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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Are there any tropes dedicated to tributes for dead actors, creators, etc. here or on any other troping site? I'm coming off a long editing session so I can't summon the energy to check myself, and I plan to do something related to this once I wake up from my long-put-off sleep.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

What would you say to a category consisting of tropes about bans and the like? (example name: This Index is Banned or something similar and appropriate)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I'd say, "Hello, category."

As far as I'm concerned, anybody can create any category that isn't a duplicate of an existing category, as long as they actually use the category.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Understood.

Regarding Navboxes

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I was trying to create one for the SimpleFlips page, but it wouldn't autocollapse. Is it because it's not an actual templated navigation box, or do I have to do something different if I'm creating one from scratch? My sandbox has what I put together so far for reference.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

May be just buggy. Like PS238/Characters has headers markup present, but doesn't create table of contents.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Those are two completely different issues.

Dealing with the easy one first: PS238/Characters only had three headers before this posting. MediaWiki doesn't generate a table of contents unless there's at least four headers on the page. There is now a TOC on that page, because I took the character names of the first two listed characters (EDIT: and more now, but not yet all) out of the non-standard (and IMHO ugly) markup that somebody added and put the names into header markup while fixing the entries as much as I could. That entire page needs a lot of work; it now has two cleanup boxes at the beginning of the page. That isn't a bug or a feature, it's behaving as designed.

As for the navbox, that might be something that we haven't copied over from Wikipedia yet. This needs to be looked into by a coder who has time, and this weekend isn't a holiday in Canada so that won't be me right now. @GethN7 @Labster @Looney Toons

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

Or like the equal sign within quote template. My point is, it's big, ridden with such quirks, and documentation mostly consists of reminder notes for those who already know how it all works. It's not a programming language. Some parts may indeed work as intended, but with implicit things documentation itself is several more steps away. This adds up.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I may have a holiday but that doesn't mean I have a lot of free time. I'll note that I've only built navboxes by trial and error and I really don't have a deep understanding of them. However, I'll take a look when I have some time. Where is it and what it is it called?

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Took a quick moment to look at it before I have to leave. One thing I see right away:

state = {{{state|autocollapse}}}

should be

state = autocollapse

And you don't even need to do that because according to the Navbox documentation that's the default.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

That might be the crux of it. 6_9 I was copying another template and assumed that had to be left in as is. Thank you.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I cribbed from that annual Academy Award winner template somwhere else, actually - it somehow didn't occur to me to go right to that page, god knows why, but I think I have the important stuff figured out now.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

And that means that I cribbed from somebody who had the parameter wrong. Sorry about that...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Pf, all good, still on me ultimately (though it's good you're double checking the pages).

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

About the edit to my edit in the Film section, yeah, I know the rule about whole-example spoilers, but I kind of figured a movie like The Cabin in the Woods - where it's hard to say anything at all about the plot without giving away a spoiler - might be an exception. But hey, if you say so.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

They';re too new to be out of copyright. {{fairuse}} is the correct license.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

What Rob said. Given the way copyright works currently in the US the images won't be in the public domain until near the end of the century (and with the way Congress keeps extending copyright at the behest of Disney every time Steamboat Willie gets close to entering the public domain, it might never be). And I doubt any of the images have been released under any alternative licensing.

Jlgarfield (talkcontribs)

Hello there. I apolgize about the fact that I didn't get permission to have the His Lie in April paged copied over from TVTropes, but since I wasn't sure what to do (nor do I contribute to this site all that much, for the most part) - I do give my permission for anyone else on this site, at least, to modify it. My apologies for all this.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

This concerns Riddling Sphinx as well as edits I'm about to make to the Yu-Gi-Oh! pages:

The former YGO Wikia had a schism similar to the one between TVT and ATT, with many of the original editors forking off to a newer wiki in protest of Wikia-- er, FANDOM™ and their mostly-unwanted new additions, which I came to sympathize with after learning of it all. Their mission statement is also very much in a similar vein - to be the most high-quality YGO database rather than the most popular (though they would still appreciate the boosts in traffic).

I'm informing you of this mainly to see about eventually changing all the Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia links to Yugipedia ones. I can connect you with the relevant admins/mods if necessary.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the heads-up. No, that won't be necessary. We don't micromanage things like that, we assume our editors know what they're doing. It's only in cases like the recent mini-edit war over the link to that monster girl game that we get involved.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Right on, then. Thank you!

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Been months since I interacted on here in any meaningful sense. I see I have... a lot to catch up with in the meantime, decided I'd cave and join the forum to facilitate that

but anyway how have you been, both here and otherwise?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Been keeping busy, between the wiki, work and writing. Yourself?

I was just about to send the usual "prove you're a human" email to your address before approving your membership, but I think I can dispense with that now -- your account is activated.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Goodie, though I wouldn't have minded the wait too much. :B

I've had... a LOT on my plate as of late, ramifications of current and ongoing sociopolitical events mostly ("occupational" hazard of being black, I guess), been trying to work through various personal issues on top of that. Therapy and meds are now a thing, and I'm trying to regain some sense of "productivity" (in the sense of actually producing and creating, exercising artistic muscle and what not).

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry to hear that things aren't the best... maybe after January matters will improve for all of us.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I highly doubt it, but we'll see.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Know what's wrong with the DW forums?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

From board-to-board messages between Looney Tunes and me, I gather that there was a catastrophic power failure at the hosting ISP. The site wasn't responding at all for a few hours; now it's giving an SQL error instead of content.

Have patience...

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

K, thanks for the explanation. I can wait.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Front page is back, but as of 2020-10-24 22:45EDT attempting to browse the forums or login still results in a SQL error.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It looks like the DB crashed in the middle of something and can't recover. I've contacted the MyBB support community for help.

Sorry for slow response, we were hosting a birthday party all afternoon and this evening until about an hour ago.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

And the forums are back up. It took me a good night's sleep and some SQL work, but I fixed what was borked.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I went poking around, and it seems it does exist as a magazine/show of some short at a casual glance (albeit more than likely not in the form it was being described in those examples you removed). Would you like me to start on that work page to make it easier to head this sort of "people adding examples from a non-existent work" thing off in the future?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, but you're going to have to give us a fair amount of evidence that it actually existed and matches the description we've gleaned from the examples -- both Rob Kelk and I did some thorough searching with two different engines and found no evidence it existed (and at least one discussion on a board from 2009 complaining about its nonexistence). It is, based on the details from the deleted examples both a print-only work and an anime with no less than three seasons plus supplementary specials, as well as a big enough fanbase to have a community to respond vocally to plot developments, but which left absolutely no traces anywhere Google or DuckDuckGo can find them. And Wikipedia -- where you can find even the most obscure anime or manga documented -- knows nothing about it.

Do keep in mind that Viz Media published a magazine called Animerica for something like 20 years, but it was not a manga, but a "news and developments in manga and anime" thing. For most of a decade it did have a companion magazine called Animerica Extra which published shojo manga, but it didn't carry original stories but translations of some of the then-big titles in Japan, like Revolutionary Girl Utena, Maison Ikkoku and Fushigi Yuugi.

But since you have an account on my board, you probably have seen all this already.

Regardless, you've got your work cut out for you. Because this is a special case, please present your evidence for its existence before you create a page for it here, okay?

Thanks.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

...yeah, I think you misunderstood. I'm not disputing its nonexistence at all, couldn't find anything either - rather, I was thinking of actually creating the page for the magazine and web show (there's a web show with that title btw), so as to ward off future cases of people apparently inventing shows wholesale for the sake of populating trope pages with nonexistent examples or what have you.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Oh. Yeah. Major misunderstanding. Yes, we need an article for the magazine, and thank you.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

On that note, the examples you removed from here are still on the Wikia fork and also TVT itself, so I'm thinking at bare minimum Geth'll wanna see this as well so we can coordinate.