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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Thank you for doing that - I hadn't exactly forgotten, so much as I was uncertain if moving the entire trope thing for the sake of a disambiguation was the right thing to do (which I see that it was in hindsight).

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

The New English Canaan

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I want to add the text itself to the wiki, and while I have the commented-out instructions in the boilerplate that loaded, I have no idea if there's anything in the Style Guides for dealing with this.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Not really, mainly because most if not all source sections have been added by the wiki staff up to now. I guess the rules of thumb to follow would be

  • Make sure you use (or convert to) proper markup
  • Break large works up into individual chapters/pages all hanging off a "table of contents" page

That's all that occurs to me at the moment, but I'll CC in the rest of the admin team to see if anyone has anything else to add.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The quick-and-dirty method: wrap "poem" tags around the text and put a cleanup tag at the top of the page saying that it needs formatting. This is pretty much what we did with the earliest Source pages.

The better way: mark up the text as @Looney Toons described above. This is quite acceptable.

The best way, in my opinion, but also the most work: format all of the text, put the headers into header markup, and add pictures where they exist in the Project Gutenberg copy of the work.

Summary by Looney Toons

one of the first of the great flood

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Taken care of. Thanks for the heads-up!

Give the Stewards noticeboard some attention:

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Summary by Looney Toons

More about the spam flood

DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

I've been noticing that you have been blocking what appears to be spambots.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

There's nothing currently on the stewards noticeboard related to this.

EDIT: But there is now.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I think he means let the Stewards know we're getting flooded.

EDIT: Which you have. <LITELLA>Never mind!</LITELLA>

DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Thanks for clarifying what I said for him.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I just turned off the ability to create new accounts.

I did this on my authority, to protect the wiki. This will be temporary - but I'm not going to announce just how temporary.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I put out an "all hands" call on my board as well.

Post moderation - anti-spam measure

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Summary by Looney Toons

Boilerplate

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hello!

You probably already notice the site message at the top of the page. As a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020, we have instituted moderation of posts. Most people's edits and image uploads will not appear immediately, the way that they would on Wikipedia... but yours will. This is a privilege (given for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing), not a right.

This privilege comes with a responsibility: You also have Moderation rights. Whenever somebody makes an edit that requires moderation, it will appear at Special:Moderation until somebody with Moderation rights either approves or rejects it. Please pitch in when there are posts waiting for moderation. I trust that only spam will be rejected. 😀

Sending edits to moderation

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Summary by Looney Toons

User wasn't fond of what we had to do to throttle the spam flood.

Kindadaptablekayak2 (talkcontribs)

I do not intend to offend or upset you greatly, but I am not a big fan of the option of edits being sent to moderators and pending reviews.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Sorry about that, but right now with bogus accounts being registered every two to five minutes, and spam pages being created at a rate of one every 45 minutes or faster, you're going to have to get used to it. I will note that if you prove to be a good wiki contributor you can earn automoderated status and not have to wait to see your edits. However, that's not going to be a quick and easy process.

Oh, and in the future, I am not the only admin at All The Tropes, and I am not the one to find and activate the Moderation extension. If you have an issue with wiki policy in general, you will find that you will reach the entire staff if you post a message in the wiki forums instead of on a single mod's personal talk page.

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I trust "good wiki contributor" means "contributor of good edits", and is not a comment on somebody else's behaviour.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

At this time of year? A bad wiki contributor gets a lump of coal. <grin>

Yes, "good" was intended in terms of quality of edits. But behavior helps. Remember the contributors who decided that they had the right to be jerks and our rules didn't mean anything? That's not being a "good wiki contributor" either.

Labster (talkcontribs)

I’m not a fan of it either, it’s more work for me. But reverting the many bad edits is even more time consuming. :'(

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

Because it's not like user groups (such as autopatrol) exist, or something.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Can't rely on the user groups - they don't solve the issue referred to in "But reverting the many bad edits is even more time consuming. :'("

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The Bureaucrats, with input from some of the Administrators, have voted to extend automoderation to all autopatrolled users. (Okay, not all of the Bureaucrats have voted yet, but there's already a majority.) @TBeholder, your editing should now be back to the way it was before we needed to put this hurdle in place.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I just checked the log - this feature has allowed us to block 44 spam posts in the first 22 hours of operation. we normally get less than 44 spam posts a month.

I vote to keep moderation turned on permanently.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Seconded.

And I move that further discussion not live on my talk page.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Thank you.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I went poking around, and we don't seem to have much in terms of categories related to veganism or even vegetarian. I know they're worth a Useful Notes page, but do you actually know any vegans or vegetarians? I'd love for this future page to be informed by someone who actually has personal experience with the diets.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

The only dedicated vegetarian I knew went back to eating meat twenty-five years ago when she discovered doing so fixed some persistent health problems she'd been suffering. To the best of my knowledge I don't know anyone who's vegan. Then again I am only one of the mods, albeit one of the more visible ones, so I'm not the only person to consult. Perhaps if you posted a message in the forums, or pinged the other mods...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Yeah, habits... I do need to use the forums way more. Thank ya.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Well, I'm planning to start on the Useful Notes pages on both subjects, but one last question: What's the standards regarding Useful Notes? Workshop like other tropes?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You can if you want -- I did it with my most recent Useful Notes page -- but it's not required.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Are there any tropes dedicated to tributes for dead actors, creators, etc. here or on any other troping site? I'm coming off a long editing session so I can't summon the energy to check myself, and I plan to do something related to this once I wake up from my long-put-off sleep.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

What would you say to a category consisting of tropes about bans and the like? (example name: This Index is Banned or something similar and appropriate)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I'd say, "Hello, category."

As far as I'm concerned, anybody can create any category that isn't a duplicate of an existing category, as long as they actually use the category.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Understood.

Regarding Navboxes

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I was trying to create one for the SimpleFlips page, but it wouldn't autocollapse. Is it because it's not an actual templated navigation box, or do I have to do something different if I'm creating one from scratch? My sandbox has what I put together so far for reference.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

May be just buggy. Like PS238/Characters has headers markup present, but doesn't create table of contents.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Those are two completely different issues.

Dealing with the easy one first: PS238/Characters only had three headers before this posting. MediaWiki doesn't generate a table of contents unless there's at least four headers on the page. There is now a TOC on that page, because I took the character names of the first two listed characters (EDIT: and more now, but not yet all) out of the non-standard (and IMHO ugly) markup that somebody added and put the names into header markup while fixing the entries as much as I could. That entire page needs a lot of work; it now has two cleanup boxes at the beginning of the page. That isn't a bug or a feature, it's behaving as designed.

As for the navbox, that might be something that we haven't copied over from Wikipedia yet. This needs to be looked into by a coder who has time, and this weekend isn't a holiday in Canada so that won't be me right now. @GethN7 @Labster @Looney Toons

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

Or like the equal sign within quote template. My point is, it's big, ridden with such quirks, and documentation mostly consists of reminder notes for those who already know how it all works. It's not a programming language. Some parts may indeed work as intended, but with implicit things documentation itself is several more steps away. This adds up.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I may have a holiday but that doesn't mean I have a lot of free time. I'll note that I've only built navboxes by trial and error and I really don't have a deep understanding of them. However, I'll take a look when I have some time. Where is it and what it is it called?

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Took a quick moment to look at it before I have to leave. One thing I see right away:

state = {{{state|autocollapse}}}

should be

state = autocollapse

And you don't even need to do that because according to the Navbox documentation that's the default.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

That might be the crux of it. 6_9 I was copying another template and assumed that had to be left in as is. Thank you.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I cribbed from that annual Academy Award winner template somwhere else, actually - it somehow didn't occur to me to go right to that page, god knows why, but I think I have the important stuff figured out now.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

And that means that I cribbed from somebody who had the parameter wrong. Sorry about that...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Pf, all good, still on me ultimately (though it's good you're double checking the pages).