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** Throughout wrath, the fanbase bitched ''non-stop'' about how "easy" the heroics were. (ignoring, of course, that they were "hard" before people started running them in Naxx gear or with heirlooms.) Then when the last three Wrath heroics were added, they bitched about how "hard" they were and would constantly [[Rage Quit]] the halls of reflection. When Cataclysm was released, what was everyone's response to the heroics? That they're [[Face Palm|too hard]]. Of course nowadays, nobody complains about how "hard" they were because just like Wrath, they all outgeared the heroics enough to just rush through.

** For that matter, they complained about the needless amounts of [[Fake Difficulty]] in the game, alleviating the Catch22 situations. Now they complain about "Wrath babies" or "noobs" running their heroics.

* [[Bittersweet Ending]]

** Badlands: {{spoiler|Rheastrasza is destroyed, along with the egg she and the player worked so hard to keep hidden from Deathwing. The "sweet" part comes in when it is revealed that, though she and the egg were destroyed, it was [[Batman Gambit|all part of the plan]]: She knew Deathwing would find her, so she trusted the cleansed black dragon egg with another ally and replaced it with [[Heroic Sacrifice|one of her own]].}}

** Deathwing is an unrepentant mass murderer, who coldly murdered most of his and the blue flight and who covertly helped the Orcs gain control over his rival, Alexstrasza, who he kept as his unwilling consort for a time. His act of entering the world (though admittedly rather awesome) kills countless innocents and causes almost incalculable environmental damage, and he has a genocidal hatred of anyone who isn't a black dragon (and considering the twilight flight even they may be expendable eventually).

** Worst of all are the Old Gods. They have caused quite a few atrocities in Azeroth's history (they corrupted Deathwing and in turn are indirectly responsible for all of his crimes, and in turn the nexus war), and seem to be intent on destroying the world [[For the Evulz|solely to create chaos.]]

** Sargeras and Archimonde are both heartless lunatics who love killing things and who have destroyed countless worlds.

** Depending on how you [[Alternate Character Interpretation|view him]] {{spoiler|Gallywix}} may qualify. And for good reason, he is a callous [[Jerkass]] whose crimes include: {{spoiler|selling the player and others into slavery after he made them give up their life savings, leaving the goblins behind to take over Azshara, enslaving the goblins in a mine called the Gallywix Reeducation Cavern, and employing abusive Hobgoblin slavemasters. He was even attempted at a last-ditch attempt to kill Thrall (right before he was re-appointed leader). Constantly taunting you in the second half of the starting experience doesn't help matters either. There's even a Goblin NPC who calls him a monster.}}

** Due to guild advancement/achievements now giving guild perks, it will be considerably easier to do this. The more achievements and guild XP for things like old world raids, the better perks you get, like instantly teleporting the entire raid to your position.

*** The Halls of Reflection was this for some people. (note: for some) It required perfect cooperation with the group to survive the waves. Wiping on a wave before the two bosses (before 5th and 10th) required you to start over from the first and sixth waves, respectively. It was also common for random players to drop group [[Beyond the Impossible|as soon as Halls of Reflection showed up as the random heroic]].

* [[Fan Dumb]]: The official forums aka the "Bitch Board" is pretty much full of nostalgia-blinded people and highbrow elitists who trash about how there are people who didn't have to do what ''they'' did back in the original game. No matter ''how'' bad of a financial decision it was to not let gamers see higher-level content. (Granted; it wasn't ''all'' Blizzard and Vivendi's fault there, some people were left out because of player created catch-22 situations and they didn't expect people to abandon low-pop servers and get people stuck waiting for a group that almost never forms.)

** And that's only the general forums. Each sub-forum seems to have its own Fan Dumb that does nothing but whine and complain about whatever the subject of the board is. For example, the class forums are often less filled with constructive advice on how to improve the class so much as they become slagging matches between users about how the class developers favor some classes over others. The story forums are more or less the same, just replace 'classes' with 'factions' and 'class developers' with 'creative developers'.

* [[Fan Hater]]: One of the most plagued games by this. Many fanhaters also refuse to acknowledge that the game actually ''isn't'' addictive and it's not causing the players to give up their lives.

** Mentioning [[WoW]] is practically taboo in the Guild Wars community. Anyone suggesting implementation of a feature from or making a comparison to [[WoW]] on a Guild Wars fan forum is quickly shot down by legions of other members insisting "Guild Wars is nothing like that piece of crap" and all but calling the initial poster an idiot for liking [[WoW]]. Invariably at least one person will bring up the Skinner box argument that "you only enjoy it because they're manipulating your psychology." This really is the case with GW fans and any P2P MMO (Aion, Rift, etc... SWTOR is the current punching bag), but [[WoW]] is generally the most loathed.

* [[Foe Yay]]: In ''Wrath of the Lich King'', the Lich King and Tirion Fordring have it in spades.

* [[Play the Game, Skip the Story]]: Most players ignore what NPCs actually ''say'' and just look at the quest requirements. Story? Plotting? To the majority of players, it may as well not exist. Interestingly, Blizzard is aware of this and [[Word of God]] says that quest designers are explicitly limited in the amount of text they can put into a quest description to avoid "Too Long Didn't Read" syndrome.

* [[Replacement Scrappy]]:

*** Though, since Thrall has become more and more of a blatant [[Creator's Pet]] throughout Cataclysm, more and more players are changing their minds about this, and now there is a new outcry starting {{spoiler|now that the creators have stated their intent to reinstate Thrall as Warchief at the end of [[Mo P]].}}

** Some fans see Lor'tbemar as this to Kael'thas as leader of the Blood Elves. It didn't help when Kael got [[Killed Off for Real]].

* [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap]]: Arguably happens to Garrosh in Cataclysm. Then he is a villain in the next expansion.

* [[Ruined FOREVER]]: Former forum user Palehoof gives a good rundown [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677635725 of all of the various changes Blizzard has made to the game that supposedly ruined World of Warcraft forever] (up to and including paid-for vanity pets). He was a [[Ascended Fanboy|Forum MVP]] for good reason.

** Put it this way: {{spoiler|Cairne "Nice-grandfatherly-type-who-wants-to-teach-and-nurture-all-of-you" Bloodhoof ''tries to kill him!''}}

** And ''Cataclysm'' gives us an even bigger Scrappy in the form of Trade Prince Gallywix, leader of the playable Bilgewater Goblins. Even Garrosh has some defenders in the fanbase, and Fandral at least has some people who sort of feel sorry for him, but Gallywix is pretty much universally loathed, and for good reason. {{spoiler|When Kezan's volcano explodes, he extorts your goblin character's life savings in an apparent deal to save you and your friends from certain death, only to reveal that the rescue boat is a slave ship and you're the new cargo. Thrall [[What an Idiot!|reappointing him for]] [[Easily Forgiven|no real reason only makes thing much worse]].}} The only players that like him freely admit that it's ''because'' he's an [[Faux Affably Evil]] [[Jerkass]] or rather accuse his haters of of [[Values Dissonance]]. See below.

* [[Uncanny Valley]]: Quite a lot to choose from, but the Taunka are probably the worst. Bison-people doesn't sound like it'd cause this, but their flat, wide noses and lips and seemingly large eyes make them look more than a little... off.

* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: The "sand pygmies" in Uldum. While almost certainly an attempt to provide generic comic relief mooks, it does carry some, well, unfortunate implications.

** Except actually not... the Lich King implies he can kill you at ''any'' time. In fact, if you go too close to him in one part of the world, he ''does'' kill you. But he [[I Need You Stronger|keeps you alive, specifically so you can get stronger]] and lets you kill all his lieutenants and undead armies so he can raise you as his new lieutenants, a lot stronger than the previous ones. In fact, if you fight him, he does ''just that''.

** However, if he could kill you at any time, and had an army that could overrun the planet without him keeping then in check, why did he need the players as new champions? Him getting duped into becoming the Lich King by Ner'zhul and the dreadlords was still nagging at him. He wanted to prove to himself that he was not weak, and that heroes getting corrupted was just the way of things... that can seem a little weak, especially with all the theatrics. His pride and self-doubt were holding this evil overlord back.