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* [[Acceptable Targets]]: Fandral Staghelm was the most hated faction leader of the Alliance. [[The Scrappy|Garrosh Hellscream (though he has gotten better), Trade Prince Gallywix]], and Sylvanas are the most controversial Horde leaders. On the lighter side, there's the widely practiced and highly enjoyable sport of gnome punting, popular in ''both'' factions, but most especially among the Tauren. Blood elves are also frequently mocked as being too Alliance-y (or feminine) for the Horde.
* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Arthas. Despite being what he is, surprisingly, this one is played DEAD STRAIGHT by giving him a [[Tear Jerker]] farewell.}}
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]. Many for the faction leaders. One debate is whether General Hawthorne, who destroyed Camp Taurajo, was a war criminal responsible for civilian deaths or someone who tried to win while showing more mercy than his comrades.
* [[Alt-Itis]]: Just about everybody who plays the game for long has multiple characters. Even if it isn't to experience life in the opposite faction, there are still six races per faction and ten classes, not to mention the advantages of having multiple professions available on one account. Some players ''never'' get a character to max level, instead rolling dozens of alts. And then Blizzard added the Recruit A Friend program, allowing players to level alts with their friends at triple the normal rate.
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* [[Base Breaker]]: Arthas (as a Paladin), Varian, Garrosh, Sylvanas, and Gallywix.
** Thrall as of Cataclysm. A common fan sentiment is that they "like Thrall, but ''hate'' [[The Messiah|"Go'el"]]".
* [[Be Careful What You Wish For]]: Every time a class bitches enough to get class buffs or reworks, you can bet your bottom they'll be complaining [[
** The fanbase complained about long convoluted attunement quest chains and being unable to complete them because [[Can't Catch Up|nobody would lift a finger to help]]. Now that that's no longer required and you don't have to run a dozen dungeons (That nobody wants to do anymore) and hope your token actually drops so guilds will look in your general direction. Then they complained about how annoyingly hard the game was only now are complaining about "Casuals" taking over the game. (Don't try pointing out that there are in fact heroic raids meant ''specifically'' for these "Core" players, or that they offer stronger gear and require much more coordination than raid finder - they're not listening.)
** Throughout wrath, the fanbase bitched ''non-stop'' about how "easy" the heroics were. (ignoring, of course, that they were "hard" before people started running them in Naxx gear or with heirlooms.) Then when the last three Wrath heroics were added, they bitched about how "hard" they were and would constantly [[Rage Quit]] the halls of reflection. When Cataclysm was released, what was everyone's response to the heroics? That they're [[Face Palm|too hard]]. Of course nowadays, nobody complains about how "hard" they were because just like Wrath, they all outgeared the heroics enough to just rush through.
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** ''Mists of Pandaria'' seems to be causing this too.
** Also, PVE vs. PVP. Players will pull up unoriginal insults akin to [[Fantastic Racism]] without the "race".
* [[
* [[Complete Monster]]: Quite a few villains qualify, although overall most of them tend to be Anti-Villains.
** Loken from Wrath of the Lich King murders his sister in law and frames his brother's friends for it, causing a needless war, warps his brothers dragon into a monstrosity, and tries to brainwash Thorim.
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*** "An individual who wields Frostmourne will not part with it willingly. Over time the person will go from good to neutral and finally to evil. A non-undead evil wielder will then become undead. Finally the sword is able to suck the being's soul into the sword."
** Chargla Razorflank sells her own people to the Scourge.
** [[Deceptive Disciple|Gul'dan]](despite being [[Faux Affably Evil]]) who voluntarily corrupted his people into a bloodthirsty horde which [[The Man Behind the Man|he secretly controls]], planned the genocide of the Draenei and brought the Orcs into Azeroth so they could trigger two wars. He also created Garona as a "breeding experiment" between an Orc soldier and a female Draenei prisoner, after that she was magically aged, tortured and mind controlled into becoming his personal assassin. Finally, [[
** Kael'thas gets changed into this in The Burning Crusade, although your Mileage May Vary. He becomes a power hungry lunatic who seeks to sacrifice an innocent girl in order to bring his master Kil'Jaeden into the world, who incidentally is the one who gave the order for the destruction of Kael'thas's home (well not him directly, but he and Archimonde would have certainly authorized it and he DID create the Scourge for use against Azeroth).
** Deathwing is an unrepentant mass murderer, who coldly murdered most of his and the blue flight and who covertly helped the Orcs gain control over his rival, Alexstrasza, who he kept as his unwilling consort for a time. His act of entering the world (though admittedly rather awesome) kills countless innocents and causes almost incalculable environmental damage, and he has a genocidal hatred of anyone who isn't a black dragon (and considering the twilight flight even they may be expendable eventually).
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** Depending on how you [[Alternate Character Interpretation|view him]] {{spoiler|Gallywix}} may qualify. And for good reason, he is a callous [[Jerkass]] whose crimes include: {{spoiler|selling the player and others into slavery after he made them give up their life savings, leaving the goblins behind to take over Azshara, enslaving the goblins in a mine called the Gallywix Reeducation Cavern, and employing abusive Hobgoblin slavemasters. He was even attempted at a last-ditch attempt to kill Thrall (right before he was re-appointed leader). Constantly taunting you in the second half of the starting experience doesn't help matters either. There's even a Goblin NPC who calls him a monster.}}
** {{spoiler|[[Evil Chancellor|Magatha Grimtotem]], who leads the Grimtotems, who wants eradicate the "lesser races" from Kalimdor and retake the long lost tauren ancestral holdings. And in Cataclysm, she rigs the duel between Garrosh and Cairne by poisoning Garrosh's Axe which caused Garrosh to easily cripple, and [[Killed Off for Real|kill Cairne]]}}
* [[Crack
* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Most of the Goblin starting experience, to wit: One of the focuses right at the beginning is to set everything up for a party, naturally, you succeed and start to have a pretty rad (by Goblin standards) party... only to have it be crashed by ''Party Crasher Pirates''. After the Volcano starts to blow, you're trying to get enough money to get off the Island. So you break into the bank, steal your life savings back, but it's still not enough. So what do you do? Why, burn down your corporate headquarters to get the insurance money, of course! You do this by Overloading your Generator, [[Rule of Funny|turn on your "Leaky Stove"]] And then drop a cigar on your flammable bed. It only goes upwards from there, there are many examples later, but one truly stands out. Once you're on the Lost Isles, a Goblin asks you to take care of a Giant Shark. How do you do this? Well, after getting a bunch of shark bits, he makes a Shark Submarine With [[Austin Powers|Freakin' Laser Beams]], then you fight the Shark in it.
** After his bout with debilitating insanity in ''Wrath of the Lich King,'' Budd Nedreck has stabilized into this.
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** The whole defending the shard thing became really annoying after awhile, so Azuregos entrusted it to a construct of his called Maws, which is a very special minnow. The player has the option of calling him insane for this, while a pleased Azuregos claims to be a genius instead.
*** He gets worse in cataclysm, it's implied being farmed so much may have caused permanent damage to his brain, eventually he decided just to stay dead for a while and wound up ''falling in love with a spirit healer''.
* [[
** Thrall basically tells Vol'jin "look, our people ''really'' hate the Alliance and want to kill them right now (and I'm busy), so we need a leader who feels the same." Most of the people who disagree with Garrosh and his policies are off with Thrall, fixing the Cataclysm.
*** Not that players who feel more loyal to Thrall than "The Horde" are given any option...
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* [[Darkness Induced Audience Apathy]]: Cataclysm. A nice chunk of the player base thinks that it turned all the major lore characters into a bunch of brooding sociopaths, and anyone untouched is generally pushed into the background. One would believe in the war revolving around this invisible scarcity of resources had it been shown in any zone outside one (Westfall) and if almost all factional settlements hadn't gotten a makeover, contradicting this.
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: The Level 90 [[Elite Mooks|starting zone guards]] for Ammen Vale (which is the Level 1-5 zone for Draenei). They make the "Explore Azuremyst Isle" achievement for the Horde nigh impossible because of bad game design. They can (and will if you're not careful or geared enough) one-shot any maximum level player with ranged or melee damage. Corpse running past them is essential to get the achievement. [[It Got Worse|It gets worse]] from here. Horde Rogues or Mages can't stealth past them. The guards themselves can see through stealth/invisibility and have a really large aggro radius to boot. [[Sarcasm Mode|Have fun!]]
* [[Dork Age]]: A fair few people will say either the first or second expansions were this. The Burning Crusade gets it for the storyline problems already mentioned, a perceived disrespect for the lore and a setting too detached from the rest of the Warcraft world (which has become something of a [[That One Level|scrappy world]] now that vanilla content has been rejigged in Cataclysm, making Outland paradoxically the oldest and grindiest level bracket). Wrath of the Lich King gets it for making heroic dungeons too easy (raid content too at first, but they implemented a lot of optional harder modes with better loot to fix that, not that anyone actually listened), a painful lack of new content for PVPers and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|some really ugly looking gear]].
** It's also worth mentioning that in ''Wrath'', the "too easy" heroics were because more people got geared or would run with geared players and wind up walking through the dungeon so easily and only having trouble with say, Oculus. From 2008-early 2009, most people weren't complaining about heroics being "too easy" unless they were Naxxramas or Ulduar geared. They weren't as hard as the Cataclysm heroics were at launch, however. The Cataclysm heroics also got easier as people with Tier 12 or 13 gear joined the queues, more people learned how to fight the bosses, and as the bosses got a few nerfs.
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]:
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** Next expansion is Mists of Pandaria. Fans backlash and this trope kicks in.
** The backdraft has reached critical status after, at blizzcon 2011, Samwise Didler and Greg "Corpsegrinder" made a song towards the alliance that was little more than a string of homophobic insults and telling alliance to commit suicide, this song stirred people into a frenzy that led to people being attacked for showing their alliance pride, Community manager Bashiok tried to pass it off as being "Just a joke, not to be taken seriously", which made matters worse, blizzard has since owed up to this [http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424798330 and publicly apologized for it].
** Developer statements that, in Mists of Pandaria, {{spoiler|Garrosh will be overthrown as Warchief, with Thrall taking his place,}} have been met with considerable scorn from players. Among others, complaints often came from {{spoiler|fans who are sick of Thrall being, by their view, a [[
** At the start of the Beta for ''Mists of Pandaria'', Ji Firepaw's first interaction with the player was complimenting their skills and being buddy buddy with them (if male) or flirting with them in a very blunt way (if female). Despite being such a small, one-off comment, this line wound up setting off a long backlash about sexism in video gaming. Eventually blizzard caved and changed it, which shifted the problem towards people who liked Ji's characterization as a Chivalrous lech (the lech being a common character in a lot of asian literature.) and how blizzard was caving in to people being overly sensitive. Eventually blizzard settled for having a line of dialogue where Ji [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] this while observing Aysa meditating, worrying if she would find him creepy if he was too forward, or had no personality if he tried to compliment her skill and just that.
* [[Iron Woobie]]:
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** Leyara, in her first appearance, she's a Druid of the Flame and burns Hamuul Runetotem to death ([[Only Mostly Dead|almost]]), after he points out that she killed several of his students, and is seriously pissed of at Malfurion Stormrage for some reason. Later when Malfurion finally confronts her, she strikes him down, and while [[Evil Gloating|gloating]] over how she killed Hamuul, said Tauren appears and kills her. Shortly after, players are mailed a locket found in the Molten Front that reveals that she was the wife of Fandral Staghelm's son, and they had a daughter before he was killed in Silithus; later her daughter was killed during a Horde attack, and she blamed Malfurion for not doing anything to save them. Not surprising she'd follow her father-in-law to joining Ragnaros for revenge.
** Varian Wrynn has a great deal of responsibility for the escalating Horde-Alliance tensions, and is hot-tempered and impulsive, often with many negative consequences.. As a child, he lost his father to Garona and saw Stormwind overrun, lost his wife to the Defias riots, and now has a strained relationship with his son Anduin, which motivates him to try to work on his temper.
* [[It's Easy, So It Sucks]]: Some people are saying this about Wrath of the Lich King and, to a lesser extent, Cataclysm, claiming that getting gear for raids has become too easy and this enables less competent players who would never have been able to raid before to participate. Others, however, believe that [[Growing the Beard|this is an improvement over the grinding required to raid in vanilla and Burning Crusade]].
* [[Jumping the Shark]]: There has been largely two immediate reactions for the Mists of Pandaria expansion announcement regarding the setting and gameplay changes.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Kil'Jaeden, they don't call him [[Meaningful Name|''The Deceiver'']] for nothing.
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** Basic Campfire.
** Theldurin the Lost in ''Cataclysm''. His quest has you chase after, and then procede to land a haymaker on, ''[[Big Bad|Deathwing]], [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|In the face]]''.
** JOHN J. KEESHAN. Yes, he is so awesome his name has to be spelt in all caps at all times.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: So many that they had to be listed on the [[World of Warcraft (Video Game)/Memes|Memes]] page.
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* [[Replacement Scrappy]]:
** Garrosh Hellscream replaced Thrall as leader of the Horde. Considering that Thrall is well-loved both by the player base and in-universe, some of this is bound to happen. Even if Garrosh's character was becoming [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap|more likable and competent]], he would [[Never Live It Down|still get some scrappism ]] for the act of displacing Thrall alone.
*** Though, since Thrall has become more and more of a blatant [[
** Some fans see Lor'tbemar as this to Kael'thas as leader of the Blood Elves. It didn't help when Kael got [[Killed Off for Real]].
* [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap]]: Arguably happens to Garrosh in Cataclysm. Then he is a villain in the next expansion.
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* [[The Scrappy]]: Fandral Staghelm is the game's original [[Jerkass]], albeit with some justification -- seeing your son ripped apart by the Qiraji can't have been good for his morale. {{spoiler|The players hatred of him likely played part in him turning evil in the latest novel, and eventually, becoming a boss in the Firelands.}} Later, Garrosh Hellscream takes the title from him in unequivocal fashion, being introduced in Outland as a barely competent leader who nevertheless comes to stand by [[The Messiah|Thrall's]] right hand in Northrend while being unremittingly hostile to the Alliance and sabotaging his Warchief's attempts to make peace at every opportunity. And he <s> may get to be</s> is the leader of the Horde in ''Cataclysm''.
** Put it this way: {{spoiler|Cairne "Nice-grandfatherly-type-who-wants-to-teach-and-nurture-all-of-you" Bloodhoof ''tries to kill him!''}}
** And ''Cataclysm'' gives us an even bigger Scrappy in the form of Trade Prince Gallywix, leader of the playable Bilgewater Goblins. Even Garrosh has some defenders in the fanbase, and Fandral at least has some people who sort of feel sorry for him, but Gallywix is pretty much universally loathed, and for good reason. {{spoiler|When Kezan's volcano explodes, he extorts your goblin character's life savings in an apparent deal to save you and your friends from certain death, only to reveal that the rescue boat is a slave ship and you're the new cargo. Thrall [[What an Idiot!|reappointing him for]] [[Easily Forgiven|no real reason only makes thing much worse]].}} The only players that like him freely admit that it's ''because'' he's an [[Faux Affably Evil]] [[Jerkass]] or rather accuse his haters of of [[Values Dissonance]]. See below.
*** To be fair it's not that he is hated, a lot of fans actually [[Love to Hate|like him]]. It is more of how he is [[Easily Forgiven|forced as the leader of the goblins]] despite what he has done that gives him his Hatedom.
*** He was a good goblin (by goblin values), and a good villain... but why did Thrall give him leadership of the goblins? This plot point has not yet been explained.
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** By that corollary, many of the parts of the dungeons that involve mandatory escorting, especially The Escape from Durnholde and Halls of Stone, become Scrappy Levels.
** Mankrik's goddamn wife. Takes ''forever'' to find her, even if you use a guide, not least because you think you're looking for a person instead of a poorly-marked corpse. This has led to quite a bit of [[Memetic Mutation]]. In Cataclysm, Mankrik is still alive and has a quest chain a good bit of [[Lampshading]].
* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]:
** BALANCE! Also, many old-school players tend to complain that the game has gotten too easy, while others note that there are challenges available to those who seek them out, and Blizzard is trying to make more content for the majority of players instead of just the hardcore. In general though, people have been saying this pretty much since the first patch, but mysteriously still play.
*** Shamans v Paladins, unique to the Horde and Alliance, respectively, until Burning Crusade. The devs admitted there's no way to balance them while still making their mechanics and abilities unique.
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* [[Vocal Minority]] / [[Silent Majority]]: Did you know there are people who actually ''don't'' play this game for 14 hours a day? Did you know that there are plenty of people who actually play ''other games'' too? Or that there are people in the military playing it, college students, or people with 40-hour-a-week jobs and a family? The way the [[Hate Dumb]] carries on about it, you probably wouldn't believe so.
** Likewise there are often just as many if not more people who are ''glad'' for patch changes than those screaming on the bitch board.
* [[What an Idiot!]]: Garrosh is universally hated by faction leaders(and also by many players, through he has gotten better), due to his utter lack of diplomatic tact and reactions to events that border on the psychotic. After ceding the post of Warchief to him, Thrall counsels Garrosh to trust his advisors (the other racial leaders, Vol'Jin, Cairne, and Sylvanas) and rely on their counsel. Garrosh then turns around and makes personal enemies of two of them; the normally placid Vol'jin threatens to kill Garrosh ''to his face,'' while Sylvanas openly flouts Garrosh's authority and insults him behind his back. Garrosh then ''kills Cairne,'' an almost universally beloved figure among the tauren (and players too), leaving the chieftanship to Cairne's now [[You Killed My Father|extremely pissed son Baine]]. And this is within a couple of months of taking over. Time will tell what other [[Sarcasm Mode|feats of leadership Garrosh will achieve]].
* [[The Woobie]]: All races have their moments be it in-game or in the lore, but Forsaken possibly take the cake. They were killed by either Kel'Thuzad's Plague of Undeath, the Scourge, or Arthas himself after he became a Death Knight, and then reanimated as mindless slaves to the Lich King. After they regained their consciousness and free will, they were driven away from their old homes, lost everything they knew and loved, and left with no place to call home until Sylvanas claimed the Undercity as their home.
** A quote from Forsaken writings sums this up.
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** How often do you pity a dragon? Kalecgos loses the girl he loves, and he watches his ruler go batshit.
** Anveena. She's abducted by almost every villain with a lust for power, she finds out that her parents were never real, and she has to sacrifice herself (and give up her love for Kalecgos) to help the party defeat Kil'jaeden. The poor girl never seems to catch a break.
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]: Malygos is clearly intended to be this.
* [[Woolseyism]]: In the Chinese version, [http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Lord_Marrowgar.jpg Lord Marrowgar] gets a [http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Chinagar.jpg different look] because bones aren't allowed to be shown in video games there.
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