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TradeWikidata (talkcontribs)

A lot of the dead links on this page seems to have slipped past InternetArchiveBot. We might need to deal with this manually

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Feel free.

TradeWikidata (talkcontribs)

Would it be possibly for you to change my user status so i don't have to deal with and endless stream of captcha?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry, due to rampant vandalism and spam we have suffered in the past, you have to prove your bonafides before we provide unfettered edit access. Autopatrolled and automoderated status comes only after you've demonstrated we can trust you with it.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

A user to block:

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DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)
DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Never mind, Dmehus has locked the account.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

When a work stops being a stub anyway?

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HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl (talkcontribs)

I suppose a plot description, information of who created the work and tropes are enough, but how many? I know works like Solanin that though of course aren't the legendary tropeless tale they lack any kind of very tropey elements thanks to being slow, realistic dramas, and short on size too.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

My personal rule of thumb is a minimum of three or four good-sized paragraphs in the main text, and at least a dozen tropes.

Regarding your edit to Outlived Its Creator

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HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I looked it up, while the comic strip Thimble Theater did first appear in 1919, Popeye was not introduced as a character until 1929. (Popeye is one of the biggest examples of an Ascended Extra in media history.)


Not sure how to phrase this though.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Ah. Misleading phrasing in an infobox on Wikipedia caught me up; that's what I get for editing in the last minutes before going to bed. How about just "nearly a century"? Then in eight years we can change it to "over a century" and we'll be set for at least a hundred years. <grin>

EDIT: And I've gone ahead and corrected my edit. You know, just because I'm a mod doesn't mean you can't correct the page when I've made an error like that.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I know, but I didn't want to be accused of Edit Warring. Thanks.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

... we're not TVT. Why would you think you'd get accused of edit warring? It takes a bit more than just correcting a mod error.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I know, I know, but I was kicked off TVT for similar issues and it's kinda hard to forget. Thanks for the reminder.

Banned and Challenged Books

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

How conducive do you think it would be to start a Useful Notes page on the list of banned books in America when one of us gets open space for a Trope Workshop addition?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I think it's a good idea.


While nigh all books are not banned on a federal level, there have been federal bans on certain materials in general, such as on abortion and contraception prior to legalization of such matters. There are a few publications that have been banned due to advocacy and enabling of inherent criminal activity, such as seen here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff#Case_regarding_The_Federal_Mafia


Historical examples that have been struck down as mentioned above are noted here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I agree, it's a good idea. You should probably crosslink it to Banned in China, or maybe even make it a subpage, although I wouldn't insist on the latter.

Useful Notes don't really need to go into the Workshop but it's a good way to get immediate attention and solicit contributions.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Gotcha. o7

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

The funny thing is it actually doesn't take much effort - mostly find-and-replace in a suitable text editor (wish I'd figured it out before). Of course I only tend to do it on the side of other "actual" edits I make, but regardless I can stop if you want.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No, I won't tell you to stop. I will say it pings my own OCD about how things should look in the source, but like I said it makes no difference to the rendered page, so there's no reason to tell you to stop except my own preferences, and that's no justification.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Ah. Me going to all that trouble in the first place is sort of a... I don't wanna say "compulsion" myself, probably more of a long-standing editing habit originally springing from a minor compulsion?

But yeah, clearly we're just gonna end up feedback looping in that regard, so for our mutual convenience: I'll only clear out whitespace with pages I create directly (if that), and I'll leave everything else alone. Sound good?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Sure. And thanks.

Am I in the "autopatrolled" group?

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HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl (talkcontribs)

It seems I can edit pages now, but I don't know when it happenned. And it only seems to happen when I use FireFox. I just want an explanation.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You've been in the Autopatrolled group since November 1st, 2020. I have no idea why you have different results on different browsers. Maybe you need to clear your cookies?

The New English Canaan

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I want to add the text itself to the wiki, and while I have the commented-out instructions in the boilerplate that loaded, I have no idea if there's anything in the Style Guides for dealing with this.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Not really, mainly because most if not all source sections have been added by the wiki staff up to now. I guess the rules of thumb to follow would be

  • Make sure you use (or convert to) proper markup
  • Break large works up into individual chapters/pages all hanging off a "table of contents" page

That's all that occurs to me at the moment, but I'll CC in the rest of the admin team to see if anyone has anything else to add.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The quick-and-dirty method: wrap "poem" tags around the text and put a cleanup tag at the top of the page saying that it needs formatting. This is pretty much what we did with the earliest Source pages.

The better way: mark up the text as @Looney Toons described above. This is quite acceptable.

The best way, in my opinion, but also the most work: format all of the text, put the headers into header markup, and add pictures where they exist in the Project Gutenberg copy of the work.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Quick-and-dirty method employed, cleanup tag applied. Thank you both for your advice - I'll be aiding in the efforts to make the text navigable and presentable, of course.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You're welcome -- and good luck!

Additional Question

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

The Wikipedia tab isn't available on Trope pages. Metasyntactic Variable is a Useful Notes page, which does have it.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Oh, bother. Guess I'll have to make do then, thank you!

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You're welcome.

Collapsible sections

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I can't answer your first question, sorry.

As for including in a template, I don't see why not. But it would be best to wait until after we figure out whether we can include text in the collapsed box before writing the template.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Honestly, I have less clue than Rob. I'm sure it's possible, but I wouldn't know where to start.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Labster is definitely our primary code-side guy, and I think this is also in Geth's skill set. Whereas Rob and I are more content and markup wonks.