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For your hard work and dedication to ATT!

GethN7 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess... <grin> -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning up trope/work links, have my bot working on it now

I noticed you've been converting trope to work templates where appropriate by hand, just wanted to let you know I have my bot working on that now to help you out. GethN7 (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

That's good to hear. It's not like I've been aiming to do this, though -- I'm really just doing a random wikiwalk and fixing anything that I happen to spot. -- Looney Toons (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I know, and it's appreciated. However, I just discovered the categories (and some of their pages) I need to parse to fix everything are a horrible mess, so I plan to run a big bot job tomorrow to fix as much as I can find, so please refrain from fixing stuff randomly until I managed to get it all sorted out. It should take too long to fix everything (I estimate about a day or so if I can get everything compiled tonight), so I beg your indulgence for about that long. GethN7 (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, will do. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot has already handled most of the subpages, should be done getting a huge majority of the work pages by the end of today. I might have screwed up a few trope pages due to them sharing certain categories with work pages, but it should only be a couple dozen pages at worst and a quick revert/edit should fix the templates. GethN7 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Finished. I saved a log of all the pages that got changed and am planning on running one last bot in a day or two to fix the pages that should not have been marked with the work template, only this time I'm using a text files with the selected pages that need fixed since the categories method managed to bollix up several dozen pages, though the good news is that a massive chunk of the work pages have been fixed as well. GethN7 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That's great to hear. I'll stay away from any furhter cleanup until you say things are done. -- Looney Toons (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
My bot is done. GethN7 (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
We still have things it missed. I came across five or six, including The Ten Commandments, just in the last half hour or so. Looney Toons (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware. The work categories are so spread out and many are so intertwined with trope pages we'll probably have to fix the rest by hand. GethN7 (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
No prob. I'll start fixing them again, then. Looney Toons (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Double Redirects

I noticed a few of the page move you created resulted in double redirects (a redirect that redirects to another redirect). These can be easily fixed with a PHP script, so don't worry about undoing them, but if you want to avoid making more in the future, enable the "Highlight Redirects" gadget in your user preferences. This will mark all links that are redirects with a pink overlay, and if you click preview before creating a redirect with that gadget enabled and the preview shows your new link is also a redirect, that's a double redirect. GethN7 (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I knew a couple of my changes would be causing them, but was planning on using the Double Redirects page to fix them. However, it doesn't appear to refresh often (can we change that?), so I had resigned myself to waiting until it did to correct the problems. Looney Toons (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Sadly, no. Due to the amount of information we have on our database, the Orain staff activated "Miser Mode", which keep our database from crapping out when running most special pages and puts a cap on the refresh periods to avoid server slowdown. However, as I said, all the double redirects can be easily resolved by my asking the Orain staff to run a very simple PHP script that will automatically clean up any double redirects. GethN7 (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. Looney Toons (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Plans to add all ATT specific templates to their own category and some other fixes

I'm keeping track of all RCs, so don't worry about adding any of this yourself, but I'll be adding all ATT specific templates to their own category so we can better keep track of them, and I'll also be implementing a preloaded page template system for new pages as well.

I also have moved the spoiler code to being a toggable gadget in user preferences, as mentioned on the DW forums. Let me know if you have any issues with it not mentioned on the forums.

GethN7 (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I can add your new template with a bot

I can mass add that creator template with a bot to save you some trouble if you want. GethN7 (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Got your message. When we've decided what we're going to do, either Gethbot or Dai-Guard can mass add that template if you need it. GethN7 (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Looney Toons/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

I've already gave you messages about this.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Infinite (talkcontribs)

No, but I thought that if I reverted your edits it would start edit war because I undo an admin's edits.

And you reverted those edits just a little after or before I were blocked, I recognize my behavior was bad and I apology for my that and breaking the rules, but don't dwarf things please.

"Rollback"

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You want reassurance? You may go ahead and recreate your contribution. I will not consider it edit-warring with me.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Thanks, and I apology for my previous behavior.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I had undone the undoings before seeing this discussion, with the reason "Just because it isn't canon for the games doesn't change the fact that is it canon for the comics - and it's clearly marked as such." My apologies.

If there was a different reason to remove the text that you removed, please mention that reason in your edit. I will not treat that as edit-warring with me if you give that reason.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Because darkstalkers IS A VIDEOGAME.

Did you read the comics? Then you'll know why having that information in the videogame's page is wrong, specially considering the "benevolent" part, since in those comics they are portrayed as malevolent and evil succubus, basically like any other succubus in history.

In fact, how can you exactly need a "reason"? Being canon to the comics means nothing because darkstalkers is a videogame and the comics are only a non-canon adaptation, if anything that information should be given in the comics' tropes place and be informed it's an adaptation and not something official with the story.

The joker died in batman's movie, so why the joker keeps appearing alive in other movies, videogames or more batman's media? Because it's something it only happened in a non-canon source, not a original source like the comics would be. That's why the information and the tropes that referenced his death are only applied to the movie.

Darkstalkers is a videogame, not a comic, and capcom have done good confirming only the games' events and facts are canon, just like morrigan being a descendant of Morgan Le fay is something the cartoon came with, the whole eternal bliss thing is just stuff the UDON crew came along making Morrigan and Lilith evil monsters, nothing that happens in the comics can be related to the games and for so the official characters and their lore.

For Morrigan and Lilith specially, since the comics basically take only their names and race, their characters there heavily contradict what Capcom made them to be.

I'm saying this mostly because I hate those versions of the characters, but also because it's something that should be obvious giving most adaptations or media are given tropes specifically to those sources rather than the original cause the original does not play those tropes.

I mean, do you realize how having that information as official in the videogames' folder contradicts a lot of tropes applied to both Morrigan and Lilith, right?

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Come on dude, how it can be I even need to explain you this.

There was an American Darkstalkers cartoon, and they explicitly kept Morrigan's species. She even drained somebody, although it was just by kissing him.- This is from the darkstalkers cartoon, which is why it is written in the cartoon's folder.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Come on dude, how it can be I even need to explain you this.

You're assuming that I watched the cartoon, or read the comic books. I haven't. Nor do I have time to read and watch everything described here - nobody does.

All I have to go on is what's written on the wiki... and if people don't write reasons for deletions, then I have nothing to go on. Random deletions without reasons are a sign of wiki vandalism - and without edit reasons, your edits look random.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

Well, I did said the comics aren't canon, but you reverted them saying it doesn't matter if they are canon or not but are marked as such, I didn't really understand what you meant there.

Anyway, that would be my reason.

I'm not assuming nothing since I listed that as my reason and you still reverted it, you are the one who asked for reasons, I just answered.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Tone down the arrogance, Infinite, you're starting to tread close to a rule 1 violation again. Rob posted his initial message to apologize for his edit -- screaming at him because he doesn't have your level of knowledge on an obscure (and by mainstream standards it is very obscure) franchise is a dick move. We have some 35,000 different works documented here, if not more, and nobody can be expert on them all. Show a little grace, accept that we're not stomping on your edits, and be grateful you weren't thrown out on your ear the last time -- because we probably won't be as generous the next time.

And before you demand to know why I'm putting my two cents' worth in, remember that you're being an ass on my talk page, in a conversation you started with me.

Infinite (talkcontribs)

You know what? I'm done with this. I don't know what kind of education you have or what are your standards on what "obscure or ass" is, but I'm not making any "dick move".

Even if I was rude or whatever, he asked me for reasons, I gave them my reasons, so sorry if I was so rude delivering an answer.

I remind you I only started this to avoid a very expected edit-war if I just reverted your edits, I care about giving accurate information and I like to edit, but if you are going to act like hurt victims whenever I sightly rise my voice to give an answer or a opinion you better just perma-block me right now.

I see apologizing and trying to talk wasn't grace, and threaten me won't make me give any of you more respect, he asked me for reasons and I gave him reasons, maybe I went too far or whatever but I'm not assuming nothing either, just giving what I was asked.

If anyone is arrogant here Looney, I'm afraid it's you.

I apology for the trouble I've gave you, if you want, revert my edits again as revenge.

Goodbye, I enjoyed my time here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry you feel that way. We're not so petty that we will revert your changes out of "revenge", because choosing to leave the wiki isn't something to take revenge on. Nor will we ban you or otherwise penalize your account. We're not TVT, after all.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Hey, how do I add the "fair use" license when I have accidents and upload pics forget to click the button. And how do I delete an image if I forget.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)

Thanks/Merci.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
I said I'm realistic!
J'ai dit que je suis réaliste!
¡Dije que soy realista!
Eu disse que sou realista!
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I'm just letting ya know that I didn't link Bulbapedia when I added "The Wiki Rule" part to the Pokemon's trivia section, instead I link other wikis that are worthy. It's because I found out long ago, that BulbaGarden is not safe for kids, my sources are an outdated Encyclopedia Dramatica page that's still relevant to this day and a Mister Metokur vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY1SYvZfcuA

Don't forget to tell the other higher ups, if they ask.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I feel like that would be a slightly better name for the category as opposed to just "Magical Minority Person", but I'm not sure if it actually would be. What's your call there?

Also, I was thinking of helping out and moving the contents of the Magical Minority Person page to the category as well. That fine?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Actually, I'm already in the middle of that myself.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I noticed, thought I could help speed it along and save you a bit of work. If not, that's fine. Still wondering about your stance on the category question (Magical Minority Person v. Magical Minority Tropes).

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I don't see anything wrong with it personally, but I'd poll the other admins (and users) before doing anything just to be sure. Put up a message in the forums and if no one comments in a day or so ping the Admins directly, at least.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Sure thing, thank you.

Summary by Looney Toons

More than a couple of answers.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
  • When describing a roleplay that has long since been abandoned, would Aborted Arc be apropos, or is there something that more specifically covers that scenario?
  • Is it possible to customize the starting number for numbered lists?
  • Can the {{tropelist}} template be edited to include a customized statement introducing the tropes section?
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In order:

1. I suppose, but it's really for stories that just drop a storyline and start something else without resolving it
2. Not that we've been able to find.
3. If you do something like
{{tropelist|This is the text I want to appear instead of the regular stuff.}}
you'll get
This is the text I want to appear instead of the regular stuff.


If you actually go to the template page, it displays complete documentation on this and other options for using it.
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Thank you very much. I'll make a note to check template pages for documentation from now on.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

As a continuation of the first subject, what trope(s) would be recommended for defunct sites and the like?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Not every template has useful documentation, but it never hurts to check.

We have a special template for websites and web-only works that have completely disappeared, without even a Wayback Machine record -- {{MIA}}. Put that at the top of the page, right under the page type template.

For fan works that simply stopped and never finished up properly, we have Dead Fic. There's no reason you can't pothole that with more appropriate text.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Great! Thanks again!

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Out of curiosity, I decided to check out one of the pages that was being subjected to large edits in the Recent Changes section. The trivia section of one of the articles struck me as vaguely familiar-looking, so I decided to double check it against the TVTropes section, and while a lot of the ATT side seems to have been at least written differently, at least two of the tropes (Beam Me Up Scotty and Development Gag) seem to have been copied wholesale from the current version of their page, as it reads the same word for word. From my understanding of the Copyrights page, this would not be considered acceptable. Would this constitute something to look into, by ATT's standard?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It would indeed. We'll have to track down who added those two and warn them after deleting the entries form the page.

Thanks!

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Not a problem. I'll let you know if I happen upon anything else of the sort.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Found out who it was, and found they did it again on their most recent edit a few minutes ago.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Duly noted, thank you.

SocialProfile editing broken

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Summary by Looney Toons

Yeah, we know.

Derivative (talkcontribs)
Derivative (talkcontribs)

Also it seems to have memoryholed my normal wiki user page

Adding "anime" and then "multiple works need separate pages" to the Shigatsu page

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HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl (talkcontribs)

Tell me, why didn't you create the page for the anime already instead of doing that?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Because your original text included "and it also got: a 22-episodes anime series in 2014-2015, an OAV in 2105, a light novel, a live-action film and a stage play." You were the one who originally mentioned that it was also an anime; all I did was add a category. Well, two. (And I could have added more.) Do not see this as a criticism of your contribution or a demand that you do more, but rather an attempt to head off the nigh-inevitable accumulation of anime details on the manga page.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

Summary by Looney Toons

Nobody's stumped about this any more.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

...I have no memory of that at all. I cannot imagine why I did that.

Even weirder... those two edits are not in my personal contributions history. When I looked to see what context I did that in, I find my listed edits go directly from "18:29, August 29, 2019" to "08:24, August 30, 2019":

and both those edits happened at "21:07, August 29, 2018". In fact, I know for a fact I was playing RWBY Combat Ready with Peggy, Helen and Attila at seven after nine PM on Thursday night.

Something hinky is going on. I've reverted those two edits and changed my password, and I suggest that if you see any more dubious edits by me you immediately contact me about them on the DW forums. I'm CC'ing the other admins on this so that those with actual technical skill with the wiki might be implored to look in its guts and tell me why those edits are invisible to me on my contributions history... and how they happened in the first place.

EDIT: I haven't gotten there in my post-holiday review of Recent Changes, but I'm very curious what else might have been edited at 21:07 on Thursday night...

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

... and because the wiki is throwing a "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" error at me when I try to edit that post, let me just note here that I haven't gotten there yet in my post-holiday review of Recent Changes, but now I'm very curious to see what else might have been edited at 21:07 on Thursday night...

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

...and I just discovered I'm already well past that point, and Recent Changes will not show me enough changes to roll back to that period. Is there another way to look at change history more than 1000 entries past?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Considering that these changes are from 2018, I suspect Recent Changes is the wrong tool for the job. @Labster, do you know of a better tool to see edits on a particular day?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

<facepalm> No wonder I don't remember making the edit on Thursday. I missed the year entirely. I plead exhaustion -- I got entirely too little sleep over the last three days, thanks to my wife's family.

I'm still curious, but now I'm not thinking someone somehow hijacked my account anymore.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, knowing now that I'm looking at changes made a year ago, I can actually set the offset for my personal contributions page to zoom right in on that date. I can see that at the time (+/- 10 minutes) I was tagging pages with both "This Index Asked You a Question" and "Esoteric Trope Names". When I was doing that kind of thing last year I often had the category name on my clipboard and I pasted it into HotCat. I'll bet I misremembered what I'd had on the clipboard at that point -- especially since the last category I set right before those two was "Esoteric Trope Names".

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Yeah, we've all done that.

Thanks for clearing things up!

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Yo, Looney, I found out last week or so that not all of the articles have their proper categories, the major one was that not all of our organically made articles are part of the "Pages Original to All The Tropes." Now I'm kinda doing a sort of extreme backtracking on my end on the pages that I made to check if they're properly there.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Yeah, we only added that category to our page templates a couple years after first using it. Be careful, though -- we recreated a number of pages deleted by TVT in the first couple years after getting up and running; just because the first entry in the history isn't a notice that it was imported from the fork data doesn't mean the page isn't from TVT.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I stay away from the ones that said "Imported from TVT"., when adding the "POtATT."

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm saying that some that don't say that are still from TVT. But it should usually be noted in the history that it was a restoration and not an original page.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

So, how do I know if one's a restoration and which ones are organically made? I thought I was in the clear when checking the pages' history and seeing if it said "Created".

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Like I just said, it should be noted in the history, with something like "Recreated/restored from the Wayback Machine" in one of the first comments. It's not always from the Wayback machine, but surely you can figure it out when you read it.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In particular, be careful of anything in the category Banned On TV Tropes. Those pages are very likely to be recreations of TVT content and not original to us. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Ah, I was about to asked ya if the "Banned" articles count. Looks like I'll avoid that category, due to knowing that I'll have a high chance of accidents.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Oh! One more thing -- any page with an initial entry reading something like "created with items transplanted from X" probably shouldn't be tagged as original to us; it's very likely the content is from TVT, it's just been moved to a new page.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Okay. I'll try to be more careful.