User talk:Looney Toons

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A kitten for you!

For your hard work and dedication to ATT!

GethN7 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess... <grin> -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning up trope/work links, have my bot working on it now

I noticed you've been converting trope to work templates where appropriate by hand, just wanted to let you know I have my bot working on that now to help you out. GethN7 (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

That's good to hear. It's not like I've been aiming to do this, though -- I'm really just doing a random wikiwalk and fixing anything that I happen to spot. -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I know, and it's appreciated. However, I just discovered the categories (and some of their pages) I need to parse to fix everything are a horrible mess, so I plan to run a big bot job tomorrow to fix as much as I can find, so please refrain from fixing stuff randomly until I managed to get it all sorted out. It should take too long to fix everything (I estimate about a day or so if I can get everything compiled tonight), so I beg your indulgence for about that long. GethN7 (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, will do. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot has already handled most of the subpages, should be done getting a huge majority of the work pages by the end of today. I might have screwed up a few trope pages due to them sharing certain categories with work pages, but it should only be a couple dozen pages at worst and a quick revert/edit should fix the templates. GethN7 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Finished. I saved a log of all the pages that got changed and am planning on running one last bot in a day or two to fix the pages that should not have been marked with the work template, only this time I'm using a text files with the selected pages that need fixed since the categories method managed to bollix up several dozen pages, though the good news is that a massive chunk of the work pages have been fixed as well. GethN7 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's great to hear. I'll stay away from any furhter cleanup until you say things are done. -- Looney Toons (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot is done. GethN7 (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
We still have things it missed. I came across five or six, including The Ten Commandments, just in the last half hour or so. Looney Toons (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware. The work categories are so spread out and many are so intertwined with trope pages we'll probably have to fix the rest by hand. GethN7 (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
No prob. I'll start fixing them again, then. Looney Toons (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Double Redirects

I noticed a few of the page move you created resulted in double redirects (a redirect that redirects to another redirect). These can be easily fixed with a PHP script, so don't worry about undoing them, but if you want to avoid making more in the future, enable the "Highlight Redirects" gadget in your user preferences. This will mark all links that are redirects with a pink overlay, and if you click preview before creating a redirect with that gadget enabled and the preview shows your new link is also a redirect, that's a double redirect. GethN7 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I knew a couple of my changes would be causing them, but was planning on using the Double Redirects page to fix them. However, it doesn't appear to refresh often (can we change that?), so I had resigned myself to waiting until it did to correct the problems. Looney Toons (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, no. Due to the amount of information we have on our database, the Orain staff activated "Miser Mode", which keep our database from crapping out when running most special pages and puts a cap on the refresh periods to avoid server slowdown. However, as I said, all the double redirects can be easily resolved by my asking the Orain staff to run a very simple PHP script that will automatically clean up any double redirects. GethN7 (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. Looney Toons (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Plans to add all ATT specific templates to their own category and some other fixes

I'm keeping track of all RCs, so don't worry about adding any of this yourself, but I'll be adding all ATT specific templates to their own category so we can better keep track of them, and I'll also be implementing a preloaded page template system for new pages as well.

I also have moved the spoiler code to being a toggable gadget in user preferences, as mentioned on the DW forums. Let me know if you have any issues with it not mentioned on the forums.

GethN7 (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I can add your new template with a bot

I can mass add that creator template with a bot to save you some trouble if you want. GethN7 (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Got your message. When we've decided what we're going to do, either Gethbot or Dai-Guard can mass add that template if you need it. GethN7 (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Looney Toons/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

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Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Hey, how do I add the "fair use" license when I have accidents and upload pics forget to click the button. And how do I delete an image if I forget.

Reply to "Hey"
Summary by Looney Toons

ContactDummyAnon in all his names remains banned. Trying to delete the thread where you asked to be unbanned when evidence supporting the banning appears is stupid and counterproductive, and doesn't magically make the evidence go away or the admins forget about it.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Did you get my private message or not? Please let me know.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I did in fact get your private message, but first, I was on vacation with limited data access, and second, you're going to have to be a bit more informative about what name you were banned under and why.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

May we divulge and discuss that on a more private venue? Again, the person responsible for harassing me is a staff member on this site, and has been known to actively stalk me.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Permission to continue discussing this on a private board-to-board?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Given the process of elimination, since you have contacted Labster and LT, but not myself or the other admins, you apparently believe one of us you haven't contacted is persecuting you and will immediately get you re-banned under whatever account you had originally.

I am not an unreasonable human being, and if it was me or another admin and your ban was unreasonable, I or whomever you seem to be fearful of will recuse ourselves and abide by the decisions of the other admins if your ban was unfair and we will accept a rebuke for our unfair actions if need be.

If you cannot trust we apply our own rules to the staff here as well as users equally, and if you refuse to be more exact about the circumstances, there is no way for you to implore relief here that will get anything accomplished.

And if you were banned for legitimate reasons and think this will help you get around it, then I'm sorry, it will stand if the reasons are jointly agreed by the other admins to have been reasonable.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

"ContactDummyAnon" has also contacted me by private message, but as of this posting has not yet responded to my request for additional information.

I'll say here that, since this user has been online after I asked for more information and has failed to answer my board-to-board messages about this, that it appears this user is not serious about the request.

I'll also say here that private messages to multiple admins is not the correct way to raise this sort of request - it leads to duplicated effort on the part of admins who think that each of us is the only one who has received the request.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Agreed. If you wanted to contact any of us privately, well, most of us have email addresses right on the "Contact Us" page. There's also the "Email User" page. This game of anonymous messages in the board forums and user discussion pages, combined with your coy refusal to identify yourself just irritates everyone.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Apologies for the confusion. Robkelk, I've just responded to your message reply, which I am sorry for not having noticed before.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The complaint raised in the message posted to my board was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. I have found this, this, and this that appear to be relevant to this complaint. As these are all records of chats between Molemanninethousand and GethN7, I assume that they present both sides of the issue at hand equally and without bias.

The first discussion linked above shows that GethN7 did not begin interactions with Molemanninethousand on this wiki with any intent to harass; in fact, GethN7 supported Molemanninethousand in that issue.

The second discussion shows that Molemanninethousand disagreed with how GethN7 was handling the effects on All The Tropes of a quarrel on Wikia. GethN7's final statement in that discussion appears to me to be the relevant one: "That said, we shall end this conversation, and if you are willing to do so and continue reporting any outside mischief instead of responding to it yourself, then your future here will be generally safe so long as you abide by all other rules as well."

The third discussion states why GethN7 instituted a permanent block on the Molemanninethousand account. In short, Molemanninethousand was taking actions that only an administrator should have been taking, and when called on this behaviour, attempted to dictate terms to an administrator.

Having gone over the evidence that I am able to find...

My responsibility is toward All The Tropes as a whole, not to Wikia or ED or any single user.

I am not happy about an interpersonal dispute from Wikia being brought over to All The Tropes, and I am not happy that this became the focus of the discussion. What happens on Wikia should stay on Wikia.

I will not go and read Molemanninethousand's ED page. What happens on Encyclopedia Dramatica should stay on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Again, the complaint was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. The evidence that I have seen is that Molemanninethousand was harassing GethN7... but that is not the issue here.

I find it ironic that somebody who complained about another user creating sockpuppet accounts should create a sockpuppet account in order to request the lifting of a permaban... but that is not the issue here.

The issue here is that Molemanninethousand's account was locked for vigilante action, which by definition put the safety of All The Tropes at risk.

I am not inclined to reverse the ban at this time. If another administrator chooses otherwise based on additional evidence, I will not object.

EDIT: At this time, I will not lock the ContactDummyAnon account as a duplicate of the Molemanninethousand account. However, once consensus is reached among the remaining administrators, I will suggest that the ContactDummyAnon account be locked. Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

While I am inclined to trust GethN7, I find that I've only seen these discussions about the actions taken by MM9K, and not the actions themselves. Does anyone have links handy to the relevant history entries so that I may see what happened for myself? Until I can do so, I am abstaining from offering a yea or nay opinion.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

That pic I posted showing why MM was banned was the tipping point.

MM is the undisputed king of "not letting things drop". If need be, I can send you tons of correspondence I have had with Wikia staff about his extensive history of ban evasion and general drama bombing there, and my unfortunate experience with him happen on our Wikia fork, and when I had to ban him there for causing a ton of disruption, he globally ban evaded no less than five times just to force me to change my mind, and since he was hellbent of defying global bans to get back onto Wikia, including outright lies to staff, using other people's accounts, and so on, I promised Wikia I would report him whenever I caught him, even if it didn't not directly involve me, especially since he deliberately decided to lie to Wikia staff members about the actions of other staff members in order to get his ban overturned (again, I have correspondence to prove this).

It is this he considers "harassment", despite the fact I was assisting Wikia staff in enforcing their own rules (which is encouraged and had their explicit approval), and as seen in the screenshot, you are supposed to attempt to get users who are breaking rules to cease doing so personally, then invoke staff if they prove recalcitrant.

It is as a result of doing so that led to him following me here and continuing to badger me, and since he stalked me across several wikis on Wikia to do the same, I was not about to risk a repeat.

That aside, his actual conduct here was not that offensive, and as you saw, I told him if he was willing to let things drop and not import offsite drama, his stay here was assured, but that step he was not willing to take, hence the banhammer.

FYI, the correspondence in question concerns emails to Wikia staff, which can be forwarded via Gmail if need be.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No need. What I've seen by now combined with ContactDummyAnon/MM9K's rather pathetic attempts to stalinize this discussion thread have provided me with all I need to support the continuing his ban, and expanding it to his alias.

Protip for you, MM9K: Attempting to hide the discussion as soon as evidence about your behavior was presented instantly prejudiced me against you. If you were in the right, you would never have done that.

Edit: Trying to hide the thread where the admins were actively debating your fate and casting their votes? Kinda dumb. You didn't think we'd notice? That with the thread hidden we'd magically forget? All you accomplished was turn the guy who was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt into a vote against you.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

I was hiding the thread to drop the issue and prevent it from being picked up on by trolls.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

I would prefer if it would be hidden again and considered resolved, for the same reason.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)


Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Is that "no" to hiding this thread, or "no" to considering it resolved?

If the thread is considered resolved as per the complainant's statement, then the "ContactDummyAnon" account no longer needs to remain active. As I stated earlier in this thread, Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

That's no to hiding it, and it was also "no" to considering it resolved until we heard from all admins. I agree that he has no need for two accounts.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

At this point, I would like to discuss and divulge further relevant information, but in a completely private and safe venue, such as through personal emails.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I have no intention of handing out my personal email address.

I prefer to continue this discussion in public, where all correspondence is available to all future readers for independent verification.

If this is not acceptable to you, then you might want to find a different wiki where you would feel more comfortable.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

No Moleman, we don't disappear evidence here, we are transparency advocates, because rules apply to EVERYONE here. I even voluntarily surrendered my powers here for a time as punishment for having brought trouble to this place awhile back, and I would do so again because even I'm not above the rules.

If anything, you have proven to me blocking you was the correct decision, and that you have learned nothing from all the other times you decided you were above rules.

If you continue to act in this manner, this account will be blocked as well.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)


Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Labster has replied offline.

Since we have consensus, there is no longer any reason for Molemanninethousand to keep the ContactDummyAnon account active.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

SelfCloak marked two whole sets of subpages that you moved back in 2014/15 as unused redirects, I want to know whether you approve of such a deletion, considering you enabled the redirect option back then you moved them.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If they're genuinely unused, they're unnecessary. I leave the "create redirect" option turned on unless I know for a fact that nothing links to the original page name -- and I rarely check "What Links Here" when I move a page.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

is there any particular reason not to mark (defaultsort) etc as minor edits? Because without this, the recent edits list is almost unusable.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Because I don't think of it as a minor edit? I only flag as "minor" those edits with under 10 or 15 characters' worth of changes. And because I often make other changes -- layout tweaks, markup, stuff like that -- at the same time as I'm adding the Defaultsort, and only add those in the description when, again, it's more than a dozen characters' worth.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

why delete it?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It was a year and a half old, and no one cared to put the work in to make it launchable. It had only two edits in its history, for pete's sake.

Look, we're really generous when it comes to the time it takes a polish a trope in the workshop. TVT has a 3-day rule for turnaround on trope candidates, but we let things percolate for weeks and months. But there comes a time where we simply have to say it's not happening. In a discussion several weeks ago, Labster, Geth and I settled on six months as a cutoff. If the candidate is older than six months and it's not launchable, we cut our losses and bin it. And I've been relaxed even about that, prodding people to finish up a candidate and make it usable for weeks before I finally throw up my hands and nuke it.

You object to the deletion of Fake Flight? Cool. Restore it. But if you do, make it launchable. Don't just kick it out the door half-made and then complain when it dies in the cold.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Gethbot is doing the category changes.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, cool.

Southparkfan (talkcontribs)

Hi Looney Toons, yesterday and today I have spent multiple hours into debugging why images weren't purged upon overwrite, because it caused annoying, very annoying issues. Despite it caused a site outage for European/Asian users (two minutes), I believe everything should work properly now.

I noticed this edit, and purging the page (?action=purge) + clearing your cache should ensure you get the most recent version of the page and images. Could you let me know if you experience anything strange? I guess everyone knows where they can find me.

NoxiousSludge (talkcontribs)

Hey, I'm going to keep it brief since I'm bad with words, but I know I've acted really rudely to you in the past. In fact, I still cringe at the childish way I blew up at you when I was lambasting Tumblr for issues that really didn't need to be bought up in a formal review that should focus more on site functionality than the unsavory types attracted to it. I don't know if you really care, but I'm sorry.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Um. Apology accepted? Except I can't really recall any time when I thought you were rude to me. I certainly took no offense at anything that I can recall, so please don't beat yourself up over it.

Summary deletion of ''Disney's Anne Frank''

4 (talkcontribs)

I'm not going to argue that pages for nonexistent works should live in the main article namespace, but I'm a little bothered at how you totally ignored my concern about deletion (and deleted the talk page itself - a major breach of protocol where I come from - is that how things are run here?). Maybe it's just my inclusionist nature, but I wondered if there was a place for that content to live as a "just for fun" reductio ad absurdum of Disneyfication.


Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I originally had a long bit here about not seeing your objection and, well, stuff. Then I went ahead and resurrected the entire set of pages and undid the link edits because of what you posted above. When I did that, I saw that you had responded to my 24-hour notice under an hour after I made it.

I apologize for somehow having overlooked your message. In my defense, I received no notification by the Wiki that someone had replied, and assumed that there were no answers to my notice. (talkcontribs)

Yeah, the only constant in wikis is inconstancy. :/

Thanks for putting the pages back. There was a redirect to DAF from "The Diary of Amme Frank/Juat For Fun" - maybe DAF et al. can be moved to JFF/DAF, with the appropriate categorization?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I don't think we have a "Just for fun" namespace, but there's nothing that says we can't create one. (I personally dislike the idea of a "Just For Fun" link under the real Anne Frank -- it strikes me as simultaneously disrespectful and tasteless -- and I wouldn't mind if it went away, btw.)

However, tomorrow I'm going on a short vacation, so whatever happens will either need to be done by someone else, or wait until I get back.

Molemanninethousand (talkcontribs)

Please see and deal with: /

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I have addressed the matter, please inform me if they do so again.

To my knowledge, you have not caused problems here, and you have not broken any rules to this point, and the abuse hurled your way was uncalled for, not to mention while you may not be allowed on Wikia from what I understand, such strictures do not apply to Miraheze at present, and so long as you abide by the rules, I see no reason for that to change.

And I don't know if it means anything, but I'm sorry such an abusive person saw fit to say such unjustified comments to you, please accept my apologies on their behalf.