, explained why he loves the cartoons from the 1980s so much, even though they're not really Cartoonists' Cartoons, to borrow the Original Poster's term. Now, I'd like to turn the question around. I've been looking into the claims made by [[Ren and Stimpy|John Kricfalusi]] out of curiosity, and also admittedly in part because I was irritated by his condemnation of the shows I liked as a kid. Kricfalusi keeps talking about how artists should be the ones doing cartoons, and that animation should be "cartoony"...but does that mean that all Western animation can only follow in the footsteps of [[Looney Tunes]]? It's almost never the animation that attracts me to a cartoon-it's the writing and the concept behind it. I don't even ''like'' cartoony stuff-I outgrew [[Looney Tunes]] a long time ago, and as I kid I wasn't impressed either by [[The New Adventures Of Mighty Mouse]] or [[Ren and Stimpy]], which I found nauseating, unfunny and painful to watch. When I saw Kricfalusi's comments about the '80s cartoons he hated, I got the impression that he was looking down on the unwashed Philistines like me who actually ''enjoyed'' that stuff. So, in essence, I'm asking-how prevalent is that type of John K. mentality among cartoonists and animators? I'm not an animation expert, just a curious casual fan, so take my questions for what they're worth.
** If you were to ask John K "Why do all cartoons have to follow in the steps of Looney Tunes?", his reply would be "They don't. But why can't at least a few do that?" The way John K (and his fans) see it, cartoons like Looney Tunes and Ren and Stimpy is the lively sort of stuff that animation was made for, whereas other shows lack the sort of expression that cartoonists enjoy and find to be cartoony. A John K follower would say that if you want to "forget what animation is about, fine - but why can't cartoonists get some stuff they enjoy from their own dang medium? We don't even get one every decade." Simply put, John K thinks that you can enjoy your eighties cartoons if you want to, but he wants more of the stuff that in his opinion, defines the animation medium.
*** If John K thinks I can enjoy my '80s cartoons, why does he spend so much time attacking animation writers who can't draw? I can't draw, and if I were ever to become a TV writer, most of what I'd like to do (stuff similar to ''[[Batman:
*** (To the guy above) 1. THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT. You cannot draw, and supposedly, you don't practice drawing, you've never tried to draw seriously. Therefore, even if the animation is fucking ugly and eye-burning, it doesn't bug you. However, for artists (which [[No True Scotsman|dominate the mature audiences still into cartoons]]), pseudo-realistic Hanna Barbera stuff of the 80s is atrocious and a crime against animation and something that shouldn't have ever existed. 2. Why do you even watch animated shows then if you don't give a damn about the quality of the artwork? I assure you there are tons of live action TV shows that have just as great of a "story and concept behind it". 3. John K writes his blog for people that want to learn to draw like him, and most of it is dedicated to writing about classic principles of animation, he bashes stuff whenever he wants to give an example of how you should not draw if you chose to go the classic way. 4. [[Looney Tunes]] was originally made for adults - they were shown in theatres as a short addition to the main feature. No one ever took children to theatres back then. Saying you "outgrew" [[Looney Tunes]] is like saying you grew out of eating chocolate.
*** "Guy above" here again. The reason I watch animated shows is the same reason I watch live-action shows like [[CSI]], namely that they have a story and concept that appeal to me. Why should I only watch one or the other? As for outgrowing Looney Tunes, perhaps it would be better for me to say that I just lost interest in it and it doesn't appeal to me anymore.
**** I aspire to go into animation, and I ''can'' draw. However, unlike John K., I value the writing of an animated production over the visuals. One thing one must consider is that the opinions of a specialist will always be different from the opinions of the mainstream. Good writing carries an animated show's ratings far more than the visuals. Some key examples are ''[[The Simpsons]]'', ''[[South Park]]'', ''[[Crayon Shin
*** "2. Why do you even watch animated shows then if you don't give a damn about the quality of the artwork? I assure you there are tons of live action TV shows that have just as great of a 'story and concept behind it'." So, wait, we need to ''justify'' our decision to watch animation as opposed to live action? Who died and made live action the default?
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** Same reason as the kids being tiny from about halfway up this list: Exaggeration. If attention must be drawn to the moon, like when someone's in a romantic mood...or a wolfy mood, the moon will be drawn larger to make sure you, the audience, will pay attention to it.
* An inquiry of my own, if anyone can answer: Why is there so little overlap between voice actors for American animation and for [[Anime|Japanese animation]]? That is, guys like [[Tress MacNeille]], [[Maurice
** The Gap between Californian based voice talent for Video Games and North American Animation is getting smaller than it use to be but only for North American animation as Voice Actors whom are known in Anime English dubs are appearing more frequently in North American Animation. [[Steven Jay Blum]] and [[Kari Wahlgren]] are the most known examples of this (in which the latter some people even wonder if she is even a Anime VA anymore) however folks like [[Dave Wittenberg]] and [[Yuri Lowenthal]] are appearing a bit more often as well. Sure there are Californian Anime English Dub Voice Actors whom have had little to no roles in a North American animated show/movie but that is starting to decrease. However the idea of a Voice Actor whom is known in North American animation is still a rarity in Anime English dubs with only a few exceptions such as [[Cam Clarke]] (then again he did have a good history with anime ever since the 80s). Issues such as on how North American animation generally have higher budgets than Anime English dubs and on how the Union system is generally more consistent and more likely to treat you better are probably reasons why.
*** However there is a little bit of [[Values Dissonance]] here as in Canada especially with studios such as [[The Ocean Group]] there is very little to no gap as just about any Voice Actor that has ever worked in places such as Vancouver have been in plenty of Anime English Dubs and North American Animation just about equally. To a much lesser extent the same thing can be said about New York (but to be fair there are a lot more Anime English Dubs than North American Animation voiced in New York).
**** So is it based around location? I've heard about this being the reason why [[Dan Green]] works almost exclusively for 4KidsAnimation--because it's the only voice acting studio in New York. I listed the actors above in the initial post because they have all done a LOT of roles and continue to do plenty of voice acting to this day, but with the exception of video game voicing, they've only ever done one or the other. I've actually heard about an American animation voice actor (probably [[Billy West]]) lamenting how anime voice actors get big fandoms (especially Vic Mignogna and [[Johnny Yong Bosch]]) while guys like him have to stand back quietly and don't get the same kind of name recognition. That's part of why I posed the question. Assuming Billy West did say that, why doesn't he go and audition for [[FUNimation]] or [[Viz Media]] or [[Bang Zoom]] or whatever? He is an extremely talented guy, a true successor to [[Mel Blanc]], so I'm sure anime studios would appreciate his help.
* Why does every child's show have to have an aesop? It seems like aesops are all some people look for in children's shows. This is understandable if the show is meant to be educational ([[
** So parents see it as something other than brain-rotting flickers of light. If they see positive messages in the shows, the'll let their kids watch.
*** Plus, networks often mandate these shows to be educational.
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