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A kitten for you!

For your hard work and dedication to ATT!

GethN7 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess... <grin> -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning up trope/work links, have my bot working on it now

I noticed you've been converting trope to work templates where appropriate by hand, just wanted to let you know I have my bot working on that now to help you out. GethN7 (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

That's good to hear. It's not like I've been aiming to do this, though -- I'm really just doing a random wikiwalk and fixing anything that I happen to spot. -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I know, and it's appreciated. However, I just discovered the categories (and some of their pages) I need to parse to fix everything are a horrible mess, so I plan to run a big bot job tomorrow to fix as much as I can find, so please refrain from fixing stuff randomly until I managed to get it all sorted out. It should take too long to fix everything (I estimate about a day or so if I can get everything compiled tonight), so I beg your indulgence for about that long. GethN7 (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, will do. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot has already handled most of the subpages, should be done getting a huge majority of the work pages by the end of today. I might have screwed up a few trope pages due to them sharing certain categories with work pages, but it should only be a couple dozen pages at worst and a quick revert/edit should fix the templates. GethN7 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Finished. I saved a log of all the pages that got changed and am planning on running one last bot in a day or two to fix the pages that should not have been marked with the work template, only this time I'm using a text files with the selected pages that need fixed since the categories method managed to bollix up several dozen pages, though the good news is that a massive chunk of the work pages have been fixed as well. GethN7 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's great to hear. I'll stay away from any furhter cleanup until you say things are done. -- Looney Toons (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot is done. GethN7 (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
We still have things it missed. I came across five or six, including The Ten Commandments, just in the last half hour or so. Looney Toons (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware. The work categories are so spread out and many are so intertwined with trope pages we'll probably have to fix the rest by hand. GethN7 (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
No prob. I'll start fixing them again, then. Looney Toons (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Double Redirects

I noticed a few of the page move you created resulted in double redirects (a redirect that redirects to another redirect). These can be easily fixed with a PHP script, so don't worry about undoing them, but if you want to avoid making more in the future, enable the "Highlight Redirects" gadget in your user preferences. This will mark all links that are redirects with a pink overlay, and if you click preview before creating a redirect with that gadget enabled and the preview shows your new link is also a redirect, that's a double redirect. GethN7 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I knew a couple of my changes would be causing them, but was planning on using the Double Redirects page to fix them. However, it doesn't appear to refresh often (can we change that?), so I had resigned myself to waiting until it did to correct the problems. Looney Toons (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, no. Due to the amount of information we have on our database, the Orain staff activated "Miser Mode", which keep our database from crapping out when running most special pages and puts a cap on the refresh periods to avoid server slowdown. However, as I said, all the double redirects can be easily resolved by my asking the Orain staff to run a very simple PHP script that will automatically clean up any double redirects. GethN7 (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. Looney Toons (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Plans to add all ATT specific templates to their own category and some other fixes

I'm keeping track of all RCs, so don't worry about adding any of this yourself, but I'll be adding all ATT specific templates to their own category so we can better keep track of them, and I'll also be implementing a preloaded page template system for new pages as well.

I also have moved the spoiler code to being a toggable gadget in user preferences, as mentioned on the DW forums. Let me know if you have any issues with it not mentioned on the forums.

GethN7 (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I can add your new template with a bot

I can mass add that creator template with a bot to save you some trouble if you want. GethN7 (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Got your message. When we've decided what we're going to do, either Gethbot or Dai-Guard can mass add that template if you need it. GethN7 (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Looney Toons/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Summary by Looney Toons

No big deal

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the advice on Drink Order, but actually, that was a typo. (I really shouldn't post stuff before having caffeine in the morning, Lol.)

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Oh, no problem, and that wasn't really aimed at you specifically. I just spend too much time fixing that type of thing -- both recent changes and stuff inherited from TVT. Sorry if my frustration creeps into the edit summary from time to time.

What exactly needs yet to be changed in Cuphead.

Summary by Looney Toons

No longer relevant - entire page was deleted as copyright violation and restarted from scratch.

HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl (talkcontribs)

I already redid everything I saw it needed change, what are your suggestions?

I said that you need to check the History on the TV Tropes versions of pages before deleting stuff

New XanderMartin98 (talkcontribs)

On Polluted Wasteland: I was the original creator of literally all of the entries that you just deleted (the Chrono Trigger one, the Wario Land 4 one, and the Ratchet & Clank one).

On Earthworm Jim (video game): It takes quite a bit of Ctrl + F digging to find the proof of this, but I was the original creator of the Half The Man He Used To Be entry.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Can you in the future please note that you are the original author in the edit summary any time you copy your own work? If you're changing your TVT handle so frequently to evade bans -- and I trust we're not going to have to worry about that here, right? -- how can you expect us to associate you with those edits if the whole idea from the start was to keep anyone from associating you with those edits? If anything, take the fact that I pinged you on copyright violation as an indication of how well you succeeded at that.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Edit on Stupid Evil

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

About the edit to my edit in the Film section, yeah, I know the rule about whole-example spoilers, but I kind of figured a movie like The Cabin in the Woods - where it's hard to say anything at all about the plot without giving away a spoiler - might be an exception. But hey, if you say so.

Summary by Looney Toons

Spoiled narcissist flounces off in a huff when asked to behave like a grown-up.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

I've already gave you messages about this.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Infinite (talkcontribs)

No, but I thought that if I reverted your edits it would start edit war because I undo an admin's edits.

And you reverted those edits just a little after or before I were blocked, I recognize my behavior was bad and I apology for my that and breaking the rules, but don't dwarf things please.


Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You want reassurance? You may go ahead and recreate your contribution. I will not consider it edit-warring with me.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Thanks, and I apology for my previous behavior.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I had undone the undoings before seeing this discussion, with the reason "Just because it isn't canon for the games doesn't change the fact that is it canon for the comics - and it's clearly marked as such." My apologies.

If there was a different reason to remove the text that you removed, please mention that reason in your edit. I will not treat that as edit-warring with me if you give that reason.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Because darkstalkers IS A VIDEOGAME.

Did you read the comics? Then you'll know why having that information in the videogame's page is wrong, specially considering the "benevolent" part, since in those comics they are portrayed as malevolent and evil succubus, basically like any other succubus in history.

In fact, how can you exactly need a "reason"? Being canon to the comics means nothing because darkstalkers is a videogame and the comics are only a non-canon adaptation, if anything that information should be given in the comics' tropes place and be informed it's an adaptation and not something official with the story.

The joker died in batman's movie, so why the joker keeps appearing alive in other movies, videogames or more batman's media? Because it's something it only happened in a non-canon source, not a original source like the comics would be. That's why the information and the tropes that referenced his death are only applied to the movie.

Darkstalkers is a videogame, not a comic, and capcom have done good confirming only the games' events and facts are canon, just like morrigan being a descendant of Morgan Le fay is something the cartoon came with, the whole eternal bliss thing is just stuff the UDON crew came along making Morrigan and Lilith evil monsters, nothing that happens in the comics can be related to the games and for so the official characters and their lore.

For Morrigan and Lilith specially, since the comics basically take only their names and race, their characters there heavily contradict what Capcom made them to be.

I'm saying this mostly because I hate those versions of the characters, but also because it's something that should be obvious giving most adaptations or media are given tropes specifically to those sources rather than the original cause the original does not play those tropes.

I mean, do you realize how having that information as official in the videogames' folder contradicts a lot of tropes applied to both Morrigan and Lilith, right?

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Come on dude, how it can be I even need to explain you this.

There was an American Darkstalkers cartoon, and they explicitly kept Morrigan's species. She even drained somebody, although it was just by kissing him.- This is from the darkstalkers cartoon, which is why it is written in the cartoon's folder.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Come on dude, how it can be I even need to explain you this.

You're assuming that I watched the cartoon, or read the comic books. I haven't. Nor do I have time to read and watch everything described here - nobody does.

All I have to go on is what's written on the wiki... and if people don't write reasons for deletions, then I have nothing to go on. Random deletions without reasons are a sign of wiki vandalism - and without edit reasons, your edits look random.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Well, I did said the comics aren't canon, but you reverted them saying it doesn't matter if they are canon or not but are marked as such, I didn't really understand what you meant there.

Anyway, that would be my reason.

I'm not assuming nothing since I listed that as my reason and you still reverted it, you are the one who asked for reasons, I just answered.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Tone down the arrogance, Infinite, you're starting to tread close to a rule 1 violation again. Rob posted his initial message to apologize for his edit -- screaming at him because he doesn't have your level of knowledge on an obscure (and by mainstream standards it is very obscure) franchise is a dick move. We have some 35,000 different works documented here, if not more, and nobody can be expert on them all. Show a little grace, accept that we're not stomping on your edits, and be grateful you weren't thrown out on your ear the last time -- because we probably won't be as generous the next time.

And before you demand to know why I'm putting my two cents' worth in, remember that you're being an ass on my talk page, in a conversation you started with me.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

You know what? I'm done with this. I don't know what kind of education you have or what are your standards on what "obscure or ass" is, but I'm not making any "dick move".

Even if I was rude or whatever, he asked me for reasons, I gave them my reasons, so sorry if I was so rude delivering an answer.

I remind you I only started this to avoid a very expected edit-war if I just reverted your edits, I care about giving accurate information and I like to edit, but if you are going to act like hurt victims whenever I sightly rise my voice to give an answer or a opinion you better just perma-block me right now.

I see apologizing and trying to talk wasn't grace, and threaten me won't make me give any of you more respect, he asked me for reasons and I gave him reasons, maybe I went too far or whatever but I'm not assuming nothing either, just giving what I was asked.

If anyone is arrogant here Looney, I'm afraid it's you.

I apology for the trouble I've gave you, if you want, revert my edits again as revenge.

Goodbye, I enjoyed my time here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry you feel that way. We're not so petty that we will revert your changes out of "revenge", because choosing to leave the wiki isn't something to take revenge on. Nor will we ban you or otherwise penalize your account. We're not TVT, after all.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Hey, how do I add the "fair use" license when I have accidents and upload pics forget to click the button. And how do I delete an image if I forget.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)


Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
I said I'm realistic!
J'ai dit que je suis réaliste!
¡Dije que soy realista!
Eu disse que sou realista!
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I'm just letting ya know that I didn't link Bulbapedia when I added "The Wiki Rule" part to the Pokemon's trivia section, instead I link other wikis that are worthy. It's because I found out long ago, that BulbaGarden is not safe for kids, my sources are an outdated Encyclopedia Dramatica page that's still relevant to this day and a Mister Metokur vid:

Don't forget to tell the other higher ups, if they ask.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I feel like that would be a slightly better name for the category as opposed to just "Magical Minority Person", but I'm not sure if it actually would be. What's your call there?

Also, I was thinking of helping out and moving the contents of the Magical Minority Person page to the category as well. That fine?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Actually, I'm already in the middle of that myself.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I noticed, thought I could help speed it along and save you a bit of work. If not, that's fine. Still wondering about your stance on the category question (Magical Minority Person v. Magical Minority Tropes).

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I don't see anything wrong with it personally, but I'd poll the other admins (and users) before doing anything just to be sure. Put up a message in the forums and if no one comments in a day or so ping the Admins directly, at least.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Sure thing, thank you.

Summary by Looney Toons

More than a couple of answers.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
  • When describing a roleplay that has long since been abandoned, would Aborted Arc be apropos, or is there something that more specifically covers that scenario?
  • Is it possible to customize the starting number for numbered lists?
  • Can the {{tropelist}} template be edited to include a customized statement introducing the tropes section?
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In order:

1. I suppose, but it's really for stories that just drop a storyline and start something else without resolving it
2. Not that we've been able to find.
3. If you do something like
{{tropelist|This is the text I want to appear instead of the regular stuff.}}
you'll get
This is the text I want to appear instead of the regular stuff.

If you actually go to the template page, it displays complete documentation on this and other options for using it.
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Thank you very much. I'll make a note to check template pages for documentation from now on.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

As a continuation of the first subject, what trope(s) would be recommended for defunct sites and the like?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Not every template has useful documentation, but it never hurts to check.

We have a special template for websites and web-only works that have completely disappeared, without even a Wayback Machine record -- {{MIA}}. Put that at the top of the page, right under the page type template.

For fan works that simply stopped and never finished up properly, we have Dead Fic. There's no reason you can't pothole that with more appropriate text.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Great! Thanks again!

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Out of curiosity, I decided to check out one of the pages that was being subjected to large edits in the Recent Changes section. The trivia section of one of the articles struck me as vaguely familiar-looking, so I decided to double check it against the TVTropes section, and while a lot of the ATT side seems to have been at least written differently, at least two of the tropes (Beam Me Up Scotty and Development Gag) seem to have been copied wholesale from the current version of their page, as it reads the same word for word. From my understanding of the Copyrights page, this would not be considered acceptable. Would this constitute something to look into, by ATT's standard?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It would indeed. We'll have to track down who added those two and warn them after deleting the entries form the page.


Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Not a problem. I'll let you know if I happen upon anything else of the sort.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Found out who it was, and found they did it again on their most recent edit a few minutes ago.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Duly noted, thank you.