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* Ami and Michiru in ''[[Sailor Moon]]'', who happen to have water based abilities, held a swimming race at the start of the episode. Michiru is [[Ineffectual Loner|somewhat suspicious]] Ami slowed down to give her a sporting chance. Naturally, their rematch is interrupted by the end of the episode.
* The entire final episode of ''[[S-Cry-ed]]'' {{spoiler|is a continuation of the fight between the two main characters, Kazuma and Ryuho, which had been interrupted on several different occasions. The second-to-[[Distant Finale|last]] scene of the episode (and the series) has both characters severely injured. It is never explicitly stated who won the fight, although it is popularly believed that Kazuma triumphed based on the fist made by the victor (which is the only thing we see, and in silhouette so that we can't be absolutely sure whether those are Kazuma's scars).}}
* Subverted in the second season of ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]''. Fate and Signum's battles were always interrupted with neither one getting an upper-hand, and on the last episode, the two promised one another to have a rematch sometime in the future to finally decide the better fighter. Thus, the season ends with the question of who's stronger left unanswered, right? Well, while that was the last ''anime'' episode of the season, there was still one [[All There in the Manual|Sound Stage episode left]], and it revealed that those two had more than one rematch, with Signum kicking Fate's ass in the vast majority of them.
** In a straighter example, a [[Comic Book Adaptation|supplementary manga chapter of the third season]] had Signum mentioning a combat tactics exhibition she had with Nanoha which quickly escalated into a bloody brawl. She mentions that the fight ended without a conclusion. This same chapter also involved everyone being compared, trying to determine who was the strongest. No actual fights occurred, thanks to Nanoha redirecting their curiosity with a [[Logic Bomb]].
** And in a special ''[[Nanoha Striker S|StrikerS]]'' chapter released a few years later and [[Time Skip|set a few years later]], Nanoha and Signum get a rematch in another TSAB sponsored event, this time, with the fight shown in full. It began with the two of them fighting with just the basics before going at it with everything they got for the final minutes. {{spoiler|It ends in a draw after both of their last attacks hit home}}. However neither Signum's new Unison or Nanoha's Starlight Breaker (or higher Blaster system levels) are used just to stir things a little more.
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** Played sort of straight on two later occasions: first when Suigetsu and Kisame decide to fight while {{spoiler|Itachi and Sasuke are fighting 1-on-1}}, which is both completely off-screen and turned out to have been interrupted, '''but''' Sasuke tells Suigetsu that he's not strong enough yet. Second, when the fight between Sasuke and {{spoiler|the Raikage}} is interrupted by {{spoiler|Gaara}} stopping an attack by {{spoiler|the Raikage}} that would kill Sasuke but [[Taking You with Me|get himself killed shortly thereafter]], and Sasuke exits by causing a cave-in.
*** The anime avoids the former by showing that before being interrupted Kisame would easily take an advantage (as Sasuke had assumed), because Suigetsu's ability to [[Blob Monster|turn into water to avoid damage]] is useless against Kisame, as he can simply [[Energy Absorption|use Samehada to suck up his chakra anyway]].
* Averted in the manga of ''[[Yakitate!! Japan]]''. In the space between two [[Serious Business|international]] [[Cooking Duel|Cooking Duels]]s, the members of the Japanese team decide to have a practice battle between themselves. But then, a message arrives saying that the next duel has been hurried and is gonna start right away.
* This happened to Jushiro Ukitake from ''[[Bleach]]'' twice. One was the battle he and Shunsui Kyoraku had against Head Captain Yamamoto. Supposedly, they were two of the first to become captains and were chosen by Yamamoto himself, but we never get to see how powerful they are in comparison because the episode ends, and by the next episode {{spoiler|Aizen's treachery is revealed, and they stop fighting each other to fight the real [[Big Bad]].}} Though, the fact that they could hold their own against the man who made Nanao faint just by ''looking'' at her is saying something. The other was when his Lieutenant Kaien Shiba was possessed by a hollow, and Ukitake said he would destroy Kaien's body to destroy the hollow inside and save Kaien's soul, but he collapsed from an attack of his illness before the first blow was exchanged. {{spoiler|It's a little different though, in that Kaien ''dies'' afterward by Rukia's hand.}}
** The Fake Karakura Town arc kind of remedies this, slightly, until Ukitake is impaled by Wonderweiss. [[Tempting Fate|Just]] after telling Kyoraku he's well enough to fight, and defending his mate from Starrk. Kyoraku and Yamamoto have been pulled well out of Informed Ability territory as Combat Pragmatists of differing kinds.
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*** This is because in Batman's comic, people are used to him being awesome. He doesn't need to be a ''[[Memetic Badass]]'' during these times. However, it's always nice to remind people in other comics just how awesome Batman really is.
** While it's not strictly canon, we do get to see Batman and Superman actually go at it in ''{{spoiler|[[The Dark Knight Returns]]}}''. The aged Batman uses x-ray activated homing missiles, a powered exoskeleton, sonic scramblers, acid-to-the-face, the tank version of the Batmobile (driven by Robin), a [[Crazy Prepared|synthesized kryptonite]] arrow (fired by the one armed Green Arrow), and the is helped by the Sun (source of Superman's power) being blotted out thanks to a recent nuclear blast (that Superman was caught in and not yet recovered from). {{spoiler|In the moment of victory, Batman's heart gives out and Superman wins by default}}
{{quote| (Batman's internal monologue): It's been far too long since you knew what it was to be human, Clark, to be vulnerable. I want you to remember this moment with my hands around your throat. I want you to remember the MAN who beat you.}}
*** Of course, it turns out to be [[The Plan]] {{spoiler|to cover his retreat from such a public crime fighting role}} anyways, but still.
** We get to see Batman kick the alien out of Superman with nothing but a Kryptonite ring [[Crazy Prepared|he always carries]] in ''Hush.''
*** To be fair, he doesn't actually win. He just keeps Superman occupied until {{spoiler|Catwoman can threaten Lois and break Poison Ivy's hold over him.}} He states that he could tell that the S-man was holding back unconsciously because it's such a deeply ingrained characteristic to not hurt people. When he's actually under the influence of {{spoiler|Max Lord}}, he puts Batman into traction.
** Of particular note is that despite at least 3 chances to have seen an outcome, we have yet to truly see who would win a fair fight between Batman and his closest [[Marvel Universe]] equivalent in [[Badass]], [[Captain America (comics)]].<ref>Well, technically, Batman's Marvel counterpart would be [[Daredevil]], but that's not the point.</ref>. See:
*** Batman technically won the fight in the ''DC vs. Marvel'' miniseries, but it was only because of a environmental hazard got Cap distracted (a burst water pipe in the sewer they were fighting in, if I remember correctly)
*** In the WWII-era pastiche crossover between the two, they stopped as soon as they realized each of them (they were in their secret identities) were actually Batman/Captain America.
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** [[The Avengers (Comic Book)|The Avengers]] also went up against the [[X-Men]] a few times with similar results.
** This trope was averted in the [[X-Force]]/XFactor fight during the ''Executioner's Song'' [[Crossover]]. X-Factor defeated and captured the X-Force, bringing them in for questioning on the wherebouts of [[Cable]].
* This trope is often averted when [[The Punisher]] fights other heroes, perhaps due to his [[Anti-Hero]] status. Spider-Man, Daredevil, and [[Captain America (comics)]] have all had clear victories over Frank Castle.
 
== [[Film]] ==
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== [[Live Action TV]] ==
* In a recent [[Pair of Kings]] episode, we never do get to find out which twin was born first. To make matters worse, commercials aired for weeks prior promising we'd find out, and the whole episode was drummed up big time.
* In ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]'', Ford and Ronon go toe to toe on two separate occasions but the audience never gets to find out which one would win, mostly because Ronon is the [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] replacing Ford.
** Ronon, being [[The Big Guy]], also gets to spar with Teal'c, [[The Big Guy]] of ''[[Stargate Atlantis|Atlantis']]'' sister show, ''[[Stargate SG-1]].'' Gate fans have likely been waiting for this since the day Ronon was introduced. Neither has the upper hand when Carter breaks it up.
*** Well, Teal'c did manage to draw first blood after an hour long fight, but still, very even.
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** Averted in the first movie, where the entire point is a [[Inevitable Tournament|Rider tournament]]. We see brief flashes of several fights, but see (or learn) the outcomes of the ones that matter. Decade vs [[Kamen Rider Black RX|Black RX]]? {{spoiler|RX dominates most of the fight, but Decade wins in the end}}. [[Kamen Rider Kuuga|Kuuga]] vs [[Kamen Rider X|X-Rider]]? {{spoiler|Kuuga wins it}}. Decade, Diend, and Kuuga vs [[Kamen Rider V 3|V3]], [[Kamen Rider Super-1|Super-1]], and [[Kamen Rider Black|Black]]? {{spoiler|Diend [[Dirty Coward|punks out early]], Kuuga gets eliminated [[Taking the Bullet]] for Decade, and Decade takes out all three opponents at once through clever use of his [[Doppelganger Spin|AttackRide: Illusion]] card.}}
* Averted in the ''[[Power Rangers Dino Thunder]]'' [[Reunion Show]]. The main three [[Power Rangers Ninja Storm|Ninja Storm Rangers]] are brainwashed by Lothor and walk all over their Dino Thunder counterparts. The second time is closer to the trope: they start off using their out-of-suit powers, and the other Ninja Storm Rangers intervene and de-brainwash their friends before anyone morphs.
* [[Averted]] in ''[[Merlin (TV series)|Merlin]]''. Arthur can beat anyone in combat...except Lancelot.
* The TV versions of [[Green Hornet]] and [[Batman (TV series)|Batman]] once had a fight along with their respective sidekicks. Legend has it, Robin was supposed to defeat Kato while Batman and Green Hornet stalemated. [[Bruce Lee]] (Kato) refused to do the episode unless it was changed. The studio relented and there was no clear winner in either fight.
** To say that [[Bruce Lee]] refused is a bit of an understatement. Rather, he was furious that his character was to lose and loudly proclaimed on set that when the cameras rolled, he was going to give Burt Ward a genuine beat down. The producers pacified him by changing the script to have the fight end in a draw.
 
== [[Video Games]] ==
* This is a recurring theme in the video game ''[[Lufia]] 2'' where protagonist and [[Because Destiny Says So|fated hero]] Maxim, an incredibly skilled swordsman, is constantly challenged by other famous warriors, including fellow party members Guy, Selan, and Dekar, to see if he is truly the best. Such duels either occur off-screen with no clear winner given or are never able to occur at all. (though it is usually implied that Maxim would indeed win these fights) The trope is even subtly parodied when Maxim first meets Guy and they challenge each other to a duel, and just as Guy leaps into the air to strike the first blow, monsters literally teleport into the middle of town and the two must join forces to fight them.
* Happens a lot in ''[[Street Fighter]]'' between Ryu and Ken. They've had several off-screen fights to determine who's stronger, with the overall results being a tie, as near as can be determined. It's also subverted in the case of Oro and Akuma: Oro is shown to be ''much'' stronger than Akuma is.
 
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** In yet another ''[[Justice League Unlimited]]'' example, Superman wins via wits even though it's made fairly clear that in a straight-up fight between Superman and Captain Marvel, neither the Man of Steel nor the World's Mightiest Mortal have the upper hand. This is mostly a fan bonus legacy nod to how similar the characters were originally in the comics, though you will have nitpickers complaining the [[Diniverse]] Superman is inconsistently weaker in this adaptation. {{spoiler|It also serves as a bit of a deconstruction of the "Who would win in a fight?" concept, as it's made clear that it's [[Lex Luthor]] who gains the most from two good guys pounding each other.}}
*** It's also a nod to the comic ''[[Kingdom Come]]'', where Superman fights a Luthor-manipulated Captain Marvel - especially obvious with Marvel using the magic lightning against Superman, who is vulnerable against magic. Both fights pretty much ended the same way, though.
* A relatively recent ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' short featured a race between Speedy Gonzales and the Road Runner. The results were obscured when Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote, who had been chasing the duo through the whole cartoon, accidentally overtook them in a rocket car and crossed the finish line ''just'' before them in a cloud of dust. An overlap of [[Evasive Fight Thread Episode]] with the [[Dark Horse Victory]].
** {{spoiler|Though Speedy came in second place, beating the Road Runner in that race.}}
* ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'': Thanks to an unauthorized online leak, much anticipation surrounded the sword fight between Jet (twin tiger-head hook swords) and Prince Zuko (dual dao sabres). Before it came to a clear finish, the two were interrupted by [[Government Conspiracy|the Ba Sing Se law enforcement]], and Jet was arrested.
* Subverted, of all the crazy places, in ''[[The Simpsons]]''. At the end of "The Great Wife Hope", Bart challenges Lisa to a fight to settle the bad blood between them. They jump at each other and the scene freezes and breaks to the start of the credits, {{spoiler|only to [[Subverted Trope|subvert the trope]] and unfreeze a few seconds later as Lisa lays Bart out with a single punch.}}
* The ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'' episode "Fall Weather Friends" was all about a rivalry between Applejack and Rainbow Dash to determine who was the most athletic pony. Rainbow Dash won the most events in an "iron pony competition" between the two of them, but after Applejack objected that Rainbow had an innate advantage in some of the events due to the latter being a pegasus they decided to settle the matter once and for all by competing in a marathon footrace. {{spoiler|The race eventually devolved into the two of them pulling dirty tricks on each other, delaying them both until they wound up tying for last place.}} At the end of the episode they reconcile their grudge and decide to re-run the race fairly, but the credits roll right after they get started.
* Regardless of his speed compared to [[The Flash]], ''[[Robot Chicken]]'' has [https://web.archive.org/web/20111215112641/http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus].
 
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