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Take general series tropes to [[Ace Attorney/YMMV|Ace Attorney]], and take tropes specific to [[Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney/YMMV|the Phoenix arc]], or ''[[Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth/YMMV|Investigations]]'' to those pages, please.
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* [[Accidental Aesop]]: Don't use your daughter as a pawn in a criminal scheme. In addition to the character who did this in Phoenix Wright's trilogy, there are about ''four'' characters who do it in ''Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney''.
* [[Broken Base]]:
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* [[Complete Monster]]: {{spoiler|Kristoph Gavin}}. The game itself hints at the fact that he's much more than the series' average [[Smug Snake]]. Expect double portion of horror when in the last case, {{spoiler|you use Apollo's ability to see the reactions of Kristoph's body to his own lies. Pay attention to what lies beyond his glasses, and then scroll down to the back of his hand. * Shudder* }}.▼
*** [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|Both sides end up getting what they wanted]]: the sequels to this game include both a healthy slice of Apollo, as well as Phoenix making a comeback as a lawyer.
** And don't forget the {{spoiler|black Psyche-Locks}} that Phoenix encounters. We never did find out what that was all about. Maybe in GS5...▼
*** Some still view the following games as [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|Phoenix taking away most of the attention from Apollo]], whom is viewed by Apollo fans as the successor to Wright as the series protagonist and titular defense attorney. Wright fans of course simply wanted Wright to return to his position. The developers attempted to compromise and keep the balance by featuring both characters in protagonist roles, in order to please both sides. But ultimately you can't please everybody, evidently.
** It's also possible to [[Take a Third Option]] and enjoy both characters, but dislike the time skip and related case. Considering that the Phoenix arc ended on an [[Earn Your Happy Ending]] moment, ''Apollo Justice'' opens with information that's something of a mood killer, to put it mildly. It's hard to tell whether people hate Apollo himself, the re-characterized Phoenix, or what the ''Apollo Justice'' game itself did to the canon timeline (which goes way beyond [[Fanon Discontinuity]] territory).
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Valant Gramarye: Ok, [[Memetic Mutation|Zak was a jerk]]; almost definitely more of a jerk than Valant. But that doesn't excuse Valant for deciding to {{spoiler|frame him for murder}}, especially when the main motives were jealousy and money. Try telling that to Valant fans though.▼
▲* [[Complete Monster]]: {{spoiler|Kristoph Gavin}}. The game itself hints at the fact that he's much more than the series' average [[Smug Snake]] from the very beginning, and it's made perfectly clear when you have a clear look at his crimes at the end: {{spoiler|destroying Phoenix Wright's career because he got to defend the client Kristoph wanted, murdering that man over a seven year old failed poker game, nearly kidnapped a little girl and traumatized her to the point to where she was deathly afraid of going outside, and gave her and her father an incredibly lethal poison that would kill them horribly without them realizing it}}. Expect double portion of horror when in the last case, {{spoiler|you use Apollo's ability to see the reactions of Kristoph's body to his own lies. Pay attention to what lies beyond his glasses, and then scroll down to the back of his hand}}. *
▲** And don't forget the {{spoiler|black Psyche-Locks}} that Phoenix encounters. We never did find out what that was all about
* [[Contested Sequel]]: Some enjoy the new setting and characters. Others consider it to be the oddball of ''Ace Attorney'' since it barely connects to the first three games. How Phoenix is handled in this game is the biggest point of contention.
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]:
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: The whole incident about Phoenix Wright getting hit by a car and flung into a pole and only suffered a sprained ankle. With his inclusion in ''Ultimate [[Marvel vs. Capcom 3]]'', he had to contend with a variety of attacks, such as [[She Hulk]]'s Level 3 Hyper, which involves getting hit by a car (Sunday Driver, according to her), and her new attack in Ultimate swinging a pole. The best part is that the hit and run incident in the game took place on a Sunday.▼
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** {{spoiler|Kristoph Gavin}} is adored by some fans for his [[Bishonen|handsome looks]], but there isn't much beauty on the inside. It could be said that he's the male equivalent to Dahlia from the previous game. {{spoiler|The parallels go even deeper: both Dahlia and Kristoph make use of poison to goad certain people into offing themselves}}.
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: {{spoiler|The devilishly handsome Kristoph Gavin}}. He's a bastard alright, but at the same time he just looks so ''damn good'' in a suit.
** The same goes for {{spoiler|Daryan Crescend}} once you get past the silly hairdo. He's every bit the handsome pretty-boy as {{spoiler|his bandmate Klavier}}.
** And then there's {{spoiler|the incredibly beautiful gold-digging bitch Alita Tiala, who unsurprisingly has her fiancee Wocky head over heels in love with her}}.
* [[Fanon Discontinuity]]: Some people just can't accept where ''Apollo Justice'' took Phoenix's character, which is probably why Phoenix returns to his original role starting in ''Dual Destines''. Others ignored the game entirely, except for Trucy and Apollo's existence in the office.
* [[Foe Yay]]:
** Phoenix and {{spoiler|Kristoph}} are portrayed as friends. The fandom took it to the next level.
** On a more humorous version is Ema and Klavier. Despite the former claiming to hate the latter all time, they are frequently shipped together with Ema usually depicted as being a [[Tsundere]] towards Klavier. Even some official art give strong vibes of shipping between the two.
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]: In the first installment of the series, Mia's advice to Maya is to give Phoenix "three more years" before calling on his representation in court. {{spoiler|The final trial of Phoenix's career happens during his third year}}.
▲* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: The whole incident about Phoenix Wright getting hit by a car and flung into a pole and only suffered a sprained ankle. With his inclusion in ''Ultimate [[Marvel vs. Capcom 3]]'', he had to contend with a variety of attacks, such as [[She Hulk]]'s Level 3 Hyper, which involves getting hit by a car (Sunday Driver, according to her), and her new attack in ''Ultimate'' swinging a pole. The best part is that the hit and run incident in the game took place on a Sunday.
* [[Ho Yay]]: [[Ace Attorney/Ho Yay|Has a page for it.]]
* [[Idiot Plot]]: Many people think this about
** Case 3 has another idiot moment from one of the witnesses who fails to mention one vital detail in her testimony; she heard the crime take place during the second act and not the third when everyone thought it took place. That could have saved a lot of headaches.
** Even worse was the fact that everyone assumed Machi was an Interpol agent based on the bloody writing. Given how many times something's been written in blood and turned out to be a false lead, you'd think everyone would pick up on that (especially since Apollo claimed that he's read over some of Phoenix's old case files, and Ema {{spoiler|had the same kind of thing happen to her in the SL-9 case}}
* [[Memetic Sex God]]: Klavier Gavin was the former
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: {{spoiler|Depending on your point of view, Kristoph crossed this either when he ruined Phoenix's life, or when he set up the chain of events that led to the near-death of Vera Misham, who he intended to have killed at the ripe age of twelve}}.
* [[Player Punch]]: Mixes with [[But Thou Must!]] in the {{spoiler|flashback trial}}. Phoenix is blissfully unaware that he's about to {{spoiler|present forged evidence, thinking he's riding the easy train to victory}}. Both the circumstances and the context of the rest of the game already make the player aware this will not end well, but they are dragged kicking and screaming into {{spoiler|presenting the evidence}} to move the plot forward. Really makes the player feel like they're responsible for Phoenix's {{spoiler|disbarment}}.▼
* [[Porting Disaster]]: While they did tune up the visuals for the iOS and Android release, the audio came over very muffled and tinny. Also the first case is broken in half in order to make the first half a demo. And we hope you like that first half, because it's the only thing in the port you can play without online access or cellular. While this may not often pose a problem (depending on location), it's especially strange because the "demo" isn't free like it is in the other ''Ace Attorney'' iOS ports.
* [[Replacement Scrappy]]:
▲* [[Player Punch]]: Mixes with [[But Thou Must!]] in the {{spoiler|flashback trial}}. Phoenix is blissfully unaware that he's about to {{spoiler|present forged evidence, thinking he's riding the easy train to victory}}. Both the circumstances and the context of the rest of the game already make the player aware this will not end well but they are dragged kicking and screaming into {{spoiler|presenting the evidence}} to move the plot forward. Really makes the player feel like they're responsible for Phoenix's {{spoiler|disbarment}}.
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** Trucy mixes this due to her [[Be as Unhelpful as Possible]] tendencies ("Take that memory, bury it deep down inside you, and never speak of it again"), but your mileage will vary on how long the trope fits.
** While not outright hated, Klavier Gavin is not as well liked as some of the other prosecutors by the fandom, mostly because of his [[Designated Villain]] status removes the antagonistic conflict that made the other prosecutors rivals. Others feel like a prosecutor that's actually helpful and non-villainous is a refreshing change. Again, how long this trope fits is subjective.
* [[The Scrappy]]: Wocky Kitaki is considered to be among ''the'' most hated defendants, if not characters in the series thanks to his obnoxious "Gangsta" mannerisms and speech patterns, as well as his abrasive attitude. Some people wished that he truly ''was'' guilty so he could be tossed into prison for being such an obnoxious asshole.
* [[The Woobie]]: Apollo is either this or a [[Chew Toy]], depending on how funny you think his suffering is.▼
** Spark Brushel for some, mainly due to how damn ''hard'' it is to find his habit without consulting a guide. Though for some, his helpfulness towards Phoenix later on [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap|saves him from this status]].
** And last but not least, we have the infamous Zak Gramarye and his callous, dickish behavior that played a part in {{spoiler|ruining Phoenix's life}}.
* [[Scrappy Mechanic]]: The various "scientific investigation" segments were widely regarded as being boring and slowing down the game's story. As a result, the two ''Investigations'' games and ''Dual Destinies'' dialed it back to only having fingerprinting and luminol testing segments.
* [[Squick]]: A large portion of the second trial in the game is taken up by the "plot point" of someone stealing Trucy's ''panties''.
* [[That One Level]]: Case 3 ("Turnabout Serenade") thanks to being a major [[Idiot Plot]] that both fails to make sense and makes actually arguing anything about it a challenge. And some of the logical leaps the player is called on to make verge on the nonsensical. It also makes the player watch a long unskippable video multiple times.
* [[That One Puzzle]]: Perceiving Spark Brushel's nervous tic. He has so many tics (something he admits to later on) yet the one that has to be Perceived is among the least obvious ones.
* [[Uncanny Valley]]: Lamiroir's 3D model in the concert video resembles a wax doll on the verge of melting.
** Klavier's 3D model is colored oddly and has this weird gangly-too-skinny look to it.
* [[Unfortunate Character Design]]: Some people find Daryan Crescend's hairdo rather... phallic. With his abrasive, unpleasant personality, players have taken to calling him a figurative ''and'' literal dickhead.
* [[The Untwist]]: You would think that a prosecutor in this series being this nice and friendly outside of court to you must have something to hide. Nope! Klavier Gavin has no dark secrets. He really is just a good guy who's genuinely dedicated to truth and justice.
* [[Values Dissonance]]:
** A recurring fact throughout the game is that it's hard for civilians to acquire guns. This is true in Japan, which has strict gun laws, but in America, it's relatively easy to acquire firearms.
** The same goes for gambling, which is illegal in Japan, but commonplace in the United States.
* [[The Woobie]]:
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** Vera. Dear god, Vera.
** Possibly Trucy as well, especially if you take some lines from Phoenix at the end of the game into consideration.
** Wocky is a [[Jerkass Woobie]], undoubtedly the worst client Apollo gets. In fact he's worse than almost all of Phoenix's defendants [[Ungrateful Bastard|because he doesn't come around by the end]]. But still, {{spoiler|almost getting himself killed and all, lied to concerning this, then realising the truth about Alita}}... He does start to cry at the very end, then abruptly returns to his "gangster" persona before exiting at top speed. It's implied he understands what his father has done for him and that the family will be okay.
** Klavier. It's easy to forget since he's a very laid-back, upbeat guy. But by the time this game has been over, he has {{spoiler|unknowingly helped ruin Phoenix Wright's life over evidence that Phoenix didn't know was forged and was horrified to learn the truth}} as well as had to prosecute {{spoiler|one of his closest friends and bandmates}} as well as {{spoiler|his own brother Kristoph}}. It's especially sad when you finally see {{spoiler|him and Kristoph in the same room, and it's clear that there's a rift between the two brothers with Klavier cowed by his brother's abrasive and [[pun|toxic]] personality}}.
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