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A kitten for you!

For your hard work and dedication to ATT!

GethN7 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess... <grin> -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning up trope/work links, have my bot working on it now

I noticed you've been converting trope to work templates where appropriate by hand, just wanted to let you know I have my bot working on that now to help you out. GethN7 (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

That's good to hear. It's not like I've been aiming to do this, though -- I'm really just doing a random wikiwalk and fixing anything that I happen to spot. -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I know, and it's appreciated. However, I just discovered the categories (and some of their pages) I need to parse to fix everything are a horrible mess, so I plan to run a big bot job tomorrow to fix as much as I can find, so please refrain from fixing stuff randomly until I managed to get it all sorted out. It should take too long to fix everything (I estimate about a day or so if I can get everything compiled tonight), so I beg your indulgence for about that long. GethN7 (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, will do. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot has already handled most of the subpages, should be done getting a huge majority of the work pages by the end of today. I might have screwed up a few trope pages due to them sharing certain categories with work pages, but it should only be a couple dozen pages at worst and a quick revert/edit should fix the templates. GethN7 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Finished. I saved a log of all the pages that got changed and am planning on running one last bot in a day or two to fix the pages that should not have been marked with the work template, only this time I'm using a text files with the selected pages that need fixed since the categories method managed to bollix up several dozen pages, though the good news is that a massive chunk of the work pages have been fixed as well. GethN7 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's great to hear. I'll stay away from any furhter cleanup until you say things are done. -- Looney Toons (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot is done. GethN7 (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
We still have things it missed. I came across five or six, including The Ten Commandments, just in the last half hour or so. Looney Toons (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware. The work categories are so spread out and many are so intertwined with trope pages we'll probably have to fix the rest by hand. GethN7 (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
No prob. I'll start fixing them again, then. Looney Toons (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Double Redirects

I noticed a few of the page move you created resulted in double redirects (a redirect that redirects to another redirect). These can be easily fixed with a PHP script, so don't worry about undoing them, but if you want to avoid making more in the future, enable the "Highlight Redirects" gadget in your user preferences. This will mark all links that are redirects with a pink overlay, and if you click preview before creating a redirect with that gadget enabled and the preview shows your new link is also a redirect, that's a double redirect. GethN7 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I knew a couple of my changes would be causing them, but was planning on using the Double Redirects page to fix them. However, it doesn't appear to refresh often (can we change that?), so I had resigned myself to waiting until it did to correct the problems. Looney Toons (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, no. Due to the amount of information we have on our database, the Orain staff activated "Miser Mode", which keep our database from crapping out when running most special pages and puts a cap on the refresh periods to avoid server slowdown. However, as I said, all the double redirects can be easily resolved by my asking the Orain staff to run a very simple PHP script that will automatically clean up any double redirects. GethN7 (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. Looney Toons (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Plans to add all ATT specific templates to their own category and some other fixes

I'm keeping track of all RCs, so don't worry about adding any of this yourself, but I'll be adding all ATT specific templates to their own category so we can better keep track of them, and I'll also be implementing a preloaded page template system for new pages as well.

I also have moved the spoiler code to being a toggable gadget in user preferences, as mentioned on the DW forums. Let me know if you have any issues with it not mentioned on the forums.

GethN7 (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I can add your new template with a bot

I can mass add that creator template with a bot to save you some trouble if you want. GethN7 (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Got your message. When we've decided what we're going to do, either Gethbot or Dai-Guard can mass add that template if you need it. GethN7 (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Looney Toons/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Ridiculous Cute Critter Question

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Jade, you don't need my approval for a change like that. We're a wiki, with user-created content. If the userbase doesn't like the changes, they'll be changed back or into something else. For the most part, we admins do not have final say.

Now on the subject of copyright, yeah, we have final say, but I have no idea what copyright issue you think you see. All our initial content -- including the image -- was acquired before TVT changed their license terms, and as such we can use it. There is no legal need to get rid of that image. If you have a better image, cool. But there's nothing that says we must change the image.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

That's why I'm asking you both, since I don't want to undo someone's work or get rid of an already safe image.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Unless told otherwise, assume all our images imported from TVT at the time of the fork are safe. The only exceptions might be the very, very few that have a comment in the page source that says something like "permission to use granted by thus-and-so at", in which case that permission might only be granted to TV Tropes and not by extension to us. But there are vanishingly few of these images, and most have already been replaced or commented out of visibility.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Thanks, I'll wait until SelfCloak says something. So, how do I know when an image is ONLY granted to TVT?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You contact the artist, if there is sufficient information in the artwork or as comments within the page source to identify and reach them.

Reply to "Ridiculous Cute Critter Question"

Hey, Is Forgettable Character Good to Go

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)
Reply to "Hey, Is Forgettable Character Good to Go"
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I have a few questions about this page: File:Tenkoguardians.png I uploaded a new photo for it, so we won't get in trouble. But I don't know where to put the fair use and such, it's not what I'm used to seeing.

Second question, I am cleaning up the WW2 page a bit (i.e. linking to proper pages and such), is "Tenko and the Guardians" set during WW2 or that's a different Tenko?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

First: You edit the page, and replace {{TVT-CC-BY-SA-image}} with {{fairuse}}.

Second: I haven't a clue. I don't know a thing about the show. Have you tried consulting Wikipedia?

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Thanks, Looney.

Reply to "Tenko Question"
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

There's this message about checking if my browser works? How do I run the test or do I ignore it, I don't know if my computer is compatible or if it is good to go. It says "Please visit Qualys SSL Browser Checker."

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It appears to be a global notice from the management of Miraheze; it's not from ATT. Given that they run the wiki farm that hosts us, it's probably a good idea to follow their suggestions. As for how to run the test, I would suggest starting here.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

All I got is "Agent has good protocol support", "Logjam Vulnerability: Your agent is not vulnerable", "Mixed Content Handling: Passive Active." I don't know what to click or what. I don't know what to do with the "Upgrade Insecure Requests request header." How do I know if I'm good to go?

Update: I have Microsoft Edge as my fail safe (Besides having a Wikia account), if me updating Chrone and Mozilla doesn't work. I know where to go, if I find out that after October 1 that I can't log in here, I'll log in over there.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Honestly, Jade, I don't know what to tell you. This isn't All The Tropes. I am no more informed on this than you are. Go to and maybe ask the stewards? I don't know. It does sound like the browser you tested is in good shape.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I already sent them a question on Twitter if I'm good to go, good thing I have back ups (Though I think nothing will happen), but I'm going to be miff if it turns out that I have to transfer my edits somehow to the wikia version.

I wonder how long will they take to respond though.

Reply to "Hey, Looney, What's This?"
Robkelk (talkcontribs)
The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Just letting you know that your grammar and spelling correction work here has been noticed and is appreciated.
Reply to "A barnstar for you!"
GethN7 (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Thanks. Following up on this, it appears this guy is entirely fictional.

Reply to "Harry Bosco Translation"
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Hey, how do I add the "fair use" license when I have accidents and upload pics forget to click the button. And how do I delete an image if I forget.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)


Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
I said I'm realistic!
J'ai dit que je suis réaliste!
¡Dije que soy realista!
Eu disse que sou realista!
Reply to "Hey"
Summary by Looney Toons

ContactDummyAnon in all his names remains banned. Trying to delete the thread where you asked to be unbanned when evidence supporting the banning appears is stupid and counterproductive, and doesn't magically make the evidence go away or the admins forget about it.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Did you get my private message or not? Please let me know.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I did in fact get your private message, but first, I was on vacation with limited data access, and second, you're going to have to be a bit more informative about what name you were banned under and why.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

May we divulge and discuss that on a more private venue? Again, the person responsible for harassing me is a staff member on this site, and has been known to actively stalk me.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Permission to continue discussing this on a private board-to-board?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Given the process of elimination, since you have contacted Labster and LT, but not myself or the other admins, you apparently believe one of us you haven't contacted is persecuting you and will immediately get you re-banned under whatever account you had originally.

I am not an unreasonable human being, and if it was me or another admin and your ban was unreasonable, I or whomever you seem to be fearful of will recuse ourselves and abide by the decisions of the other admins if your ban was unfair and we will accept a rebuke for our unfair actions if need be.

If you cannot trust we apply our own rules to the staff here as well as users equally, and if you refuse to be more exact about the circumstances, there is no way for you to implore relief here that will get anything accomplished.

And if you were banned for legitimate reasons and think this will help you get around it, then I'm sorry, it will stand if the reasons are jointly agreed by the other admins to have been reasonable.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

"ContactDummyAnon" has also contacted me by private message, but as of this posting has not yet responded to my request for additional information.

I'll say here that, since this user has been online after I asked for more information and has failed to answer my board-to-board messages about this, that it appears this user is not serious about the request.

I'll also say here that private messages to multiple admins is not the correct way to raise this sort of request - it leads to duplicated effort on the part of admins who think that each of us is the only one who has received the request.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Agreed. If you wanted to contact any of us privately, well, most of us have email addresses right on the "Contact Us" page. There's also the "Email User" page. This game of anonymous messages in the board forums and user discussion pages, combined with your coy refusal to identify yourself just irritates everyone.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

Apologies for the confusion. Robkelk, I've just responded to your message reply, which I am sorry for not having noticed before.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The complaint raised in the message posted to my board was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. I have found this, this, and this that appear to be relevant to this complaint. As these are all records of chats between Molemanninethousand and GethN7, I assume that they present both sides of the issue at hand equally and without bias.

The first discussion linked above shows that GethN7 did not begin interactions with Molemanninethousand on this wiki with any intent to harass; in fact, GethN7 supported Molemanninethousand in that issue.

The second discussion shows that Molemanninethousand disagreed with how GethN7 was handling the effects on All The Tropes of a quarrel on Wikia. GethN7's final statement in that discussion appears to me to be the relevant one: "That said, we shall end this conversation, and if you are willing to do so and continue reporting any outside mischief instead of responding to it yourself, then your future here will be generally safe so long as you abide by all other rules as well."

The third discussion states why GethN7 instituted a permanent block on the Molemanninethousand account. In short, Molemanninethousand was taking actions that only an administrator should have been taking, and when called on this behaviour, attempted to dictate terms to an administrator.

Having gone over the evidence that I am able to find...

My responsibility is toward All The Tropes as a whole, not to Wikia or ED or any single user.

I am not happy about an interpersonal dispute from Wikia being brought over to All The Tropes, and I am not happy that this became the focus of the discussion. What happens on Wikia should stay on Wikia.

I will not go and read Molemanninethousand's ED page. What happens on Encyclopedia Dramatica should stay on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Again, the complaint was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. The evidence that I have seen is that Molemanninethousand was harassing GethN7... but that is not the issue here.

I find it ironic that somebody who complained about another user creating sockpuppet accounts should create a sockpuppet account in order to request the lifting of a permaban... but that is not the issue here.

The issue here is that Molemanninethousand's account was locked for vigilante action, which by definition put the safety of All The Tropes at risk.

I am not inclined to reverse the ban at this time. If another administrator chooses otherwise based on additional evidence, I will not object.

EDIT: At this time, I will not lock the ContactDummyAnon account as a duplicate of the Molemanninethousand account. However, once consensus is reached among the remaining administrators, I will suggest that the ContactDummyAnon account be locked. Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

While I am inclined to trust GethN7, I find that I've only seen these discussions about the actions taken by MM9K, and not the actions themselves. Does anyone have links handy to the relevant history entries so that I may see what happened for myself? Until I can do so, I am abstaining from offering a yea or nay opinion.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

That pic I posted showing why MM was banned was the tipping point.

MM is the undisputed king of "not letting things drop". If need be, I can send you tons of correspondence I have had with Wikia staff about his extensive history of ban evasion and general drama bombing there, and my unfortunate experience with him happen on our Wikia fork, and when I had to ban him there for causing a ton of disruption, he globally ban evaded no less than five times just to force me to change my mind, and since he was hellbent of defying global bans to get back onto Wikia, including outright lies to staff, using other people's accounts, and so on, I promised Wikia I would report him whenever I caught him, even if it didn't not directly involve me, especially since he deliberately decided to lie to Wikia staff members about the actions of other staff members in order to get his ban overturned (again, I have correspondence to prove this).

It is this he considers "harassment", despite the fact I was assisting Wikia staff in enforcing their own rules (which is encouraged and had their explicit approval), and as seen in the screenshot, you are supposed to attempt to get users who are breaking rules to cease doing so personally, then invoke staff if they prove recalcitrant.

It is as a result of doing so that led to him following me here and continuing to badger me, and since he stalked me across several wikis on Wikia to do the same, I was not about to risk a repeat.

That aside, his actual conduct here was not that offensive, and as you saw, I told him if he was willing to let things drop and not import offsite drama, his stay here was assured, but that step he was not willing to take, hence the banhammer.

FYI, the correspondence in question concerns emails to Wikia staff, which can be forwarded via Gmail if need be.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No need. What I've seen by now combined with ContactDummyAnon/MM9K's rather pathetic attempts to stalinize this discussion thread have provided me with all I need to support the continuing his ban, and expanding it to his alias.

Protip for you, MM9K: Attempting to hide the discussion as soon as evidence about your behavior was presented instantly prejudiced me against you. If you were in the right, you would never have done that.

Edit: Trying to hide the thread where the admins were actively debating your fate and casting their votes? Kinda dumb. You didn't think we'd notice? That with the thread hidden we'd magically forget? All you accomplished was turn the guy who was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt into a vote against you.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

I was hiding the thread to drop the issue and prevent it from being picked up on by trolls.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

I would prefer if it would be hidden again and considered resolved, for the same reason.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)


Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Is that "no" to hiding this thread, or "no" to considering it resolved?

If the thread is considered resolved as per the complainant's statement, then the "ContactDummyAnon" account no longer needs to remain active. As I stated earlier in this thread, Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

That's no to hiding it, and it was also "no" to considering it resolved until we heard from all admins. I agree that he has no need for two accounts.

ContactDummyAnon (talkcontribs)

At this point, I would like to discuss and divulge further relevant information, but in a completely private and safe venue, such as through personal emails.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I have no intention of handing out my personal email address.

I prefer to continue this discussion in public, where all correspondence is available to all future readers for independent verification.

If this is not acceptable to you, then you might want to find a different wiki where you would feel more comfortable.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

No Moleman, we don't disappear evidence here, we are transparency advocates, because rules apply to EVERYONE here. I even voluntarily surrendered my powers here for a time as punishment for having brought trouble to this place awhile back, and I would do so again because even I'm not above the rules.

If anything, you have proven to me blocking you was the correct decision, and that you have learned nothing from all the other times you decided you were above rules.

If you continue to act in this manner, this account will be blocked as well.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)


Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Labster has replied offline.

Since we have consensus, there is no longer any reason for Molemanninethousand to keep the ContactDummyAnon account active.


LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

SelfCloak marked two whole sets of subpages that you moved back in 2014/15 as unused redirects, I want to know whether you approve of such a deletion, considering you enabled the redirect option back then you moved them.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If they're genuinely unused, they're unnecessary. I leave the "create redirect" option turned on unless I know for a fact that nothing links to the original page name -- and I rarely check "What Links Here" when I move a page.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

is there any particular reason not to mark (defaultsort) etc as minor edits? Because without this, the recent edits list is almost unusable.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Because I don't think of it as a minor edit? I only flag as "minor" those edits with under 10 or 15 characters' worth of changes. And because I often make other changes -- layout tweaks, markup, stuff like that -- at the same time as I'm adding the Defaultsort, and only add those in the description when, again, it's more than a dozen characters' worth.