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Let's just delete the Fun Size (film) page.

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Shawn the Logo Boy (talkcontribs)

It's not very well known due to it being the lowest grossing film by Nickelodeon, not to mention it's obscure. Also, it lacks a page on Tropedia (Fandom), and if we did make a page of it on this wiki, we would have to make copy the sentences but significantly modify them, causing them to end up being short, so making a page of it on All The Tropes would be a questionable idea.

Derivative (talkcontribs)
Shawn the Logo Boy (talkcontribs)

Wait, what?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Exactly what it says. No work is too small or obscure to get a page here.

DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)
DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Never mind, Dmehus has locked the account.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Riiiiight... Forgot about that.

TradeWikidata (talkcontribs)

A lot of the dead links on this page seems to have slipped past InternetArchiveBot. We might need to deal with this manually

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Feel free.

TradeWikidata (talkcontribs)

Would it be possibly for you to change my user status so i don't have to deal with and endless stream of captcha?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry, due to rampant vandalism and spam we have suffered in the past, you have to prove your bonafides before we provide unfettered edit access. Autopatrolled and automoderated status comes only after you've demonstrated we can trust you with it.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

When a work stops being a stub anyway?

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HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl (talkcontribs)

I suppose a plot description, information of who created the work and tropes are enough, but how many? I know works like Solanin that though of course aren't the legendary tropeless tale they lack any kind of very tropey elements thanks to being slow, realistic dramas, and short on size too.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

My personal rule of thumb is a minimum of three or four good-sized paragraphs in the main text, and at least a dozen tropes.

Regarding your edit to Outlived Its Creator

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Summary by Looney Toons

I made an error, a user noticed.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I looked it up, while the comic strip Thimble Theater did first appear in 1919, Popeye was not introduced as a character until 1929. (Popeye is one of the biggest examples of an Ascended Extra in media history.)


Not sure how to phrase this though.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Ah. Misleading phrasing in an infobox on Wikipedia caught me up; that's what I get for editing in the last minutes before going to bed. How about just "nearly a century"? Then in eight years we can change it to "over a century" and we'll be set for at least a hundred years. <grin>

EDIT: And I've gone ahead and corrected my edit. You know, just because I'm a mod doesn't mean you can't correct the page when I've made an error like that.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I know, but I didn't want to be accused of Edit Warring. Thanks.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

... we're not TVT. Why would you think you'd get accused of edit warring? It takes a bit more than just correcting a mod error.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I know, I know, but I was kicked off TVT for similar issues and it's kinda hard to forget. Thanks for the reminder.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

How conducive do you think it would be to start a Useful Notes page on the list of banned books in America when one of us gets open space for a Trope Workshop addition?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I think it's a good idea.


While nigh all books are not banned on a federal level, there have been federal bans on certain materials in general, such as on abortion and contraception prior to legalization of such matters. There are a few publications that have been banned due to advocacy and enabling of inherent criminal activity, such as seen here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff#Case_regarding_The_Federal_Mafia


Historical examples that have been struck down as mentioned above are noted here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I agree, it's a good idea. You should probably crosslink it to Banned in China, or maybe even make it a subpage, although I wouldn't insist on the latter.

Useful Notes don't really need to go into the Workshop but it's a good way to get immediate attention and solicit contributions.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Gotcha. o7

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

The funny thing is it actually doesn't take much effort - mostly find-and-replace in a suitable text editor (wish I'd figured it out before). Of course I only tend to do it on the side of other "actual" edits I make, but regardless I can stop if you want.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No, I won't tell you to stop. I will say it pings my own OCD about how things should look in the source, but like I said it makes no difference to the rendered page, so there's no reason to tell you to stop except my own preferences, and that's no justification.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Ah. Me going to all that trouble in the first place is sort of a... I don't wanna say "compulsion" myself, probably more of a long-standing editing habit originally springing from a minor compulsion?

But yeah, clearly we're just gonna end up feedback looping in that regard, so for our mutual convenience: I'll only clear out whitespace with pages I create directly (if that), and I'll leave everything else alone. Sound good?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Sure. And thanks.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I went poking around, and it seems it does exist as a magazine/show of some short at a casual glance (albeit more than likely not in the form it was being described in those examples you removed). Would you like me to start on that work page to make it easier to head this sort of "people adding examples from a non-existent work" thing off in the future?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, but you're going to have to give us a fair amount of evidence that it actually existed and matches the description we've gleaned from the examples -- both Rob Kelk and I did some thorough searching with two different engines and found no evidence it existed (and at least one discussion on a board from 2009 complaining about its nonexistence). It is, based on the details from the deleted examples both a print-only work and an anime with no less than three seasons plus supplementary specials, as well as a big enough fanbase to have a community to respond vocally to plot developments, but which left absolutely no traces anywhere Google or DuckDuckGo can find them. And Wikipedia -- where you can find even the most obscure anime or manga documented -- knows nothing about it.

Do keep in mind that Viz Media published a magazine called Animerica for something like 20 years, but it was not a manga, but a "news and developments in manga and anime" thing. For most of a decade it did have a companion magazine called Animerica Extra which published shojo manga, but it didn't carry original stories but translations of some of the then-big titles in Japan, like Revolutionary Girl Utena, Maison Ikkoku and Fushigi Yuugi.

But since you have an account on my board, you probably have seen all this already.

Regardless, you've got your work cut out for you. Because this is a special case, please present your evidence for its existence before you create a page for it here, okay?

Thanks.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

...yeah, I think you misunderstood. I'm not disputing its nonexistence at all, couldn't find anything either - rather, I was thinking of actually creating the page for the magazine and web show (there's a web show with that title btw), so as to ward off future cases of people apparently inventing shows wholesale for the sake of populating trope pages with nonexistent examples or what have you.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Oh. Yeah. Major misunderstanding. Yes, we need an article for the magazine, and thank you.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

On that note, the examples you removed from here are still on the Wikia fork and also TVT itself, so I'm thinking at bare minimum Geth'll wanna see this as well so we can coordinate.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I was trying to create one for the SimpleFlips page, but it wouldn't autocollapse. Is it because it's not an actual templated navigation box, or do I have to do something different if I'm creating one from scratch? My sandbox has what I put together so far for reference.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

May be just buggy. Like PS238/Characters has headers markup present, but doesn't create table of contents.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Those are two completely different issues.

Dealing with the easy one first: PS238/Characters only had three headers before this posting. MediaWiki doesn't generate a table of contents unless there's at least four headers on the page. There is now a TOC on that page, because I took the character names of the first two listed characters (EDIT: and more now, but not yet all) out of the non-standard (and IMHO ugly) markup that somebody added and put the names into header markup while fixing the entries as much as I could. That entire page needs a lot of work; it now has two cleanup boxes at the beginning of the page. That isn't a bug or a feature, it's behaving as designed.

As for the navbox, that might be something that we haven't copied over from Wikipedia yet. This needs to be looked into by a coder who has time, and this weekend isn't a holiday in Canada so that won't be me right now. @GethN7 @Labster @Looney Toons

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

Or like the equal sign within quote template. My point is, it's big, ridden with such quirks, and documentation mostly consists of reminder notes for those who already know how it all works. It's not a programming language. Some parts may indeed work as intended, but with implicit things documentation itself is several more steps away. This adds up.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I may have a holiday but that doesn't mean I have a lot of free time. I'll note that I've only built navboxes by trial and error and I really don't have a deep understanding of them. However, I'll take a look when I have some time. Where is it and what it is it called?

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Took a quick moment to look at it before I have to leave. One thing I see right away:

state = {{{state|autocollapse}}}

should be

state = autocollapse

And you don't even need to do that because according to the Navbox documentation that's the default.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

That might be the crux of it. 6_9 I was copying another template and assumed that had to be left in as is. Thank you.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I cribbed from that annual Academy Award winner template somwhere else, actually - it somehow didn't occur to me to go right to that page, god knows why, but I think I have the important stuff figured out now.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

And that means that I cribbed from somebody who had the parameter wrong. Sorry about that...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Pf, all good, still on me ultimately (though it's good you're double checking the pages).

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

What would you say to a category consisting of tropes about bans and the like? (example name: This Index is Banned or something similar and appropriate)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I'd say, "Hello, category."

As far as I'm concerned, anybody can create any category that isn't a duplicate of an existing category, as long as they actually use the category.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Understood.